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"Recapture Canyon Showdown With BLM

Recapture Canyon in Utah is shaping up to be the next big showdown with the Bureau of Land Management – BLM.The Blanding area nature area is part of an escalating and lengthy dispute between the federal government and a host of local citizens. The angst revolves around the “closed to motorized use” policy instituted along an 11-mile stretch of the canyon.

On Saturday, a protest expected to draw a large number of folks from around the country is scheduled to take place. An ATV ride along the muscle-powered only portion of Recapture Canyon will begin during the early morning hours.

Those opposed to the BLM oversight over millions of acres of public land plan to attend even if they cannot hop onto a 4-wheeler seat and join the ride. The BLM wields power over about 460 million acres of the 2.27 billion acres of land in the United States of America, including a reported 57.4 percent of all the land in the state of Utah. The battle with the BLM in Utah comes on the heels of the highly publicized fight at the Bundy ranch in Nevada.....

.....San Juan County officials have been arguing with the BLM about Recapture Canyon for more than 10 years. During the past two years, the debate has been focused on the control of right of way channels in the canyon. The ATV and dirt bike trails were ordered closed by the BLM after two men were arrested for making trails complete with stiles, berms, and bridges in the canyon. BLM officials maintain that the infrastructure maneuvered through “archeological sites.”

The two Blanding area men were arrested for causing part of the damage, but public support was heavily on their side. Hundreds of people showed up for a Recapture walk in their support and in an effort to raise money for their fines in 2011. The BLM hosted a meeting with the Utah attorney general’s office, the FBI, San Juan County Sheriff Rick Eldredge, and the Utah Department of Public Safety to discuss the possible response to the civil disobedience protest planned in Blanding. “It was decided that, at the end of the day, it is not worth it to spill any blood,” Sheriff Eldredge told the Denver Post.....

.....Approximately 90 percent of the land in San Juan County has either been designated as public land or belonging to the Navajo Nation. BLM employees in the county have allegedly had ATVs ride across their lawns during the middle of the night and had “windows shot out of their homes. “It is fair to say that the vast majority of people here are frustrated with the federal presence here,” lifelong Blanding area resident Bill Boyle told the San Juan Record. Environmental groups such as the Great Old Broads for Wildreness and the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance are angry that the BLM approved a proposal to permit “limited” motorized access to the northern side of the canyon....."
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They should be real careful, cops are becoming more militarized every day and there is a growing tendency to not leave the other side of the story in any condition to tell their side of the story.

Having just spent 6 days floating Desolation Canyon, about 100 miles north of there, all I can say is thank God the land isn't in the hands of dumbass, greedy conks. There'd be oil rigs all the way up to the edge of the canyon.









Fuck conks.

Well, they're right about the archaeological sites. That canyon and canyons all around Blanding are full of sites... and Blanding is notorious for looters.

Skjellyfetti wrote:Well, they're right about the archaeological sites. That canyon and canyons all around Blanding are full of sites... and Blanding is notorious for looters.

The locals want to protect their tax free side gig.

The defenders of clueless anti-Americanism, Jellyklamazzledawg, weigh in...

...to defend govt. confiscation of land that belongs to, "you and me".

travelinman67 wrote:The defenders of clueless anti-Americanism, Jellyklamazzledawg, weigh in...

...to defend govt. confiscation of land that belongs to, "you and me".

We'll shoot...if it belongs to you and me, I say no motorized vehicles on it. Now...if only we had an organization that represented all of us and mediated the useage...

travelinman67 wrote:The defenders of clueless anti-Americanism, Jellyklamazzledawg, weigh in...

...to defend govt. confiscation of land that belongs to, "you and me".

Well yes and no...
Yes the feds did a HUGE land grab between the turn of the century and about 1935
and converted huge potions of public lands into Federal Lands - so yes - it used to be the peoples

But:
were that still the case, it would now likely be the Oil Companies and the Strip mining companies land
as they are just as savvy at stealing things as the U.S> Government is


So it's kinda 6 of this 1/2 dozen of that...

Chizzang wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:The defenders of clueless anti-Americanism, Jellyklamazzledawg, weigh in...

...to defend govt. confiscation of land that belongs to, "you and me".

Well yes and no...
Yes the feds did a HUGE land grab between the turn of the century and about 1935
and converted huge potions of public lands into Federal Lands - so yes - it used to be the peoples

But:
were that still the case, it would now likely be the Oil Companies and the Strip mining companies land
as they are just as savvy at stealing things as the U.S> Government is


So it's kinda 6 of this 1/2 dozen of that...

Except the federal government is more beholden to you and me...theoretically...

kalm wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Well yes and no...
Yes the feds did a HUGE land grab between the turn of the century and about 1935
and converted huge potions of public lands into Federal Lands - so yes - it used to be the peoples

But:
were that still the case, it would now likely be the Oil Companies and the Strip mining companies land
as they are just as savvy at stealing things as the U.S> Government is


So it's kinda 6 of this 1/2 dozen of that...

Except the federal government is more beholden to you and me...theoretically...

I think SCOTUS made a change there...

kalm wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Well yes and no...
Yes the feds did a HUGE land grab between the turn of the century and about 1935
and converted huge potions of public lands into Federal Lands - so yes - it used to be the peoples

But:
were that still the case, it would now likely be the Oil Companies and the Strip mining companies land
as they are just as savvy at stealing things as the U.S> Government is


So it's kinda 6 of this 1/2 dozen of that...

Except the federal government is more beholden to you and me...theoretically...

How sweet. Now be sure to brush well before bed tonight and the tooth fairy will ride in on her unicorn tonight and leave you a shiny new quarter.

BDKJMU wrote:"
The BLM wields power over about 460 million acres of the 2.27 billion acres of land in the United States of America, including a reported 57.4 percent of all the land in the state of Utah.

I think this is more about people in Utah getting tired of stupid shit coming from the Feds and they control more of the sate the the state does. There is no rime or reason to their decisions and they think it is final. I have no problems with discussions about stuff but the blm/feds have too much power in Utah. There are lots of mountain bike trails they have closed and other offroad/motorized areas that have no reason being closed. I am all for keeping our outdoors in good shape so we can use them but we need to be able TOO USE them.

A few years ago I decided I am not going to follow the no motorized access bullshit anymore. Lakes I have motorcycles into for decades are now closed and every year it gets worse. I am done, I will ride where I want when I want and if some BLM or F&G guy wants to go at it he better pack a lunch because I am not going to allow them to do their job.

Fuck these cocksuckers that stop us from accessing our land.

It's not like they've closed off all BLM land to off road vehicles.

The issue is a single fucking road with many fragile archaeological sites that are thousands of years old.

Skjellyfetti wrote:It's not like they've closed off all BLM land to off road vehicles.

The issue is a single fucking road with many fragile archaeological sites that are thousands of years old.

It's NOT just one road...I spend A LOT of time in the wilderness and EVERY ONE of the OHV areas we used to use have been closed. They're closing off areas so fast, the maps aren't getting updated for up to two years after the closure. I've been scouting areas in the central Sierras for this fall's hunting trip, generally checking with local fire stations, and they generally don't know, a lot of "carve outs" that only the rangers know...

...kinda like they're creating enforcement "traps".

Who'd a thunk?

It's about money and power, not stewardship.

Skjellyfetti wrote:It's not like they've closed off all BLM land to off road vehicles.

The issue is a single fucking road with many fragile archaeological sites that are thousands of years old.

The same argument is used to stay out of ANWAR.......if there was ever a place to drill, that is the place to do it fro crying out loud.

One mans junk is another mans treasure. They should be willing to work with everyone down there and they are not, that is the issue. Just like TMan said, they want control and want to exercise it.

travelinman67 wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:It's not like they've closed off all BLM land to off road vehicles.

The issue is a single fucking road with many fragile archaeological sites that are thousands of years old.

It's NOT just one road...I spend A LOT of time in the wilderness and EVERY ONE of the OHV areas we used to use have been closed. They're closing off areas so fast, the maps aren't getting updated for up to two years after the closure. I've been scouting areas in the central Sierras for this fall's hunting trip, generally checking with local fire stations, and they generally don't know, a lot of "carve outs" that only the rangers know...

...kinda like they're creating enforcement "traps".

Who'd a thunk?

It's about money and power, not stewardship.

Exactly

Grizalltheway wrote:Having just spent 6 days floating Desolation Canyon, about 100 miles north of there, all I can say is thank God the land isn't in the hands of dumbass, greedy conks. There'd be oil rigs all the way up to the edge of the canyon.

**** conks.

Silly donk, If you drove or flew to get there then that fuel came from an oil rig. If it was't for conks your dumb liberal donk azz would have had to walk or ride a bike all the way to Eastern Utah to get there..

Fucking donks

travelinman67 wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:It's not like they've closed off all BLM land to off road vehicles.

The issue is a single **** road with many fragile archaeological sites that are thousands of years old.

It's NOT just one road...I spend A LOT of time in the wilderness and EVERY ONE of the OHV areas we used to use have been closed. They're closing off areas so fast, the maps aren't getting updated for up to two years after the closure. I've been scouting areas in the central Sierras for this fall's hunting trip, generally checking with local fire stations, and they generally don't know, a lot of "carve outs" that only the rangers know...

...kinda like they're creating enforcement "traps".

Who'd a thunk?

It's about money and power, not stewardship.

yes you do!

travelinman67 wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:It's not like they've closed off all BLM land to off road vehicles.

The issue is a single **** road with many fragile archaeological sites that are thousands of years old.

It's NOT just one road...I spend A LOT of time in the wilderness and EVERY ONE of the OHV areas we used to use have been closed. They're closing off areas so fast, the maps aren't getting updated for up to two years after the closure. I've been scouting areas in the central Sierras for this fall's hunting trip, generally checking with local fire stations, and they generally don't know, a lot of "carve outs" that only the rangers know...

...kinda like they're creating enforcement "traps".

Who'd a thunk?

It's about money and power, not stewardship.

Government is about money and power? No shit?

SPandos..? is that you

BDKJMU wrote:"Recapture Canyon Showdown With BLM

Recapture Canyon in Utah is shaping up to be the next big showdown with the Bureau of Land Management – BLM.The Blanding area nature area is part of an escalating and lengthy dispute between the federal government and a host of local citizens. The angst revolves around the “closed to motorized use” policy instituted along an 11-mile stretch of the canyon.

On Saturday, a protest expected to draw a large number of folks from around the country is scheduled to take place. An ATV ride along the muscle-powered only portion of Recapture Canyon will begin during the early morning hours.

Those opposed to the BLM oversight over millions of acres of public land plan to attend even if they cannot hop onto a 4-wheeler seat and join the ride. The BLM wields power over about 460 million acres of the 2.27 billion acres of land in the United States of America, including a reported 57.4 percent of all the land in the state of Utah. The battle with the BLM in Utah comes on the heels of the highly publicized fight at the Bundy ranch in Nevada.....

.....San Juan County officials have been arguing with the BLM about Recapture Canyon for more than 10 years. During the past two years, the debate has been focused on the control of right of way channels in the canyon. The ATV and dirt bike trails were ordered closed by the BLM after two men were arrested for making trails complete with stiles, berms, and bridges in the canyon. BLM officials maintain that the infrastructure maneuvered through “archeological sites.”

The two Blanding area men were arrested for causing part of the damage, but public support was heavily on their side. Hundreds of people showed up for a Recapture walk in their support and in an effort to raise money for their fines in 2011. The BLM hosted a meeting with the Utah attorney general’s office, the FBI, San Juan County Sheriff Rick Eldredge, and the Utah Department of Public Safety to discuss the possible response to the civil disobedience protest planned in Blanding. “It was decided that, at the end of the day, it is not worth it to spill any blood,” Sheriff Eldredge told the Denver Post.....

.....Approximately 90 percent of the land in San Juan County has either been designated as public land or belonging to the Navajo Nation. BLM employees in the county have allegedly had ATVs ride across their lawns during the middle of the night and had “windows shot out of their homes. “It is fair to say that the vast majority of people here are frustrated with the federal presence here,” lifelong Blanding area resident Bill Boyle told the San Juan Record. Environmental groups such as the Great Old Broads for Wildreness and the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance are angry that the BLM approved a proposal to permit “limited” motorized access to the northern side of the canyon....."
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Why do you care? Don't you live in southeast PA? And what is your suggested alternative? Get rid of the BLM? Sell the land to private ownership?

Then you will come on here and bitch that the new owner put up a fence and no nobody can use the land.

BlueHen86 wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:"Recapture Canyon Showdown With BLM

Recapture Canyon in Utah is shaping up to be the next big showdown with the Bureau of Land Management – BLM.The Blanding area nature area is part of an escalating and lengthy dispute between the federal government and a host of local citizens. The angst revolves around the “closed to motorized use” policy instituted along an 11-mile stretch of the canyon.

On Saturday, a protest expected to draw a large number of folks from around the country is scheduled to take place. An ATV ride along the muscle-powered only portion of Recapture Canyon will begin during the early morning hours.

Those opposed to the BLM oversight over millions of acres of public land plan to attend even if they cannot hop onto a 4-wheeler seat and join the ride. The BLM wields power over about 460 million acres of the 2.27 billion acres of land in the United States of America, including a reported 57.4 percent of all the land in the state of Utah. The battle with the BLM in Utah comes on the heels of the highly publicized fight at the Bundy ranch in Nevada.....

.....San Juan County officials have been arguing with the BLM about Recapture Canyon for more than 10 years. During the past two years, the debate has been focused on the control of right of way channels in the canyon. The ATV and dirt bike trails were ordered closed by the BLM after two men were arrested for making trails complete with stiles, berms, and bridges in the canyon. BLM officials maintain that the infrastructure maneuvered through “archeological sites.”

The two Blanding area men were arrested for causing part of the damage, but public support was heavily on their side. Hundreds of people showed up for a Recapture walk in their support and in an effort to raise money for their fines in 2011. The BLM hosted a meeting with the Utah attorney general’s office, the FBI, San Juan County Sheriff Rick Eldredge, and the Utah Department of Public Safety to discuss the possible response to the civil disobedience protest planned in Blanding. “It was decided that, at the end of the day, it is not worth it to spill any blood,” Sheriff Eldredge told the Denver Post.....

.....Approximately 90 percent of the land in San Juan County has either been designated as public land or belonging to the Navajo Nation. BLM employees in the county have allegedly had ATVs ride across their lawns during the middle of the night and had “windows shot out of their homes. “It is fair to say that the vast majority of people here are frustrated with the federal presence here,” lifelong Blanding area resident Bill Boyle told the San Juan Record. Environmental groups such as the Great Old Broads for Wildreness and the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance are angry that the BLM approved a proposal to permit “limited” motorized access to the northern side of the canyon....."
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Why do you care? Don't you live in southeast PA? And what is your suggested alternative? Get rid of the BLM? Sell the land to private ownership?

Then you will come on here and bitch that the new owner put up a fence and no nobody can use the land.

This! And how about hoping for a reasonable compromise instead of wishing for a "showdown"?

...Approximately 90 percent of the land in San Juan County has either been designated as public land or belonging to the Navajo Nation.

And, this is misleading as hell.

I bet that the Navajo reservation makes up the majority of that 90%... but, they lump it in with government land to make it sound worse than it is.

I mean, surely they're not advocating seizing land from one of the largest reservations still remaining... to ride their ATVs?