Page 1 of 1
WARNING: Don't drive with hands at 10 and 2
Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 4:29 pm
by Skjellyfetti
It makes you suspicious and is grounds to stop you and search your vehicle.
Also, don't have acne. It makes you a suspected methamphetamine addict.
A federal appeals court just ruled that the police have a legal right to stop, search and arrest you for innocent behavior including driving with your hands at the ten-and-two position on the steering wheel at 7:45 p.m., taking a scenic route and having acne.
To the Tenth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, these factors added up to fit the profile of a person smuggling undocumented immigrants and drugs. The court said, "Although the factors, in isolation, may be consistent with innocent travel ... taken together they may amount to reasonable suspicion."
In other words, the police can now stop you for no reason at all. Law enforcement just needs to add a sinister context to your behavior, and off you go to jail. The court endorsed this expansion of aggressive police behavior in USA v. Cindy Lee Westhoven, No. 13-2065.
The officer said he spotted the car because "her arms were 'straight and locked out' at a 'ten-and-two position on the steering wheel,' -- as everyone is taught in driver's ed in high school. He was also suspicious because the road was used primarily by locals in New Mexico, and Westhoven had Arizona plates. She had acne scarring, "indicating to him she might be a methamphetamine user." He also thought the shopping was better in Tucson than Douglas, so this was also "suspicious."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-bod ... 23918.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: WARNING: Don't drive with hands at 10 and 2
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:26 am
by 89Hen
The officer said he spotted the car because "her arms were 'straight and locked out' at a 'ten-and-two position on the steering wheel,' -- as everyone is taught in driver's ed in high school
Maybe being a little nit-picky, but the author of the article is taking a little liberty here and clearly hasn't been in driver's ed in a while. As the father of two new drivers I know that they no longer teach 10 and 2 because of airbag deployment.
Re: WARNING: Don't drive with hands at 10 and 2
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:37 am
by OL FU
I'm not so bothered by the law enforcement person, he is just one of many. but doesn't it sound like the court is saying something along the lines that you can be pulled over for getting in your car,,,,,,, or leaving your house,,,,, or waking up in the morning
and people are confused that Rand Paul has traction with a lot of people
Re: WARNING: Don't drive with hands at 10 and 2
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:44 pm
by Skjellyfetti
OL FU wrote:
and people are confused that Rand Paul has traction with a lot of people
I mean, I am on board with Rand Paul on most of his social liberalism.
Re: WARNING: Don't drive with hands at 10 and 2
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 3:20 pm
by AZGrizFan
89Hen wrote:The officer said he spotted the car because "her arms were 'straight and locked out' at a 'ten-and-two position on the steering wheel,' -- as everyone is taught in driver's ed in high school
Maybe being a little nit-picky, but the author of the article is taking a little liberty here and clearly hasn't been in driver's ed in a while. As the father of two new drivers I know that they no longer teach 10 and 2 because of airbag deployment.
Correct....now they teach 9 and 3.
Re: WARNING: Don't drive with hands at 10 and 2
Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:33 pm
by CID1990
all this from the guy who two threads back said
RELAX (frankie blows to hollywood)
theres so much alarmism and exaggeration in that link i dont have the energy or gumption to begin