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CID1990 wrote:Oh OK

There's no problem with Islam then

CID1990 wrote:Oh OK

There's no problem with Islam then

There's a shit ton wrong with Islam

kalm wrote:

I like this Reza Aslan guy

kalm wrote:

I like this Reza Aslan guy and I've seen him kill it with facts before. This time he absolutely demolishes the two CNN anchors and Bill Maher along the way.

There's a bunch of you who need to watch this (especially those who've sneeringly used the phrase "religion of peace"). There's a shit ton wrong with Islam, but fabricating so many things doesn't bring us any closer to peace.



http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/ ... /35pyduzak" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

kalm wrote:

CID1990 wrote:Oh OK

There's no problem with Islam then

Yeah, um nice troll. I was actually looking forward to your thoughtful response on this considering all of your experiences.

Chizzang wrote:

kalm wrote:

I like this Reza Aslan guy and I've seen him kill it with facts before. This time he absolutely demolishes the two CNN anchors and Bill Maher along the way.

There's a bunch of you who need to watch this (especially those who've sneeringly used the phrase "religion of peace"). There's a shit ton wrong with Islam, but fabricating so many things doesn't bring us any closer to peace.



http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/ ... /35pyduzak" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll take the bait..!!!
(and you knew I would you bastard)

It is easy to criticize Islam
And yes virtually every chapter of the Koran (over 100 times) has some form of suggested intolerance and actions of violence to be taken in defense of the teachings...
at one point it LITERALLY SAYS "Kill them wherever you find them" in reference to non believers

and this: My favorite
The punishment of those who speak ill of Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"




So yeah... they got that going for them

CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Yeah, um nice troll. I was actually looking forward to your thoughtful response on this considering all of your experiences.

NIce troll?

NICE TROLL?

Says the guy who started a thread remotely rebutting criticism of Islam

Cluck U wrote:Islam is a violent religion...always has been, always will be.

The guest played his part...but he spent more time tap dancing around the brutality of Islam versus outwardly questioning our relationships with Saudi Arabia.

Bigotry...

kalm wrote: 1) It's always fun to watch anchors get owned.

2) He's spot on about our hypocrisy condemning ISIS (which should be condemned) while supporting Saudi Arabia who beheaded 23 people in the month of August, mostly for non-violent crimes.

You disagree with his analysis?

Chizzang wrote:

kalm wrote: 1) It's always fun to watch anchors get owned.

2) He's spot on about our hypocrisy condemning ISIS (which should be condemned) while supporting Saudi Arabia who beheaded 23 people in the month of August, mostly for non-violent crimes.

You disagree with his analysis?

I think most of the folks on this forum know Saudi Arabia IS THE PROBLEM
But there's nothing ever going to happen about that - not one damn thing

We are inextricably tied to them because they largely control OPEC
and OPEC trades oil in U.S. Dollars which creates an alarming over valuation of the U.S. Dollar
As the demand for Currency is in the daily billions (DAILY BILLIONS)

That is an artificial demand for our money that we're not in any position to live without
If OPEC stopped trading in U.S. dollars and started trading in Swiss Franc we'd have a crisis of EPIC PROPORTION on our hands





We'll do any damn thing Saudi Arabia asks us to do... we are their bitches
Hell they can even send a dozen guys over to bomb our world trade centers and we won't do anything...

JohnStOnge wrote:I'll look at it later but nothing the guy can say changes the fact that it is not a religion of peace. That's just historical reality from the genesis of the faith on through its proliferation.

kalm wrote:

Cluck U wrote:Islam is a violent religion...always has been, always will be.

The guest played his part...but he spent more time tap dancing around the brutality of Islam versus outwardly questioning our relationships with Saudi Arabia.

Bigotry...

So what percentage of Islam is a threat? When do we invade Turkey and Malaysia?

kalm wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
I think most of the folks on this forum know Saudi Arabia IS THE PROBLEM
But there's nothing ever going to happen about that - not one damn thing

We are inextricably tied to them because they largely control OPEC
and OPEC trades oil in U.S. Dollars which creates an alarming over valuation of the U.S. Dollar
As the demand for Currency is in the daily billions (DAILY BILLIONS)

That is an artificial demand for our money that we're not in any position to live without
If OPEC stopped trading in U.S. dollars and started trading in Swiss Franc we'd have a crisis of EPIC PROPORTION on our hands





We'll do any damn thing Saudi Arabia asks us to do... we are their bitches
Hell they can even send a dozen guys over to bomb our world trade centers and we won't do anything...

So we really don't care whether all of Islam is the problem or whether all of islam is violent, oppressive, misogynistic, do we?

It's much easier to paint them with a broad brush.

We truly have no values.

Can we at least stop pretending that beheadings, women driving, and freedom matter?

Sheeeesh!

CitadelGrad wrote:I wonder how long we'll be mining rare earth minerals in Afghanistan after we leave. I suspect not very long. Allah hates rare earth minerals. Apparently, Obama does too. Obama loves Allah, so that makes sense.

China controls Iraq's oil. Not sure why you think we do.

Ditto for Libya.

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia — Under Islamic law, or Shariah, the religious police have administered public canings for such things as gambling, prostitution and illicit affairs. But under a new Islamic criminal code that goes into effect this month, the Shariah police will be wielding a new and more potent threat: death by stoning for adulterers.

JohnStOnge wrote:Here's another one:

http://www.violenceisnotourculture.org/ ... ss-conduct" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia — Under Islamic law, or Shariah, the religious police have administered public canings for such things as gambling, prostitution and illicit affairs. But under a new Islamic criminal code that goes into effect this month, the Shariah police will be wielding a new and more potent threat: death by stoning for adulterers.

That's Islam buddy. That guy was SO full of it.

Cluck U wrote:Great read - a long one though - from the New Yorker on the battle between ISIS and the Kurds.

it outlines a sub issue that few want to talk about. ISIS is supposedly the biggest threat to the West. But the Kurds, and their push for independence, are a threat to Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Iraq.

Kurdish oil (great political moves to obtain it by the Kurds, BTW)...the West wants it, but doesn't want to upset the others in the region.

CID should love this article.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/ ... ight-lives" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GREAT READ indeed. But yeah…you, Chizz, and JSO are right…fuck them…they should all be lumped together as the CNN anchors argued.

On March 16, 1988, Nosreen Abdul Qadeer, a sixteen-year-old newlywed in the Kurdish town of Halabja, was helping her mother prepare lunch for guests when she heard a series of explosions. This was unremarkable: the government of Saddam Hussein, then at war with Iran, had lumped the Kurds in with its foreign enemies. But the planes that day were flying unusually low, barely above the treetops. “I could see the pilots inside, taking photos of the city,” she said. The family rushed to the basement to wait out the bombardment.

A few minutes later, Qadeer noticed that her family members’ eyes were turning red. Then an eerie smell seeped under the doorway and down the stairs. One moment it reminded Qadeer of apples, the next of rotten eggs. When the shelling stopped, she and her family went outside. “Children were vomiting in the streets,” Qadeer said. “People’s noses were running with blood. Goats and chickens were on the ground choking to death.”

As people around her collapsed, Qadeer began to run, and found herself with a group of people she didn’t know. As they hustled toward the edge of town, they turned into the wind, discovering that it was easier to breathe that way. Qadeer urged strangers to keep moving, even as they passed the dead. She found many of the stragglers laughing deliriously as they expired. One was a boy, seated on the ground, who refused to budge. “Let me do my homework!” he said. “Let me do my homework!” That night, as the group prepared to sleep in an abandoned building, Qadeer began to lose her eyesight, and her memory started to fade. Her husband, Baktiar, found her, and placed tea leaves over her eyes to ease the burning. The next day, the group, with nearly everyone blind, began to move again, roping themselves together so that no one would be lost. A few days later, Qadeer awoke in an Iranian hospital, lashed to a bed. She was blind, burned, and bleeding from her vagina. But, she said, “I was not dead after all.” Twenty days later, her vision began to return. It was only then that she and the others realized that they had been attacked with chemical weapons.

I met Qadeer, who is now forty-two, at a museum in Halabja dedicated to the victims of the attack, which Saddam’s government carried out with sarin and mustard gas. As many as five thousand people died in the assault, including seventeen of Qadeer’s relatives, making it one of the most vicious acts of Saddam’s reign. An audiotape recovered after the fall of his regime recorded the raspy voice of Ali Hassan Al Majid, the dictator’s cousin and the orchestrator of the attack. “I will kill them all!” Majid says. “Fuck the international community! I will fuck the father of the international community!”

People from Halabja still suffer from respiratory illnesses caused by the chemical weapons: a resident of the town dies every four months from the residual effects. “I don’t have a normal life,” Qadeer told me. “If I go without my medicine, it is like the first day for me.” Like many women who survived the attack, Qadeer struggled to bear children; one was born with a hole in his heart and died a few weeks later. It was not until 2000, twelve years after the attack, that Qadeer was able to conceive successfully; she now has three healthy children. “All I ask for is a bright life for my children,” she said. “The person inside me died long ago.”

In the years after the attack, some of her rare moments of satisfaction came from the demise of Saddam Hussein. After his arrest, in December of 2003, Qadeer watched his trial every day on television; if she missed it, she would stay up until 2 A.M. to watch the second broadcast. Part of her wishes that he were still around: “I think the best revenge would have been for him to see what we have accomplished here in Kurdistan.”

JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I watched it and I think the guy is totally full of crap. He just makes a bunch of assertions as though him saying it makes it true. It's very easy to find indications of, at the very least, contradictions to what he's saying. Take Indonesia, for example, since he mentioned it a couple of times as an example of how Islam does not promote repression of women. Just Google around on what's going on with the effects of Islam on law there. You will find stuff like this:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3579/indonesia-sharia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gang-raped- ... lamic-law/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just because some college professor says it doesn't make it true. To say that Islam is not a factor in the kind of stuff we're talking about is absolute nonsense.