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Hey guys, sorry I haven't been posting here in a while, I've been really busy attempting to feed my family, and when I'm not working my fingers to the bone I've been working on a video series on the Global Warming con-job scam.

So, if you believe in "climate change" well, you're right. The climate has in fact always changed, the Earth's temperature has in fact never remained the same temperature. During the Medieval Warm Period, and during the Roman warm period, temperatures were much warmer than they are currently today. As we know, the Romans didn't have factories, so man-made global warming could not have been the cause for the warmer temperatures.

In fact, if you look at historic records, we are currently exiting a little ice age, and the Earth is of course slowly warming. But this is nothing to be alarmed about of course.

Of course, many of the great ice ages on Earth have begun when CO2 levels were thousands of times higher than they are today, a reality Global warming and climate change fear mongers don't want people to know about.

During the warm periods of not-so distant past, Greenland had deep graves where viking bodies could be burried (no it's permafrost and impossible) and crops grew- Grapes grew further north than is now possible, because of the warmer temps.

The scary thing about this natural process is scientists want to spray Sulfuric Acid and other substances into the sky- causing it to be white all the time - this is admitted, in order to stop any sort of temperature fluctuation on Earth.

That is basically where I am coming from with this series, it attempts to show people what a massive con-job Climate change is and that just as far back as 1978 we were being told we were heading into another Ice Age.

Check it out guys, share the video if you find it interersting. Looking forward to a discussion on what people think regarding Climate Change and "Global Warming".. is it caused by CO2? Are humans responsible? or is it just the same thing that has happened for the entire history of the Earth? Temperature fluctuations because of the Earth's rotation/Sun Cycles and other factors?

The Global Warming fear monger crowd also likes to "not mention" That Mars and Pluto were warming at about the same rate Earth was when it was warming, and in fact, in the last 14 or so years the temperature hasn't changed at all- Not to mention the cataclysmic estimates of sea-level rise never panned out.

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If you believe in global warming, you owe it to yourself to watch this video, if you don't believe in global warming, you are going to absolutely love this video and share it with your friends.

But wait. We just had a thunderstorm pass through this afternoon. Surely this is because of global warming.

the lefties tried to change the name again...they tried Climate Disruption

It didn't catch on because the people have caught on


Daniel Moynihan told Nixon that if nothing was done on global warming/climate change/climate disruption, the seas would rise by 10 or 20 feet by the year 2000. Is NY City, Miami, New Orleans, LA and San Fran would be under water.

http://www.ocregister.com/arti.." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

There is little argument that the climate is in flux...it always is...

That's why we have events like the Little Ice Age from around 1300 to 1600 or so...I doubt the cars of that day contributed much to the Climate Change then...

The debate is over how much our carbon fuel consumption, our cow farts, etc, contributes to this natural cycle...

expandspanos wrote:Hey guys, sorry I haven't been posting here in a while

it's quite alright

I'm with spanos on this one. Climate is not an overly well understood system and when you fvck with things like that the law of unintended consequences tends to come into play and you can create an even bigger problem than you had to start out with.

Col Hogan wrote:There is little argument that the climate is in flux...it always is...

That's why we have events like the Little Ice Age from around 1300 to 1600 or so...I doubt the cars of that day contributed much to the Climate Change then...

The debate is over how much our carbon fuel consumption, our cow farts, etc, contributes to this natural cycle...

This is the whole damn thing ^ in a nutshell

I could hug you (you old fart)

Skjellyfetti wrote:

expandspanos wrote:Hey guys, sorry I haven't been posting here in a while

it's quite alright

lawl

Much like you I work too, so forgive me, I don't have the time to address all of your points. I will get the ones that I know off the top of my head.

expandspanos wrote: Grapes grew further north than is now possible, because of the warmer temps.

This is patently false and I have told you this before. There are operating vineyards further north in England than the Romans ever grew grapes. Also, the Romans visited Norway, why didn't they grow grapes? There's a vineyard there today, BTW.

The Global Warming fear monger crowd also likes to "not mention" That Mars and Pluto were warming at about the same rate Earth was when it was warming,

Actually they do. The viking probes have shown that globally, Mars has been cooling since the 1970's, most likely due to the massive dust storms. The data you are referring to is two individual data points, over the span of 22 years, on one single section of Mars. Second, an entire year for pluto is 248 earth years. The data that you're looking at for Pluto is from two individual data points, taken 14 earth years apart (or just a few weeks Pluto time). SO, if you're willing to trust two data points from such a short period of time without actually looking into what they mean, I must question why do you discredit thousands/millions of global data points so willy nilly?


Alright, time to get back to my government funded scientist job where I've already made up the data so that I can get more funding while deriding the public for their ignorance. SCIENCE!

And away spandos runs. Three more weeks until he returns thinking we have forgotten this DJ post! The OldSchoolBirdFan Law of Posting Nonsense.

I see the word "chemtrail" in your video titles... instant disqualification from anything credible. Sorry Spandos.

I think the cheese slid off your cracker.

Welcome back Spanos! I missed your postings.

JMU DJ wrote:Much like you I work too, so forgive me, I don't have the time to address all of your points. I will get the ones that I know off the top of my head.

expandspanos wrote: Grapes grew further north than is now possible, because of the warmer temps.

This is patently false and I have told you this before. There are operating vineyards further north in England than the Romans ever grew grapes. Also, the Romans visited Norway, why didn't they grow grapes? There's a vineyard there today, BTW.

The Global Warming fear monger crowd also likes to "not mention" That Mars and Pluto were warming at about the same rate Earth was when it was warming,

Actually they do. The viking probes have shown that globally, Mars has been cooling since the 1970's, most likely due to the massive dust storms. The data you are referring to is two individual data points, over the span of 22 years, on one single section of Mars. Second, an entire year for pluto is 248 earth years. The data that you're looking at for Pluto is from two individual data points, taken 14 earth years apart (or just a few weeks Pluto time). SO, if you're willing to trust two data points from such a short period of time without actually looking into what they mean, I must question why do you discredit thousands/millions of global data points so willy nilly?


Alright, time to get back to my government funded scientist job where I've already made up the data so that I can get more funding while deriding the public for their ignorance. SCIENCE!

I saw a map like that recently, except that it was a graphic of how far the Proclaimers would actually run. Did you know that you cannot run 1000 miles from Edinburgh in any direction without getting on a ferry?

CID1990 wrote:

I saw a map like that recently, except that it was a graphic of how far the Proclaimers would actually run. Did you know that you cannot run 1000 miles from Edinburgh in any direction without getting on a ferry?

You crack me up...

andy7171 wrote:And away spandos runs. Three more weeks until he returns thinking we have forgotten this DJ post! The OldSchoolBirdFan Law of Posting Nonsense.

Damn DJ and his posts. Spanos should be chased away with things like this.



or this



or this

God bless HI5!

JMU DJ wrote: Second, an entire year for pluto is 248 earth years. The data that you're looking at for Pluto is from two individual data points, taken 14 earth years apart (or just a few weeks Pluto time).

Wait, I though Pluto was on Eastern Standard Time.

CAA Flagship wrote:

JMU DJ wrote: Second, an entire year for pluto is 248 earth years. The data that you're looking at for Pluto is from two individual data points, taken 14 earth years apart (or just a few weeks Pluto time).

Wait, I though Pluto was on Eastern Standard Time. :kiss wink:

At Disney World, he is...but at Disney Land he's on WcB Time...

CID1990 wrote:
I saw a map like that recently, except that it was a graphic of how far the Proclaimers would actually run. Did you know that you cannot run 1000 miles from Edinburgh in any direction without getting on a ferry?

I too saw said map

JMU DJ wrote:Much like you I work too, so forgive me, I don't have the time to address all of your points. I will get the ones that I know off the top of my head.

expandspanos wrote: Grapes grew further north than is now possible, because of the warmer temps.

This is patently false and I have told you this before. There are operating vineyards further north in England than the Romans ever grew grapes. Also, the Romans visited Norway, why didn't they grow grapes? There's a vineyard there today, BTW.

First off- Your map is all wrong- You put Yorkshire too far south and put Ryedale Vineyard too far North.. will you admit that? Please fix it before attempting to debunk.

You used an example of the Furthest north Vineyard you could find today, using a varietal of grape not around during Roman Times, and made a fake map congratulations... Not really proving a point, just pointing out an extreme case, and how cross-breading and selecting genetics during modern times has increased plant hardiness..

"Ryedale Vineyards are the largest vineyards in the north of England, and currently the most northerly commercial vineyards in the UK."

They grow "sparkling wine" which is white wine- aka not the same type of grapes the Romans grew-

Besides, I'm not sure why you're arguing with me on this point, it is widely understood that the Britain of Roman times was warmer than it is now.. are you denying this? It's a well-known fact... Sorry buddy.

"In Roman times, Britain had a slightly warmer climate than now; and, with 500 to 600mm of rain a year, Northamptonshire is at the lower end of the British precipitation range, which would have meant fewer fungal problems. The area would therefore have been suitable for grape production."

So, once again.. are you saying it was colder during Roman Times in Britain that it was today? Just curious?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 38723.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, olives grew further north on the Rhine than they can now - as far North as Bonn (they can't grow olives there anymore.. too cold).. so, feel free to debunk that one.



I noticed that you didn't attempt to debunk the fact that Greenland was warm enough to grow grapes and barley and bury bodies under the permafrost that prohibits growing crops and burying bodies in deep graves now?.. That's funny, guess you missed those points.

JMU DJ wrote:The Global Warming fear monger crowd also likes to "not mention" That Mars and Pluto were warming at about the same rate Earth was when it was warming,

Actually they do. The viking probes have shown that globally, Mars has been cooling since the 1970's, most likely due to the massive dust storms. The data you are referring to is two individual data points, over the span of 22 years, on one single section of Mars. Second, an entire year for pluto is 248 earth years. The data that you're looking at for Pluto is from two individual data points, taken 14 earth years apart (or just a few weeks Pluto time). SO, if you're willing to trust two data points from such a short period of time without actually looking into what they mean, I must question why do you discredit thousands/millions of global data points so willy nilly?

How do you know which data points I'm talking about? It's a fact that Pluto and Mars warmed at about the same rate Earth did.. Are you saying that solar cycles have nothing to do with how warm it is on Earth? Solar activity has no influence on the Earth's temperature? I'm just curious if that's the point you're making.

Also, regarding CO2 (also known as plant food).. There have been much higher levels of it in the atmosphere during periods where we went into Ice Ages.. you think that's the driver behind "Global Warming" though, right?

Global Warming Fear Mongers like yourself are now telling us all we need to get our skies sprayed by aircraft as the "solution" to this natural fluctuation in temperature we are experiencing - proposing pumping Sulfuric Acid into the Ionosphere using aircraft.. Sounds like kind of a psycho plan to me.

The Irony is this: To "Solve Global Warming" We are supposed to pump a global warming source of pollution into the atmosphere to cloud our sky 24/7- blocking the sun and destroying all plant growth on Earth.. Surely you realize how completely insane this idea is?

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And Spanker returns fire...

Hold on to your hats boys!

expandspanos wrote:

JMU DJ wrote:Much like you I work too, so forgive me, I don't have the time to address all of your points. I will get the ones that I know off the top of my head.



This is patently false and I have told you this before. There are operating vineyards further north in England than the Romans ever grew grapes. Also, the Romans visited Norway, why didn't they grow grapes? There's a vineyard there today, BTW.

First off- Your map is all wrong- You put Yorkshire too far south and put Ryedale Vineyard too far North.. will you admit that? Please fix it before attempting to debunk.

You used an example of the Furthest north Vineyard you could find today, using a varietal of grape not around during Roman Times, and made a fake map congratulations... Not really proving a point, just pointing out an extreme case, and how cross-breading and selecting genetics during modern times has increased plant hardiness..

"Ryedale Vineyards are the largest vineyards in the north of England, and currently the most northerly commercial vineyards in the UK."

They grow "sparkling wine" which is white wine- aka not the same type of grapes the Romans grew-

Besides, I'm not sure why you're arguing with me on this point, it is widely understood that the Britain of Roman times was warmer than it is now.. are you denying this? It's a well-known fact... Sorry buddy.

"In Roman times, Britain had a slightly warmer climate than now; and, with 500 to 600mm of rain a year, Northamptonshire is at the lower end of the British precipitation range, which would have meant fewer fungal problems. The area would therefore have been suitable for grape production."

So, once again.. are you saying it was colder during Roman Times in Britain that it was today? Just curious?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 38723.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also, olives grew further north on the Rhine than they can now - as far North as Bonn (they can't grow olives there anymore.. too cold).. so, feel free to debunk that one.



I noticed that you didn't attempt to debunk the fact that Greenland was warm enough to grow grapes and barley and bury bodies under the permafrost that prohibits growing crops and burying bodies in deep graves now?.. That's funny, guess you missed those points.

JMU DJ wrote:The Global Warming fear monger crowd also likes to "not mention" That Mars and Pluto were warming at about the same rate Earth was when it was warming,

Actually they do. The viking probes have shown that globally, Mars has been cooling since the 1970's, most likely due to the massive dust storms. The data you are referring to is two individual data points, over the span of 22 years, on one single section of Mars. Second, an entire year for pluto is 248 earth years. The data that you're looking at for Pluto is from two individual data points, taken 14 earth years apart (or just a few weeks Pluto time). SO, if you're willing to trust two data points from such a short period of time without actually looking into what they mean, I must question why do you discredit thousands/millions of global data points so willy nilly?

How do you know which data points I'm talking about? It's a fact that Pluto and Mars warmed at about the same rate Earth did.. Are you saying that solar cycles have nothing to do with how warm it is on Earth? Solar activity has no influence on the Earth's temperature? I'm just curious if that's the point you're making.

Also, regarding CO2 (also known as plant food).. There have been much higher levels of it in the atmosphere during periods where we went into Ice Ages.. you think that's the driver behind "Global Warming" though, right?

Global Warming Fear Mongers like yourself are now telling us all we need to get our skies sprayed by aircraft as the "solution" to this natural fluctuation in temperature we are experiencing - proposing pumping Sulfuric Acid into the Ionosphere using aircraft.. Sounds like kind of a psycho plan to me.

The Irony is this: To "Solve Global Warming" We are supposed to pump a global warming source of pollution into the atmosphere to cloud our sky 24/7- blocking the sun and destroying all plant growth on Earth.. Surely you realize how completely insane this idea is?

I can't get that fucking Proclaimers song out of my head every time I open this thread.