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JohnStOnge wrote:More liberal/progressive speak. Immigration "reform" means "reward people and/or their children who came into the country illegally by allowing them to stay here and eventually become citizens."

It's crap. Nobody who came here illegally should EVER be allowed to stay here. And their children should NOT be allowed either. If anything, if we want to talk about reform, we should be talking about Amending the Constitution so that it's clear that your kid doesn't become a US citizen because you sneak across the border and drop a rug rat here.

What we should be talking about is how we're going to make life as unpleasant as possible for people who are hear illegally so that they don't want to be here. And, yes, we should be talking about every effort to deport however many million there are. This thing about "We can't deport X million people" is nonsense. We don't talk about that with other laws. Like we don't say "We can't arrest X million people who smoke marijuana."

What we CAN do is deport people who are here illegally consistently when we find them. And we can make things unpleasant for those that are here. We can change things so that people who are illegal cannot receive any kinds of benefits, etc. I'm talking about if we had the will and the consensus.

But we don't because we're idiots. Not counting the disgusting Hispanics who are already here who are pushing to have their buddies in as well. I'm talking about the rest of us who are not Hispanic and put up with this crap.

JohnStOnge wrote:More liberal/progressive speak. Immigration "reform" means "reward people and/or their children who came into the country illegally by allowing them to stay here and eventually become citizens."

It's crap. Nobody who came here illegally should EVER be allowed to stay here. And their children should NOT be allowed either. If anything, if we want to talk about reform, we should be talking about Amending the Constitution so that it's clear that your kid doesn't become a US citizen because you sneak across the border and drop a rug rat here.

What we should be talking about is how we're going to make life as unpleasant as possible for people who are hear illegally so that they don't want to be here. And, yes, we should be talking about every effort to deport however many million there are. This thing about "We can't deport X million people" is nonsense. We don't talk about that with other laws. Like we don't say "We can't arrest X million people who smoke marijuana."

What we CAN do is deport people who are here illegally consistently when we find them. And we can make things unpleasant for those that are here. We can change things so that people who are illegal cannot receive any kinds of benefits, etc. I'm talking about if we had the will and the consensus.

But we don't because we're idiots. Not counting the disgusting Hispanics who are already here who are pushing to have their buddies in as well. I'm talking about the rest of us who are not Hispanic and put up with this crap.

kalm wrote:I've found many Hispanics to be well kept and hygiene aware.

CitadelGrad wrote:

kalm wrote:I've found many Hispanics to be well kept and hygiene aware.

Then you've never had a whore in Tijuana.

JohnStOnge wrote:disgusting Hispanics

CID1990 wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:
Then you've never had a whore in Tijuana.

You leave Juan out of this, motherfvcker

Is it legal if they kill the people that are already here? Native Americans want to know.

Skjellyfetti wrote:tldr version

JohnStOnge wrote:disgusting Hispanics

Pwns wrote: Republicans also need to start hammering democrats about how enthusiastic they are to make citizens out of people with little education and job skills but won't do much to help immigrants who are engineers and scientists.

Newly proposed rules for highly skilled immigrants to the United States, including a provision to allow their spouses to work, are aimed at making it easier to keep those talented science, technology and engineering workers in the country, officials said on Tuesday.

"These individuals are American families in waiting," Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker said. "Many tire of waiting for green cards and leave the country to work for our competition. The fact is we have to do more to retain and attract world-class talent to the United States and these regulations put us on a path to do that."

One of the two proposed regulation changes would allow the spouses of holders of H-1B visas, which are given to workers in fields such as science, technology and engineering, to have jobs in the United States while their spouses' green card applications are being considered. Spouses of U.S. visaholders currently are not given permission to work.

Deputy Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, who announced the new regulations with Pritzker, said that change could affect as many as 97,000 people in the first year and some 30,000 annually after that.

The other proposed regulation change would give employers a wider range of methods to document that immigrant researchers and professors are among the best in their fields. The regulations would go into effect after a 60-day public comment period.

Pritzker said approximately 28 percent of new businesses in the United States are started by immigrants and that about 40 percent of the Fortune 500 companies were started by immigrants or their children.

Pritzker also supported President Barack Obama's push to overhaul the U.S. immigration system so that it would allow the United States "to staple a green card to the degrees of graduate students instead of forcing potential innovators and job creators to leave after being trained at our universities."

Senator Jeff Sessions, a Republican from Alabama and opponent of immigration reform, denounced the proposed changes. "Yet again, the administration is acting unilaterally to change immigration law in a way that hurts American workers," he said.

"This will help corporations by further flooding a slack labor market, pulling down wages. It is good news for citizens in other countries who will be hired. But for struggling Americans, it will only reduce wages, lower job opportunities, and make it harder to scrape by."

Ibanez wrote:And remember John, you can't just go after the brown ones.

Pwns wrote:It's a losing strategy to try and get immigrants to leave. It's a loser politically plus it just won't stop illegal immigration. You only need to look at how Alabama and Georgia's immigration laws have failed to see how it's pointless.

I've said it before, what the republicans need to do is come up with a plan that can negate what it is that the democrats are really after (which is more Democrat voters).

Let the anchor baby-mammas have the options a lot of citizens have but don't let them vote in any federal elections for a long time, if ever.

Republicans also need to start hammering democrats about how enthusiastic they are to make citizens out of people with little education and job skills but won't do much to help immigrants who are engineers and scientists.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ibanez wrote:And remember John, you can't just go after the brown ones.

yup

haven't seen him call the irish illegals disgusting yet
http://irishlobbyusa.org/about-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ibanez wrote:

Pwns wrote:It's a losing strategy to try and get immigrants to leave. It's a loser politically plus it just won't stop illegal immigration. You only need to look at how Alabama and Georgia's immigration laws have failed to see how it's pointless.

I've said it before, what the republicans need to do is come up with a plan that can negate what it is that the democrats are really after (which is more Democrat voters).

Let the anchor baby-mammas have the options a lot of citizens have but don't let them vote in any federal elections for a long time, if ever.

Republicans also need to start hammering democrats about how enthusiastic they are to make citizens out of people with little education and job skills but won't do much to help immigrants who are engineers and scientists.

So DHS estimates that about half of the 12 million illegal immigrants were orginally here legally. Regardless. Which is wiser: foolishly try to arrest and deport theses people OR have an enrollment period where we advertise: If you are here illegally, go to a certain office, get a from in the mail, etc... to become a citizen. You will become a legal citizen (which means you can now get paid minimum wage and benefits. No more under the table) which also means you'll be a taxpayer. Which means that the IRS will garnish your wages until your immigration fee is paid off (make it reasonable). Which means no more hiding in the shadows.


It may not be a perfect idea, but it's better than rounding them up and sending them off to some country, many of them have never been to b/c they were born here.

Pwns wrote:

Ibanez wrote:
So DHS estimates that about half of the 12 million illegal immigrants were orginally here legally. Regardless. Which is wiser: foolishly try to arrest and deport theses people OR have an enrollment period where we advertise: If you are here illegally, go to a certain office, get a from in the mail, etc... to become a citizen. You will become a legal citizen (which means you can now get paid minimum wage and benefits. No more under the table) which also means you'll be a taxpayer. Which means that the IRS will garnish your wages until your immigration fee is paid off (make it reasonable). Which means no more hiding in the shadows.


It may not be a perfect idea, but it's better than rounding them up and sending them off to some country, many of them have never been to b/c they were born here.

I agree, but I don't like the idea of not attaching some kind of stipulations. What kind of message does that send to people who came to America legally?

CAA Flagship wrote:So if you grant the current illegals amnesty on a Sunday, and allow them to become citizens, what happens when more illegals come into the country on Monday, Tuesday, etc. after that? Do we have an Amnesty Day each year and make them citizens too?

I'd love to watch you try and conceive a plan to hunt, arrest, deport and keep out 12 million or more illegal immigrants. And remember John, you can't just go after the brown ones.

JohnStOnge wrote:

I'd love to watch you try and conceive a plan to hunt, arrest, deport and keep out 12 million or more illegal immigrants. And remember John, you can't just go after the brown ones.

Just do what we do with any other law. We don't decide on whether or not to enforce other laws based on the idea that we're not going to catch everybody who violates it.

The other part of the equation is to make it unpleasant for them to be here. No children of illegal immigrants in our schools. No federal benefits. Nothing. And that starts with no water stations in the desert. Make them feel hunted. Do all that can be done to make being here illegally a bad experience. Amend the Constitution as necessary to contradict court decisions doing things such as forcing public schools to admit them, etc. Also Amend the Constitution to say that if you're in this country illegally and have a kid while you're here that kid is not a citizen of the United States.

All those things are possible given the will to do them.

As far as looking at the "brown" ones; that relates to the fact that we're not allowed to use profiling when it works. It would be very easy to work out a conceptual and even a mathematical model for identifying people who are associated with a high probability of being here illegally and focusing our efforts like that.

And you know what? The reality is that you'd end up focusing more on people who had an appearance of hispanic ethnicity and who cannot speak or have difficulty in speaking English. You'd be much more effective and efficient in identifying and taking action to remove people in the country illegally by doing that.

Mind you, I'm not saying you reach a final conclusion based on that. But you focus your efforts. Absolutely nothing wrong with or truly unconstitutional about that. But in our system we are compelled to ignore the obvious.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Ibanez wrote:And remember John, you can't just go after the brown ones.

yup

haven't seen him call the irish illegals disgusting yet
http://irishlobbyusa.org/about-us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They aren't. Of the estimated 11.1 million undocumented immigrants residing in the United States as of 2011, some 81 percent were born in Latin America, according to Pew Hispanic Center.

Swing and a miss.