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Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:50 am
by kalm
Is there a larger group of victims in the US than Chrisitians?

Discuss.
The problem is that for most of U.S. history, Christians haven’t been persecuted—at least not in comparison to early believers or even what Christians in places like Iraq face today. So, the question for American Christians is what to make of the Bible’s warning that we will be persecuted. For many evangelicals, the lack of very public and dramatic persecution could be interpreted as a sign that they just aren’t faithful enough: If they were persecuted, they could be confident they are saved. This creates an incentive to interpret personal experiences and news events as signs of oppression, which are ostensibly validations of our commitment to Christ. The danger of this view is that believers can come to see victimhood as an essential part of their identity.

Believers can come to see victimhood as part of their identity.
Other Christians would argue that these biblical warnings are not intended to mean that victimhood is a sign of salvation. Instead, they are meant to assure believers that suffering in life is not a sign that God has abandoned the faithful, or that the Gospel is not the truth. This is a radical thing about Christ, and, coincidentally, the reason why Nietzsche called Christianity a “slave morality”: Christ’s suffering on the cross is an inversion of worldly conceptions of success and power. His model is of sacrifice and selflessness—persecution is a constituent part of his divinity, not a sign that he was defeated.

That’s not to say there aren’t very real incidents of discrimination and even hatred toward Christianity in the United States. But as members of the largest faith group in America, Christians are relatively well-protected and more often accommodated than actively harmed.

As evangelical morality increasingly comes into conflict with dominant cultural mores, evangelicals need to be even more careful about the debates we chose to engage in, the rights we chose to assert, and the hills we choose to die on. Too much is at stake for evangelicals to waste our resources and credibility on frivolous and occasionally self-provoked “injustices.” Imagined offenses drummed up by sensationalists and fear-mongers should be exposed and denied. At times, even legitimate offenses should be overlooked, when they are petty. By focusing attention on real and substantial incidences of persecution, evangelicals will be much more effective at educating their neighbors and fighting for truly important matters of religious liberty.

And this has implications for those outside of evangelicalism, as well. It’s a challenge of tolerance: Just because some claims of persecution are contrived doesn’t mean actual persecution doesn’t exist here and elsewhere. And even though the traditionally powerful influence of evangelicals in America is waning, that doesn’t mean it is just to infringe upon our rights.

Tensions between Christians and non-Christians are likely to grow in the coming years as cultural mores shift, and out of this tension will come negotiations, dialogue, lawsuits, ignorance, and conflict. For evangelicals, preparation for this must begin in our own house, as we learn to better discern good theologies of suffering, edifying stories of persecution, and distorted reports of discrimination.
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Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:05 am
by Ivytalk
Good article. In terms of persecution, the real danger to Christians is overseas -- Egypt, Iraq, northern Nigeria, Sudan -- and nothing like that exists here. There is a strong tendency in the MSM and on the political left to mock Christian values or practices, but no actual persecution worth mentioning. You can't conflate the two issues.

By the way, it was interesting to note the author's claim that evangelical influence is "waning." And he's right: the real threat to evangelicalism is from the increasing secularization of American society and the increasing ranks of the "unchurched."

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:18 am
by andy7171
I hardly consider myself a victim. Here in America were just the last group that it's acceptable to openly make fun of without repercussion. Outside the US it's another story and you could make a case. Though the Jews are heading down a bad path.

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:53 am
by ALPHAGRIZ1
Gays
Blacks
Women

are much higher up on this ladder than Christians.

Those fu*kers never stop bitching

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:43 pm
by 93henfan
andy7171 wrote:I hardly consider myself a victim. Here in America were just the last group that it's acceptable to openly make fun of without repercussion. Outside the US it's another story and you could make a case. Though the Jews are heading down a bad path.
Shut up you Catholic piece of shit!

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:05 pm
by Pwns
Perceived oppression is always real oppression...just ask the NAACP and the liberal feminists who talk about "rape culture".

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:26 pm
by AZGrizFan
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Gays
Blacks
Women

are much higher up on this ladder than Christians.

Those fu*kers never stop bitching
And Godforfuckingbid you're a gay, black, Christian woman. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:32 pm
by dbackjon
AZGrizFan wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Gays
Blacks
Women

are much higher up on this ladder than Christians.

Those fu*kers never stop bitching
And Godforfuckingbid you're a gay, black, Christian woman. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

One of the pastors of the largest gay church in Phoenix is:
Female
Lesbian
Black
Christian
Minister


She manages to survive all those handicaps

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:40 pm
by ALPHAGRIZ1
Handicaps :ohno:


Only if she plays victim could any of those be handicaps. That is a punched ticket to easy street that AZ and I will never be able to have. Its bigoted and unfair.......we want a parade.

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:12 pm
by kalm
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Handicaps :ohno:


Only if she plays victim could any of those be handicaps. That is a punched ticket to easy street that AZ and I will never be able to have. Its bigoted and unfair.......we want a parade.
No one is stopping you, sugarbell.

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:57 pm
by Chizzang
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Handicaps :ohno:


Only if she plays victim could any of those be handicaps. That is a punched ticket to easy street that AZ and I will never be able to have. Its bigoted and unfair.......we want a parade.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkJOcpapKGI[/youtube]

Re: Victims

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:32 pm
by ALPHAGRIZ1
Chizzang wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Handicaps :ohno:


Only if she plays victim could any of those be handicaps. That is a punched ticket to easy street that AZ and I will never be able to have. Its bigoted and unfair.......we want a parade.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkJOcpapKGI[/youtube]
So stupid.....not funny.......no truth.

No wonder this guy doesn't make it big time......just not funny