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Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:28 am
by Baldy
Rural hospitals in critical condition
RICHLAND, Ga. — Stewart-Webster Hospital had only 25 beds when it still treated patients. The rural hospital served this small town of 1,400 residents and those in the surrounding farms and crossroads for more than six decades.
But since the hospital closed in the spring of last year, many of those in need have to travel up to 40 miles to other hospitals. That's roughly the same distance it takes to get from Times Square to Greenwich, Conn., or from the White House to Baltimore, or from downtown San Francisco to San Jose.
Those trips would be unthinkable for city residents, but it's becoming a common way of life for many rural residents in this state, and across the nation.
Since the beginning of 2010, 43 rural hospitals — with a total of more than 1,500 beds — have closed, according to data from the North Carolina Rural Health Research Program. The pace of closures has quickened: from 3 in 2010 to 13 in 2013, and 12 already this year. Georgia alone has lost five rural hospitals since 2012, and at least six more are teetering on the brink of collapse. Each of the state's closed hospitals served about 10,000 people — a lot for remaining area hospitals to absorb.
The Affordable Care Act was designed to improve access to health care for all Americans and will give them another chance at getting health insurance during open enrollment starting this Saturday. But critics say the ACA is also accelerating the demise of rural outposts that cater to many of society's most vulnerable. These hospitals treat some of the sickest and poorest patients — those least aware of how to stay healthy. Hospital officials contend that the law's penalties for having to re-admit patients soon after they're released are impossible to avoid and create a crushing burden.
"The stand-alone, community hospital is going the way of the dinosaur," says Angela Mattie, chairwoman of the health care management and organizational leadership department at Connecticut's Quinnipiac University, known for its public opinion surveys on issues including public health.
Rural hospitals closing, health professionals losing jobs, the poor and elderly losing access to health care, doctors closing private practices, consolidating auxiliary providers. All this is jon's definition of a resounding success.

Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:45 am
by kalm
Baldy wrote:Rural hospitals in critical condition
RICHLAND, Ga. — Stewart-Webster Hospital had only 25 beds when it still treated patients. The rural hospital served this small town of 1,400 residents and those in the surrounding farms and crossroads for more than six decades.
But since the hospital closed in the spring of last year, many of those in need have to travel up to 40 miles to other hospitals. That's roughly the same distance it takes to get from Times Square to Greenwich, Conn., or from the White House to Baltimore, or from downtown San Francisco to San Jose.
Those trips would be unthinkable for city residents, but it's becoming a common way of life for many rural residents in this state, and across the nation.
Since the beginning of 2010, 43 rural hospitals — with a total of more than 1,500 beds — have closed, according to data from the North Carolina Rural Health Research Program. The pace of closures has quickened: from 3 in 2010 to 13 in 2013, and 12 already this year. Georgia alone has lost five rural hospitals since 2012, and at least six more are teetering on the brink of collapse. Each of the state's closed hospitals served about 10,000 people — a lot for remaining area hospitals to absorb.
The Affordable Care Act was designed to improve access to health care for all Americans and will give them another chance at getting health insurance during open enrollment starting this Saturday. But critics say the ACA is also accelerating the demise of rural outposts that cater to many of society's most vulnerable. These hospitals treat some of the sickest and poorest patients — those least aware of how to stay healthy. Hospital officials contend that the law's penalties for having to re-admit patients soon after they're released are impossible to avoid and create a crushing burden.
"The stand-alone, community hospital is going the way of the dinosaur," says Angela Mattie, chairwoman of the health care management and organizational leadership department at Connecticut's Quinnipiac University, known for its public opinion surveys on issues including public health.
Rural hospitals closing, health professionals losing jobs, the poor and elderly losing access to health care, doctors closing private practices, consolidating auxiliary providers. All this is jon's definition of a resounding success.

Meh…rural hospitals and communities have been in decline for decades. There are many factors outside of the ACA and some programs within it that could actually assist.
The ACA Provisions Directly Affecting Rural Hospitals
Although the health care reform law was not tailored to suit the specific needs of rural and critical access hospitals, such providers are poised to benefit from the law. Here are a few examples of provisions covering rural hospitals.
340B program expansion: Critical access hospitals now can participate in the federal government's 340B drug discount program, meaning they can receive certain outpatient prescription drugs at a lower price.
Accountable care organizations: Just like other hospitals, rural facilities can create ACOs, which are designed to help coordinate services and improve efficiency and offer the possibility of shared savings.
Health insurance exchanges: The ACA's health insurance exchanges were touted as a way to help achieve universal coverage and reduce the amount of uncompensated care provided. Rural areas generally have higher numbers of uninsured residents, meaning providers in those areas could benefit from an increase in health coverage.
Pilot projects to test new care models: The ACA established several demonstration projects, including the frontier community health integration project demonstration, which aims to develop and test new care models in rural areas to improve health outcomes and reduce Medicare costs.
Value-based purchasing program: Critical access hospitals must be included in the program's quality reporting requirements and measurements by 2012, which would increase transparency of hospital practices.
The ACA Provisions That Missed Expectations
Not all of the ACA's promised improvements for rural hospitals have become reality.
According to Kaiser Health News, fewer than one in 20 critical access hospitals are part of an ACO. Leah Binder of the Leapfrog Group said that many rural hospitals do not have a large enough patient base to form ACOs and, therefore, struggle to take part.
Meanwhile, the frontier community health integration pilot has been limited to five states -- Alaska, Montana, Nevada, North Dakota and Wyoming -- and no critical access hospital participants have been announced yet.
Further, Congress has yet to provide funding for critical access hospitals to receive bonuses or penalties based on quality.
Priya Bathija, senior associate director of policy at the American Hospital Association, told California Healthline that "there is a sentiment from critical access hospitals that they want to participate in those programs, and some are publicly reporting their quality data." She noted that critical access hospitals could benefit from such a program that takes into account the hospitals' lower patient volume.
Another challenge for rural hospitals is that the Supreme Court's ruling to allow states to opt out of the law's Medicaid expansion has created a greater financial burden on hospitals in non-expansion states, Bathija said. A findings brief from the NC Rural Health Research Program notes that of the 11 states not expanding Medicaid at the time of its research, six -- Arkansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, South Dakota and Wyoming -- had more than 20% of their populations residing in rural areas.
Holmes, also an associate professor of health policy and management at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, said, "Rural areas were generally more uninsured and although a lot of [ACA] provisions were designed to mitigate that gap in some states," it has gotten worse because some states with large rural populations declined to expand their Medicaid programs. According to Holmes, it's "not a design or implementation issue, that is just how things transpired."
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Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:23 am
by Baldy
kalm wrote:Baldy wrote:Rural hospitals in critical condition
Rural hospitals closing, health professionals losing jobs, the poor and elderly losing access to health care, doctors closing private practices, consolidating auxiliary providers. All this is jon's definition of a resounding success.

Meh…rural hospitals and communities have been in decline for decades. There are many factors outside of the ACA and some programs within it that could actually assist.
Many states were already struggling with trying to afford Medicaid before Obamacare. Expanding it even more and raising the costs to the states wasn't the answer.
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:35 am
by Skjellyfetti
But, the problems in your article does seem to affect states that didn't expand medicaid more than states that did.
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:46 am
by Baldy
Skjellyfetti wrote:But, the problems in your article does seem to affect states that didn't expand medicaid more than states that did.
What part of, "Many states were already struggling with trying to afford Medicaid before Obamacare." did you not understand?

Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:47 am
by Grizalltheway
Choice is good. Yay capitalism!
The Affordable Care Act and its recalibrated healthcare.gov web site forges ahead this week with many consumers preparing to buy plans insurers report will be at a “lower cost” than last year and with more choices.
A new study from a nonpartisan group and information from health insurer earnings reports indicate the second year of open enrollment – the period when eligible Americans can sign up for benefits or make changes from last year’s choices – will bring a larger array of government-subsidized health plan options. Open enrollment begins this Saturday, Nov. 15 and runs to Feb. 15 of next year.
Across the country, 20%-25% more insurers are participating than last year. In Illinois, for example, the department of insurance said the number of qualified plans on that state’s exchange “more than doubled from 165 plans offered in 2014 to more than 400 plans being offered in 2015.”
The new competition is keeping prices in check, according to a new report funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation from researchers at the Urban Institute, which found that consumers in most markets are purchasing plans at a “lower cost than in 2014, or a small increase of less than 5%.
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Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:44 am
by DSUrocks07
The Affordable Care Act
government-subsidized health plan options
consumers in most markets are purchasing plans at a “lower cost than in 2014, or a small increase of less than 5%.
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So even with massive government subsidies, in some cases costs still went up for the consumer compared to their previous pre-ACA plans.

Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:35 pm
by Chizzang
Grizalltheway wrote:Choice is good. Yay capitalism!
The Affordable Care Act and its recalibrated healthcare.gov web site forges ahead this week with many consumers preparing to buy plans insurers report will be at a “lower cost” than last year and with more choices.
A new study from a nonpartisan group and information from health insurer earnings reports indicate the second year of open enrollment – the period when eligible Americans can sign up for benefits or make changes from last year’s choices – will bring a larger array of government-subsidized health plan options. Open enrollment begins this Saturday, Nov. 15 and runs to Feb. 15 of next year.
Across the country, 20%-25% more insurers are participating than last year. In Illinois, for example, the department of insurance said the number of qualified plans on that state’s exchange “more than doubled from 165 plans offered in 2014 to more than 400 plans being offered in 2015.”
The new competition is keeping prices in check, according to a new report funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation from researchers at the Urban Institute, which found that consumers in most markets are purchasing plans at a “lower cost than in 2014, or a small increase of less than 5%.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen ... nrollment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
hmmm...
Consumers will need to closely examine and compare their options. “Larger premium increases are more likely to occur in rural areas,”
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:47 pm
by CitadelGrad
Chizzang wrote:
hmmm...
Consumers will need to closely examine and compare their options. “Larger premium increases are more likely to occur in rural areas,”
Rural counties didn't vote for Obama and usually don't vote Dem. Their residents have to be punished.
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:55 pm
by kalm
CitadelGrad wrote:Chizzang wrote:
hmmm...
Consumers will need to closely examine and compare their options. “Larger premium increases are more likely to occur in rural areas,”
Rural counties didn't vote for Obama and usually don't vote Dem. Their residents have to be punished.
Yet they typically live off the government teat more than most.
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:52 pm
by CitadelGrad
kalm wrote:CitadelGrad wrote:
Rural counties didn't vote for Obama and usually don't vote Dem. Their residents have to be punished.
Yet they typically live off the government teat more than most.
Largely because the government has rigged the system so that farmers have to take subsidies to survive.
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:44 pm
by CAA Flagship
Obamacare

Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:03 am
by CID1990
CitadelGrad wrote:kalm wrote:
Yet they typically live off the government teat more than most.
Largely because the government has rigged the system so that farmers have to take subsidies to survive.
they should just sell the farm and move to the city
like 90 some percent of small farmers have done since 1920
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:52 pm
by BDKJMU
Obamacare Sign-Ups Were Inflated With Dental Plans
"The Obama administration said it erroneously calculated the number of people with health coverage under the Affordable Care Act, incorrectly adding 380,000 dental subscribers to raise the total above 7 million.
The accurate number with full health-care plans is 6.7 million as of Oct. 15, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services confirmed today, saying the U.S. won’t include dental plans in future reports....
....In May, the government reported that 8 million were signed up for health plans and 1.1 million were in dental coverage....."
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Obamacare- lies, lies, and more lies. The gift that keeps on giving..I don't know whether to

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Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:42 am
by CAA Flagship
United Healthcare warns that it may pull out of Obamacare.
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Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:26 pm
by Chizzang
So you're saying that having to insure people who they previously would have declined is hurting business...?
And quarterly profits aren't in 7 digits anymore - My God...!!!!
We're doomed
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:27 pm
by Bronco
I had a kid into the eye Dr yesterday to get contacts
I said I bet life was easier and more profitable before obamacare
she said...Got that right...customers are way down because of the large deductibles
“I will say standing here after 14 hours, standing on your feet, there's sometimes some pain, sometimes some fatigue that is involved, but you know what? There's far more pain involved in rolling over... far more pain in hiding in the shadows, far more pain in not standing for principle, not standing for the good, not standing for integrity.” – Cruz during his filibuster against Obamacare
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:00 pm
by Ibanez
Bronco wrote:I had a kid into the eye Dr yesterday to get contacts
I said I bet life was easier and more profitable before obamacare
she said...Got that right...customers are way down because of the large deductibles
“I will say standing here after 14 hours, standing on your feet, there's sometimes some pain, sometimes some fatigue that is involved, but you know what? There's far more pain involved in rolling over... far more pain in hiding in the shadows, far more pain in not standing for principle, not standing for the good, not standing for integrity.” – Cruz during his filibuster against Obamacare
Having to pay co-insurance, when you don't know the cost of services, is a frightening.
So, you're telling me I have to pay $435/mo for insurance, and then pay an additional $2,600 on top of that before Insurance kicks in? WTF?!

Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:13 pm
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:58 pm
by CAA Flagship
Ibanez wrote:Bronco wrote:I had a kid into the eye Dr yesterday to get contacts
I said I bet life was easier and more profitable before obamacare
she said...Got that right...customers are way down because of the large deductibles
Having to pay co-insurance, when you don't know the cost of services, is a frightening.
So, you're telling me I have to pay $435/mo for insurance, and then pay an additional $2,600 on top of that before Insurance kicks in? WTF?!

Now you know why the Donks didn't want anyone to read it before they had to vote on it.

Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:54 pm
by BDKJMU
Another example of the tremendous waste, fraud and abuse. If these people running Obamacare had a lick of sense they would withhold payments until AFTER their immigration status has been verified to verify if these illegal immigrants were actually eligible. Idiots.
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Senate report: Illegal immigrants benefited from up to $750M in ObamaCare subsidies
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Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:16 am
by CID1990
Skjellyfetti wrote:But, the problems in your article does seem to affect states that didn't expand medicaid more than states that did.
Let's see..... what happened in the last few years that forced states to consider expanding Medicaid?
Re: Even more Obamacare Failure
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:03 am
by Bronco
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Didn’t Obama say illegal aliens would not be getting subsidies?
Via Fox News:
Illegal immigrants and individuals with unclear legal status wrongly benefited from up to $750 million in ObamaCare subsidies and the government is struggling to recoup the money, according to a new Senate report obtained by Fox News.
Joe Wilson was right when he shouted you lie to Obama as he was saying illegals would not be covered
“There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.”
Barack Obama 2009