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Stating what's obvious.

travelinman67 wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... udy-shows/

Stating what's obvious.

Tbag, can I come live with you?

"...a new study by the Austin Institute for the Study of Family and Culture."



Please look up the history of this "institute" and some of the other "research" it's posted.

∞∞∞ wrote:"...a new study by the Austin Institute for the Study of Family and Culture."



Please look up the history of this "institute" and some of the other "research" it's posted.

No shit. It's like the Family Research Council.

D1B wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... udy-shows/

Stating what's obvious.

Tbag, can I come live with you?

Please download a tenancy application from:
http://notafrozenchanceinhell.chump.com ... gthere.pdf

I'll require a reference letter from Father Hurtz and proof of current rabies vaccination.

kalm wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote:"...a new study by the Austin Institute for the Study of Family and Culture."



Please look up the history of this "institute" and some of the other "research" it's posted.

No ****. It's like the Family Research Council.

That's child abuse.

regardless of the predetermined outcome of the research group...

Faith - Accepting of the unknown - belief in a power greater than ones self - open to the possibilities

These things ^ are the center point from which one can launch genuine happiness
I'm not talking about the blatant stupidity of the Bible - but it'll work in a pinch - if you're the kind that needs to be told what to think...

No, what I'm talking about is admitting "we don't know sh!t" and letting go
and rejoicing in the miraculousness of this whole thing - it is a miracle
I could go on and on but suffice to say: I believe that study is on the right track

Spiritual people are happier than religious people.

Ivytalk wrote:

kalm wrote:
No ****. It's like the Family Research Council.

That's child abuse.

Yeah. Why don't the idiots just leave her with a priest, instead.

Ivytalk wrote:

kalm wrote:
No ****. It's like the Family Research Council.

That's child abuse.

So it's better to believe than to be kind, charitable, and good.

kalm wrote:
So it's better to believe than to be kind, charitable, and good.

That is for each person to decide for themselves..

Merry Christmas and Happy holidays

Chizzang wrote:

kalm wrote:
So it's better to believe than to be kind, charitable, and good.

That is for each person to decide for themselves..

Merry Christmas and Happy holidays

So it's not necessarily child abuse? Thank God!

kalm wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: That's child abuse.

So it's better to believe than to be kind, charitable, and good.

Be both.

Be happy.

travelinman67 wrote:

kalm wrote:
So it's better to believe than to be kind, charitable, and good.

Be both.

Be happy.

What if you just wonder instead of believe?

Can you still be happy and good?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PN5JJDh78I[/youtube]

kalm wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:
Be both.

Be happy.

What if you just wonder instead of believe?

Can you still be happy and good?

Re-read Hippie's remarks:

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 59#p945138

Understanding you are not master of your dominion is key. Egoism is a dealbreaker.

travelinman67 wrote:

kalm wrote:
What if you just wonder instead of believe?

Can you still be happy and good?

Re-read Hippie's remarks:

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 59#p945138

Understanding you are not master of your dominion is key. Egoism is a dealbreaker.

Wrong, Dipshit.

travelinman67 wrote:

kalm wrote:
What if you just wonder instead of believe?

Can you still be happy and good?

Re-read Hippie's remarks:

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 59#p945138

Understanding you are not master of your dominion is key. Egoism is a dealbreaker.

I liked Hippie's remarks and I agree with yours here. But I think you might be just as inclined towards happiness and good being filled with wonderment at the nature that surrounds you here on earth and the immensity of the universe beyond without "religion".

I think Hippie might suggest this can still lead to a belief in God but I'm not sure the authors of your study would. I see egoism and the desire to master over your domaine just as present if not more so in the "religious" as I do in the non-religious. Or, as Gil suggests, spiritual people are happier than religious people.

kalm wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:
Re-read Hippie's remarks:

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 59#p945138

Understanding you are not master of your dominion is key. Egoism is a dealbreaker.

I liked Hippie's remarks and I agree with yours here. But I think you might be just as inclined towards happiness and good being filled with wonderment at the nature that surrounds you here on earth and the immensity of the universe beyond without "religion".

I think Hippie might suggest this can still lead to a belief in God but I'm not sure the authors of your study would. I see egoism and the desire to master over your domaine just as present if not more so in the "religious" as I do in the non-religious. Or, as Gil suggests, spiritual people are happier than religious people.

The issue is scope. What does "spirituality" encompass?

Does the "wonderment" retain breadth inclusive of submission to a greater power? Complete open-mindedness?

...Or is it limited by ego?

My opinion, but most atheists are incapable of a "spirituality" that envisions a God other than themself.

travelinman67 wrote:

kalm wrote:
I liked Hippie's remarks and I agree with yours here. But I think you might be just as inclined towards happiness and good being filled with wonderment at the nature that surrounds you here on earth and the immensity of the universe beyond without "religion".

I think Hippie might suggest this can still lead to a belief in God but I'm not sure the authors of your study
would. I see egoism and the desire to master over your domaine just as present if not more so in the "religious" as I do in the non-religious. Or, as Gil suggests, spiritual people are happier than religious people.

The issue is scope. What does "spirituality" encompass?

Does the "wonderment" retain breadth inclusive of submission to a greater power? Complete open-mindedness?

...Or is it limited by ego?

My opinion, but most atheists are incapable of a "spirituality" that envisions a God other than themself.

I've met a number of professed atheists who are capable of altruistic behavior, some of whom actually help the needy without expecting a reward, but I can't say any of them are spiritual.

Ivytalk wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:
The issue is scope. What does "spirituality" encompass?

Does the "wonderment" retain breadth inclusive of submission to a greater power? Complete open-mindedness?

...Or is it limited by ego?

My opinion, but most atheists are incapable of a "spirituality" that envisions a God other than themself.

I've met a number of professed atheists who are capable of altruistic behavior, some of whom actually help the needy without expecting a reward, but I can't say any of them are spiritual.

I think that describes many of them.

The question, then, is why does altruistic behavior make people happy? That drive seems to contradict the idea that we act in a biologically-driven need to protect ourselves, and the exploration of that question, and efforts to answer it, might lead many to a surprising place.

JoltinJoe wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
I've met a number of professed atheists who are capable of altruistic behavior, some of whom actually help the needy without expecting a reward, but I can't say any of them are spiritual.

I think that describes many of them.

The question, then, is why does altruistic behavior make people happy? That drive seems to contradict the idea that we act in a biologically-driven need to protect ourselves, and the exploration of that question, and efforts to answer it, might lead many to a surprising place.

I agree. The "Golden Rule" has been a cornerstone of moral philosophy for thousands of years, and it has strong religious roots (by no means exclusively Christian, either). Spirituality requires some innate sense of the concept of "the divine," whatever form that takes.

JoltinJoe wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
I've met a number of professed atheists who are capable of altruistic behavior, some of whom actually help the needy without expecting a reward, but I can't say any of them are spiritual.

I think that describes many of them.

The question, then, is why does altruistic behavior make people happy? That drive seems to contradict the idea that we act in a biologically-driven need to protect ourselves, and the exploration of that question, and efforts to answer it, might lead many to a surprising place.

I don't disagree, but does it have to lead to organized religion or a defined deity? This is why I'm not an atheist.

Chizzang wrote:
No, what I'm talking about is admitting "we don't know sh!t" and letting go
and rejoicing in the miraculousness of this whole thing - it is a miracle
I could go on and on but suffice to say: I believe that study is on the right track

Science-hating Creationist.

kalm wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
I think that describes many of them.

The question, then, is why does altruistic behavior make people happy? That drive seems to contradict the idea that we act in a biologically-driven need to protect ourselves, and the exploration of that question, and efforts to answer it, might lead many to a surprising place.

I don't disagree, but does it have to lead to organized religion or a defined deity? This is why I'm not an atheist.

Organized religion plays no role. Nor does the "deity" require "definition".

The mere acceptance of a "force" greater than humanity's capacity to understand satisfies the element of "submission".

Re:Ivytalk's altruism observation...I would argue that altruism is as much a survival instinct as "bioligically driven self-protection" (akin to "pack protection").

Pwns wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
No, what I'm talking about is admitting "we don't know sh!t" and letting go
and rejoicing in the miraculousness of this whole thing - it is a miracle
I could go on and on but suffice to say: I believe that study is on the right track

Science-hating Creationist.

Admitting we don't know anything is my way of saying:
We need more science and more actual knowledge more actual discovery
Each generation of humans can stand on the shoulders of the previous and learn more

Instead of the end of learning like the Bible commands - all the answers within here lie - blah blah blah

Each generation can establish new goals and knowledge replacing the old gibberish and nonsense

In short:
we don't know sh!t
Everything I see looks like a damn miracle
Fear not that inner feeling we are all built with that yearns for a higher power - accept it - Love it

Its the greatest feeling of all that I experience on a daily basis
and it has ZERO to do with a Bible or an Iron Age Myth