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A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:40 am
by kalm
Nothing necessarily new here, but a very concise explanation of what's happened and a question of where we're headed by Richard Wolff.

A re-inflated bubble that's about to burst? Pitchforks and a French Revolution style conflict? A slow bleed into gated communities if not cities for the producers? Status quo? A new awakening where the working class is finally lifted up by the rising tide of the elite? Most of you know way more about economics than I do, so critique the piece and share your thoughts...


PERSPECTIVES
Capitalism’s Deeper Problem
July 15, 2014
by Richard D. Wolff


Then in the 1970s, these circumstances profoundly changed. The rapid spread of jet air travel and global telecommunications enabled old-center capitalists to consider relocating their production facilities to lower wage areas (since monitoring and control could be accomplished at a distance). At the same time, mounting economic problems, crises and implosions of many state capitalist and poor nations undercut their efforts at independent paths of economic development. Their leaders were looking for a changed strategy of development.

Old-center capitalists seeking to relocate to the former colonial territories encountered there local partners eager to make and profit from deals with them. Hundreds of millions of new, much cheaper workers thereby became available to old-center capitalist employers. Globalization meant above all a sudden increase in the global supply of labor power, yielding an historically unprecedented buyers’ market for labor.

Globalization meant above all a sudden increase in the global supply of labor power, yielding an historically unprecedented buyers’ market for labor. By relocating production facilities out of their old centers, capitalists drastically cut labor costs.
By relocating production facilities out of their old centers, capitalists drastically cut labor costs. They could escape the higher real wages and welfare state services won by generations of old-center workers. The profit possibilities were stupendous. Competition from those who first successfully relocated then forced even reluctant old-center capitalists to follow.

Many of the firms formed in, nurtured (and variously subsidized) by the old capitalist centers abandoned them. Detroit, Cleveland and so many other capitalist centers – in the US but also in Europe and Japan – have thus been declining, often for decades, with tragic human as well as economic costs. Loss of jobs, incomes, benefits and public services shaped ever more individuals’ lives. Capitalism’s globalization produced more enemies as the gaps between its beneficiaries and victims widened. Growing skepticism and then rejection confronted the euphemisms used to obscure globalization’s goals and effects (“deindustrialization,” “post-industrialism,” “outsourcing,” “world-class competition,” “free-trade associations,” “declining middle class,” and “austerity,” among others).

Wealth and income distributions consequently polarized in the old capitalist centers. Capitalists’ profits grew sharply as they relocated production to lower waged workers in what became the new centers of capitalist growth (especially China, India, Brazil and so on). At the same time, such shifting of production provoked unemployment in the old centers, loss of higher-paying jobs that moved abroad and increasingly, the descent of workers into lower-paid, largely service-sector jobs. Old-center economies thus exhibited stagnant or falling real wages alongside soaring profits. The gap between rich and poor – between those whose incomes depend chiefly on profits and those who depend chiefly on wage work – starkly widened.

At the same time, wealth rose rapidly for the new-center partners of the old-center capitalists. Those partners who enabled old-center capital to flow into their societies and those who most successfully sold the resulting outputs back into old-center markets became wildly wealthy. Yet the mass of their fellow citizens remained mired in the poverty of their long-term economic underdevelopment. While new-center wages sometimes rose, their absolute levels remained low.

Sharply rising income and wealth inequalities thus characterized the new centers of capitalism as well as the old. Globalization distributed capitalism’s deepening inequality throughout the world. It likewise spread the usual effects of such inequality: speculation, real-estate bubbles, gross conspicuous consumption by the rich, political corruption and so on.
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Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:47 am
by Chizzang
The original article (thanks for the link) is actually damn interesting... there's no real breakthrough information but he does seem to sum-it-up nicely...

I have a whole bunch to say about this - as I now work for a company that actually manufactures its products right here in the United States of America

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:52 am
by Grizalltheway
Excellent article. :nod:

Too bad no one will read it or refute it. :ohno:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:53 am
by CID1990
Chizzang wrote:The original article (thanks for the link) is actually damn interesting... there's no real breakthrough information but he does seem to sum-it-up nicely...

I have a whole bunch to say about this - as I now work for a company that actually manufactures its products right here in the United States of America
you make Post It notes?

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:55 am
by OL FU
CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:The original article (thanks for the link) is actually damn interesting... there's no real breakthrough information but he does seem to sum-it-up nicely...

I have a whole bunch to say about this - as I now work for a company that actually manufactures its products right here in the United States of America
you make Post It notes?

Maybe he works for BMW :?

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:09 am
by Cap'n Cat
Dead on.

Poor Conks. They'll never understand....

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:36 am
by Ivytalk
Back in the early 70s, when Marxism was still cool, UMass scored a coup by hiring Wolff and several other guys, including David Resnick, Herb Gintis, and a Harvard faculty member named Sam Bowles who didn't get tenure there. Quite a cause celebre among the Harvard lefties, who had to deal with the McGovern loss and the Bowles tenure flap in the same 12-month period. UMass had the most radical economics department in the country at the time. IIRC, Bowles did some research in behavioral economics (theories of altruism vs. selfishness).

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:45 am
by Baldy
A wonderful article from the Marxist point of view from a respected Marxian Economist.

No wonder kalmy, Chizz Stain, jizzkid, and Comrade Cat are forming a circle jerk of appreciation. :jack:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:48 am
by Grizalltheway
No wonder you chimed in with snarky name calling and nothing to offer in rebuttal. :rofl:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:19 am
by Baldy
Grizalltheway wrote:No wonder you chimed in with snarky name calling and nothing to offer in rebuttal. :rofl:
Rebuttal? :lol:

This is a Marxist attempting to explain and describe Capitalism to a group of "progressives". That's like a McDonalds order jockey trying to teach the law of diminishing returns to a baboon. :coffee:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:41 am
by Cap'n Cat
Baldy wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:No wonder you chimed in with snarky name calling and nothing to offer in rebuttal. :rofl:
Rebuttal? :lol:

This is a Marxist attempting to explain and describe Capitalism to a group of "progressives". That's like a McDonalds order jockey trying to teach the law of diminishing returns to a baboon. :coffee:

Yep, ol' Baldy is the dive-in-and-criticize-but-never-offer-anything-of-substance prick upon which The Cap'n is modeling his new approach here! He's perfected the art!!!

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Like a Conk in the health care debate - repeal Obamacare but offer no alternative - Baldy is consistent, though!

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:48 pm
by kalm
Baldy wrote:A wonderful article from the Marxist point of view from a respected Marxian Economist.

No wonder kalmy, Chizz Stain, jizzkid, and Comrade Cat are forming a circle jerk of appreciation. :jack:
What do you think was Marxist about it?

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:13 pm
by Baldy
Cap'n Cat wrote:
Baldy wrote: Rebuttal? :lol:

This is a Marxist attempting to explain and describe Capitalism to a group of "progressives". That's like a McDonalds order jockey trying to teach the law of diminishing returns to a baboon. :coffee:

Yep, ol' Baldy is the dive-in-and-criticize-but-never-offer-anything-of-substance prick upon which The Cap'n is modeling his new approach here! He's perfected the art!!!

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Like a Conk in the health care debate - repeal Obamacare but offer no alternative - Baldy is consistent, though!

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
:lol:

Sez the one whose only contribution to any subject is large bold fonts, stupid pictures, emoticons, whining, crying, and blaming others. :dunce:

:coffee:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:15 pm
by Baldy
kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote:A wonderful article from the Marxist point of view from a respected Marxian Economist.

No wonder kalmy, Chizz Stain, jizzkid, and Comrade Cat are forming a circle jerk of appreciation. :jack:
What do you think was Marxist about it?
:?

Never said I thought the piece was Marxist or about Marxism.

I did say it was written by a Marxist and presenting his point of view as a Marxist.
There is a big difference.

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:08 pm
by JohnStOnge
Grizalltheway wrote:Excellent article. :nod:

Too bad no one will read it or refute it. :ohno:
Well, I haven't read it yet but I can see includes the premise that the typical person in a country like ours now makes less than such person did back in the 1970s or earlier. And that's just false. It's a false premise.

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:18 pm
by JohnStOnge
Ok I read it. You know, you guys bitch at me because I try to back up what I write. That guy wrote a whole bunch of stuff without substantiating any of it. Like saying, "the so-called 'middle classes' are evaporating." that's just objectively false. I won't post references because you guys don't like that but it's just false. You look at income distributions and there is absolutely no support for that statement...at least not in the United States.

That article is complete crap. He just makes a bunch of unsubstantiated statements then follows that with a bunch of other unsubstantiated statements submitted to explain the other unsubstantiated statements.

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:47 pm
by Ivytalk
JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I read it. You know, you guys bitch at me because I try to back up what I write. That guy wrote a whole bunch of stuff without substantiating any of it. Like saying, "the so-called 'middle classes' are evaporating." that's just objectively false. I won't post references because you guys don't like that but it's just false. You look at income distributions and there is absolutely no support for that statement...at least not in the United States.

That article is complete crap. He just makes a bunch of unsubstantiated statements then follows that with a bunch of other unsubstantiated statements submitted to explain the other unsubstantiated statements.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:49 pm
by JohnStOnge
Ivytalk wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I read it. You know, you guys bitch at me because I try to back up what I write. That guy wrote a whole bunch of stuff without substantiating any of it. Like saying, "the so-called 'middle classes' are evaporating." that's just objectively false. I won't post references because you guys don't like that but it's just false. You look at income distributions and there is absolutely no support for that statement...at least not in the United States.

That article is complete crap. He just makes a bunch of unsubstantiated statements then follows that with a bunch of other unsubstantiated statements submitted to explain the other unsubstantiated statements.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
What, do you want me to post something on the inflation adjusted income distributions over time showing that the idea that the middle class is evaporating is a myth?

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:51 pm
by Ivytalk
JohnStOnge wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
What, do you want me to post something on the inflation adjusted income distributions showing that the idea that the middle class if evaporating is a myth?

If you insist... :suicide:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:57 pm
by kalm
JohnStOnge wrote:Ok I read it. You know, you guys bitch at me because I try to back up what I write. That guy wrote a whole bunch of stuff without substantiating any of it. Like saying, "the so-called 'middle classes' are evaporating." that's just objectively false. I won't post references because you guys don't like that but it's just false. You look at income distributions and there is absolutely no support for that statement...at least not in the United States.

That article is complete crap. He just makes a bunch of unsubstantiated statements then follows that with a bunch of other unsubstantiated statements submitted to explain the other unsubstantiated statements.
You keep saying this, but you've never really proved it. Wages have pretty much been stagnant when compared to other countries and the cost of things like housing, education, insurance, etc. Christ, countries like Sweden and Canada have seen stronger growth with greater social spending and wealth distribution as noted here:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/up ... rrer=&_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

America! We're number 7 or 8...perhaps top 15!!!!

Thanks conks... :ohno:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:58 pm
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
What, do you want me to post something on the inflation adjusted income distributions showing that the idea that the middle class if evaporating is a myth?

If you insist... :suicide:
:lol:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:38 am
by Ivytalk
Oh, there you go, bringing class into it again! :roll:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:43 am
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:Oh, there you go, bringing class into it again! :roll:
I suppose you think true power is derived from some farsical aquatic ceremony. :roll:
Spoiler: show
:mrgreen:

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:54 am
by JohnStOnge
You keep saying this, but you've never really proved it. Wages have pretty much been stagnant when compared to other countries and the cost of things like housing, education, insurance, etc. Christ, countries like Sweden and Canada have seen stronger growth with greater social spending and wealth distribution as noted here:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/up" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... rrer=&_r=0

America! We're number 7 or 8...perhaps top 15!!!!
I have posted references to and estimates from CBO a number of times showing that the mean income of each quintile in the income distribution has increased in inflation adjusted terms since 1979 (for some reason that tends to be the CBO's start point). If you use an reasonable definition of the "middle class" per capita income has generally increased substantially since the 1970s "glory days." Again, that's when the cost of living is accounted for.

Do you want me to post references and data again? They just came out with their latest update this past December (I think). I did already post it though.

Re: A Brief History of Capitalism

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:10 am
by Baldy
Ivytalk wrote:Oh, there you go, bringing class into it again! :roll:
Yes again....kalm is a one trick pony. :coffee: