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Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:45 pm
by Cap'n Cat
Fuckin' right.....
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/07/justice/c ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chicago's police superintendent lashed out at what he called lax state and federal gun laws after a violent Fourth of July weekend that saw more than 60 people shot and nine killed in a city already known for frequent shootings.
"There has to come a tipping point where this changes," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said Monday of the violence. "The illogical nature of what's happening here -- that government can intercede and prevent this from happening is overwhelming. And I refuse to think otherwise in a great country like America that we can continue to allow this to happen -- not just on a state, but on a federal level."
McCarthy, reciting the criminal histories of several of the suspects in this weekend's violence, noted gang members face tougher consequences for losing their guns from their gangs than from authorities.
"Possession of a loaded firearm -- it's not even considered a violent felony in the state of Illinois for sentencing purposes -- which is why you see the revolving door," he said.
Among the suspects: a man wanted in connection with a murder who has 21 prior arrests, and another with six previous arrests, including one this year for aggravated assault for discharging a weapon.
"How this individual is out on bond is beyond me," McCarthy said.
The incidents include eight times in which police fired guns at suspects or were fired on, McCarthy told reporters. In two of those incidents, police shot and killed the suspects, both of whom were 16.
McCarthy said the violence unraveled a string of successes by police in suppressing gun violence this year. The city saw 21 shooting incidents on Sunday alone, he said, although three of them may have been self-inflicted.
Marlin Williams' niece Tonya Gunn was among the nine victims, killed in a drive-by shooting Sunday night while she was cooking food on the grill. Her 11-year-old daughter witnessed the shooting.
"I feel hurt," Williams said Monday. "I will never be able to see my niece again."
Reports: Dozens shot in Chicago
In 2013, 12 people died and 75 were injured during the four-day Independence Day holiday, according to CNN affiliate WLS.
The holiday shootings follow a week in which Chicago had 52 shooting incidents, according to Police Department statistics. This year, as of June 29, Chicago police had recorded 880 shooting incidents, an average of nearly five a day.
McCarthy said Monday, "It's Groundhog Day here in Chicago."
Mayor Rahm Emanuel called the violence "simply unacceptable" and said the city needs to go beyond policing and provide youths "alternatives to the street."
McCarthy said police will continue a summer program to flood high-violence areas with police, but he said that without stronger gun laws, police will continue to face an uphill battle.
"These offenders need to be held fully accountable for violent behavior to prevent them from ending up back on the street too soon," he said, adding, "There's too many guns coming in and too little punishment going out."
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Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:56 pm
by Cap'n Cat
Note to board NRA gun fucks - this guy is smarter than any of you'll ever be, so be careful how you respond.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:16 pm
by 93henfan
Couldn't agree more with the article. The problem is with weak illegal possession law and weak enforcement.
The problem is obviously not with the gun sales laws in Chicago, which are among the most strict in the country.
Chicago has a criminal problem; not a gun problem. If you could theoretically take away all guns on the planet, Chicago will still have a massive gang, violence, and murder problem. They should try to address the disease (poverty, poor education, lack of jobs, weak illegal gun enforcement) rather than the symptoms (violence, lawlessness).
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:45 pm
by Ibanez
93henfan wrote:Couldn't agree more with the article. The problem is with weak illegal possession law and weak enforcement.
The problem is obviously not with the gun sales laws in Chicago, which are among the most strict in the country.
Chicago has a criminal problem; not a gun problem. If you could theoretically take away all guns on the planet, Chicago will still have a massive gang, violence, and murder problem. They should try to address the disease (poverty, poor education, lack of jobs, weak illegal gun enforcement) rather than the symptoms (violence, lawlessness).
Well said.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:48 pm
by AZGrizFan
93henfan wrote:Couldn't agree more with the article. The problem is with weak illegal possession law and weak enforcement.
The problem is obviously not with the gun sales laws in Chicago, which are among the most strict in the country.
Chicago has a criminal problem; not a gun problem. If you could theoretically take away all guns on the planet, Chicago will still have a massive gang, violence, and murder problem. They should try to address the disease (poverty, poor education, lack of jobs, weak illegal gun enforcement) rather than the symptoms (violence, lawlessness).
Nah. Much more politically expedient to address a symptom.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:15 pm
by DSUrocks07
No blacks can buy guns. Problem solved. This bill will be cosponsored by Cap'n.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:18 pm
by DSUrocks07
On a serious note. Is having the Police Superintendent whining about the level of crime in his jurisdiction an indictment on his own job performance?
Especially if there's a criminal that they KNOW about who has 21 prior convictions. Sounds like someone isn't doing their job and wants to put the blame on others...typical.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:23 pm
by AZGrizFan
DSUrocks07 wrote:On a serious note. Is having the Police Superintendent whining about the level of crime in his jurisdiction an indictment on his own job performance?
Especially if there's a criminal that they KNOW about who has 21 prior convictions. Sounds like someone isn't doing their job and wants to put the blame on others...typical donk.
FIFY, 07.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:34 pm
by AZGrizFan
I am going to just leave this right here...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/mu ... latestnews" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A dramatic spike in the number of Americans with permits to carry concealed weapons coincides with an equally stark drop in violent crime, according to a new study, which Second Amendment advocates say makes the case that more guns can mean safer streets.
The study by the Crime Prevention Research Center found that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, up from 4.5 million in 2007. The 146 percent increase has come even as both murder and violent crime rates have dropped by 22 percent.
“When you allow people to carry concealed handguns, you see changes in the behavior of criminals," said the center’s president, John R. Lott, a Fox News contributor. “Some criminals stop committing crimes, others move on to crimes in which they don’t come into contact with victims and others actually move to areas where they have less fear of being confronted by armed victims.”
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:52 pm
by Ibanez
AZGrizFan wrote:I am going to just leave this right here...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/mu ... latestnews" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A dramatic spike in the number of Americans with permits to carry concealed weapons coincides with an equally stark drop in violent crime, according to a new study, which Second Amendment advocates say makes the case that more guns can mean safer streets.
The study by the Crime Prevention Research Center found that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, up from 4.5 million in 2007. The 146 percent increase has come even as both murder and violent crime rates have dropped by 22 percent.
“When you allow people to carry concealed handguns, you see changes in the behavior of criminals," said the center’s president, John R. Lott, a Fox News contributor. “Some criminals stop committing crimes, others move on to crimes in which they don’t come into contact with victims and others actually move to areas where they have less fear of being confronted by armed victims.”
You probably have seen the stat, I can't recall where but I saw a stat a while back that had a chart of gun related crimes with percentages of the gun being lawfully owned, stolen or owned illegally (i.e. felons) the lawfully owned was extremely less than the other two. Yet, guns are the problem.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:02 pm
by travelinman67
Let Cappy keep believing and preaching this idiocy. Even hardcore anti gun researchers have acknowledged gun control doesn't work.
You know, Cap'n, you might try studying why Americans find it so difficult to communicate civilly and respect the property, sovereignty and rights of others. It really isn't your "right" to patronizingly chastise people and tell them how to live.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:15 pm
by CAA Flagship
Meh. Let the herd thin itself.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:26 pm
by Col Hogan
The Chicago Police Superintendent is a political appointee...he is expected to parrot the company line of his political masters...and he does very effectively...
On the other hand, a survey of over 15,000 law enforcement officers says he's wrong...the guys and gals who daily go out among the unwashed masses say otherwise...
http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislatio ... spectives/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But what do they know...
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:08 pm
by ALPHAGRIZ1
Illinois, is a shithole, made by donks, run by donks and murdered by donks.
They deserve everything they get.
Anyone with a pulse knows if they would let people carry there crime would dry up like it is everywhere there isnt strict gun laws.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:24 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Chicago is the US front of the Mexican cartel war.
No gun laws are going to stop it. Less gun laws won't either. It's not an issue of guns at all.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:31 pm
by travelinman67
Skjellyfetti wrote:Chicago is the US front of the Mexican cartel war.
No gun laws are going to stop it. Less gun laws won't either. It's not an issue of guns at all.
WTF!! You lose your copy of the Donk Ideologue Guidebook?
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:17 pm
by ALPHAGRIZ1
Skjellyfetti wrote:Chicago is the US front of the Mexican cartel war.
No gun laws are going to stop it. Less gun laws won't either. It's not an issue of guns at all.
Wrong, more guns in legal owners hands and concealed......would COMPLETELY balance things out.
Everyone knows this but the left anti gun idiots.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:46 pm
by SDHornet
Cappy sure caught a lot of fish on this line. Well done man, well done.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:24 am
by 93henfan
SDHornet wrote:Cappy sure caught a lot of fish on this line. Well done man, well done.
Actually, the fish swallowed him.
It was a very large fish.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:50 am
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:Chicago is the US front of the Mexican cartel war.
No gun laws are going to stop it. Less gun laws won't either. It's not an issue of guns at all.
You've apparently never been to El Paso.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:25 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:Chicago is the US front of the Mexican cartel war.
No gun laws are going to stop it. Less gun laws won't either. It's not an issue of guns at all.
You've apparently never been to El Paso.
Huh? El Paso has an incredibly low crime rate. I haven't been to El Paso in a decade... but, I also haven't heard much about the Mexico cartels fighting over El Paso. Juarez, yes. Not El Paso.
El Paso has one of the lowest violent crime rates and murder rates of all the cities listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... crime_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mexican cartels and Chicago:
http://time.com/9963/el-chapo-joaquin-g ... l-chicago/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magaz ... oa-Cartel/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:33 pm
by AZGrizFan
El Paso...Juarez....the only thing "separating" them is a flimsy fence.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:00 pm
by travelinman67
AZGrizFan wrote:
El Paso...Juarez....the only thing "separating" them is a flimsy fence.
This may be a first, but Jellydonut is correct. El Paso has been relatively untouched by the gangs.
When El Chapo Guzman was captured a few months back, the Federales/DEA recovered computer records which indicated Chicago was MS13's US operational
Before you toast yourself, Jelly, the majority of Chicago's violence IS NOT connected with MS13, but rather resulting from regional community gangs or localized Latin King affiliates...and btw, Emmanuel has been withholding stats for the past two years (...the federally mandated NIBRS data)...so, oversight of the city's response is non-existent.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:24 pm
by AZGrizFan
travelinman67 wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
El Paso...Juarez....the only thing "separating" them is a flimsy fence.
This may be a first, but Jellydonut is correct. El Paso has been relatively untouched by the gangs.
When El Chapo Guzman was captured a few months back, the Federales/DEA recovered computer records which indicated Chicago was MS13's US operational
Before you toast yourself, Jelly, the majority of Chicago's violence IS NOT connected with MS13, but rather resulting from regional community gangs or localized Latin King affiliates...and btw, Emmanuel has been withholding stats for the past two years (...the federally mandated NIBRS data)...so, oversight of the city's response is non-existent.
Well good for analjelly and good for Chicago, but differentiating between El Paso & Juarez because of the fence that runs between them is ludicrous.
Re: Chicago Chief: Holiday Violence Due to Weak Gun Laws
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:35 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:
Well good for analjelly and good for Chicago, but differentiating between El Paso & Juarez because of the fence that runs between them is ludicrous.
Why? They really are night and day.
El Paso is one of the safest cities in the United States. Juarez is one of the most dangerous cities in the World.
There is an astronomical difference between the two sides of the border.