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I found this quote to describe anyone on the left or right

On a range of issues, liberals seem not only increasingly incapable of comprehending how or why someone would affirm a more traditional vision of the human good, but inclined to relegate dissenters to the category of moral monsters who deserve to be excommunicated from civilized life—and sometimes coerced into compliance by the government.

I thought you were going to say "rational."

Very good read and tough to argue with. The problem with libertarianism is that sometimes, government is substantially ahead of market and societal fixes.

kalm wrote:Very good read and tough to argue with. The problem with libertarianism is that sometimes, government is substantially ahead of market and societal fixes.

No, the problem with Libertarianism is that it's full of Libertarians.

Ideally, markets are perfect and self correcting. The problem is that what the market wants and needs doesn't always correlate with that society wants.

kalm wrote:Very good read and tough to argue with. The problem with libertarianism is that sometimes, government is substantially ahead of market and societal fixes.

Wut

Our government is 100% reactive and has been since 1812.

CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote:Very good read and tough to argue with. The problem with libertarianism is that sometimes, government is substantially ahead of market and societal fixes.

Wut

Our government is 100% reactive and has been since 1812.

Slavery.

kalm wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Wut

Our government is 100% reactive and has been since 1812.

Slavery.

Vermont 1791.

Child labor laws
40 hour work week
Glass Steagal
CCC
Interstate Highway Act
RR Act
Space Program

I consider myself a little "l" libertarian ( I will give credit to 89hen for that) mainly cuz I don't really know what a big L Libertarian is

OL FU wrote:I consider myself a little "l" libertarian ( I will give credit to 89hen for that) mainly cuz I don't really know what a big L Libertarian is

Big "L" Libertarian means you consider yourself a member of the Libertarian Party.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:

OL FU wrote:I consider myself a little "l" libertarian ( I will give credit to 89hen for that) mainly cuz I don't really know what a big L Libertarian is

Big "L" Libertarian means you consider yourself a member of the Libertarian Party.
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alright, when I have time I will take a look. prolly about 2020

Good article.

Is our Poli Board a "wasteland of orthodox, hyperpartisan attack dogs"?

Ivytalk wrote:Good article.

Really Gawd, now I have to read the damn thing

kalm wrote:Child labor laws
40 hour work week
Glass Steagal
CCC
Interstate Highway Act
RR Act
Space Program

Wow I don't know how our government packed all of that into 238 years

Ivytalk wrote:Good article.

Is our Poli Board a "wasteland of orthodox, hyperpartisan attack dogs"?

That's putting it kindly.

kalm wrote:The problem with libertarianism is...

whether it's capitalized or not.

kalm wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Wut

Our government is 100% reactive and has been since 1812.

Slavery.

The end of which the government benefited heavily from

CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote:Child labor laws
40 hour work week
Glass Steagal
CCC
Interstate Highway Act
RR Act
Space Program

Wow I don't know how our government packed all of that into 238 years

If you'd like me to list more, I can. I just want you to know that I'm here for you anytime you need me.

kalm wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Wow I don't know how our government packed all of that into 238 years

If you'd like me to list more, I can. I just want you to know that I'm here for you anytime me.

kalm wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Wow I don't know how our government packed all of that into 238 years

If you'd like me to list more, I can. I just want you to know that I'm here for you anytime you need me.

ALL representative government is reactionary

You really are trying to suggest that the CCC was a triumph of foresight?

Child labor laws were not a reaction to conditions that had previously existed for hundreds of years?

Seriously nothing you listed can be held up as an exemplar of government foresight- even the space program was a political propaganda tool - if not for the Soviets we never would have tried the moon in that period

What about the internets?

CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote:
If you'd like me to list more, I can. I just want you to know that I'm here for you anytime you need me.

ALL representative government is reactionary

You really are trying to suggest that the CCC was a triumph of foresight?

Child labor laws were not a reaction to conditions that had previously existed for hundreds of years?

Seriously nothing you listed can be held up as an exemplar of government foresight- even the space program was a political propaganda tool - if not for the Soviets we never would have tried the moon in that period

The term "reactionary" was brought by you to the conversation in reply to a point I was making. If you weren't in such a hurry to talk past me, you might understand the conversation better.

For example, when would the market had gotten around to building Grand Coulee Dam?

I'd start with the notion that government sucks, but it does some good things ahead of when the market does...then go on from there. I'm here to help temper your neo liberalism...

CID1990 wrote:

kalm wrote:
If you'd like me to list more, I can. I just want you to know that I'm here for you anytime you need me.

ALL representative government is reactionary

You really are trying to suggest that the CCC was a triumph of foresight?

Child labor laws were not a reaction to conditions that had previously existed for hundreds of years?

Seriously nothing you listed can be held up as an exemplar of government foresight- even the space program was a political propaganda tool - if not for the Soviets we never would have tried the moon in that period

If anything the last 40 years of the US Space program proves that it was a Big Government dick measuring contest.


Maybe now its gone private, we can start to make some serious advancement in that spectrum.

kalm wrote:
For example, when would the market had gotten around to building Grand Coulee Dam?

Hey..!!!
Bombs before infrastructure
(there's no money in infrastructure)



Except toll roads

kalm wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
ALL representative government is reactionary

You really are trying to suggest that the CCC was a triumph of foresight?

Child labor laws were not a reaction to conditions that had previously existed for hundreds of years?

Seriously nothing you listed can be held up as an exemplar of government foresight- even the space program was a political propaganda tool - if not for the Soviets we never would have tried the moon in that period

The term "reactionary" was brought by you to the conversation in reply to a point I was making. If you weren't in such a hurry to talk past me, you might understand the conversation better.

For example, when would the market had gotten around to building Grand Coulee Dam?

I'd start with the notion that government sucks, but it does some good things ahead of when the market does...then go on from there. I'm here to help temper your neo liberalism...

No, you shoveled a load of horsecrap, got called on it for the sheer ridiculousness, and now you're playing the "you didn't understand what i was saying because Im so nuanced" game

government is 100% reactive-reactionary-whatever the hell you want to call it. it responds to events only and lately cannot even do THAT properly

your premise that our government is sometimes out ahead of markets is false- I really have no idea where this liberal love affair with government comes from