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The Atheist Premise:

1) There is no compelling evidence that God exists
2)
3)

John please fill in the rest because this is all we've got so far
You seem to know something that nobody else on this forum knows

Chizzy, an agnostic could make that definition fit.

Doubts= lack of compelling evidence

Chizzang wrote:The Atheist Premise:

1) There is no compelling evidence that God exists
2)
3)

John please fill in the rest because this is all we've got so far
You seem to know something that nobody else on this forum knows

2)This has got to stop
3) It really does

Ivytalk wrote:Chizzy, an agnostic could make that definition fit.

Doubts= lack of compelling evidence

My thought as well.
Agnostics aren't sure if there is a God, Atheists are sure that there isn't.

houndawg wrote:

Chizzang wrote:The Atheist Premise:

1) There is no compelling evidence that God exists
2)
3)

John please fill in the rest because this is all we've got so far
You seem to know something that nobody else on this forum knows

2)This has got to stop
3) It really does

Well done.
It really is.

BlueHen86 wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:Chizzy, an agnostic could make that definition fit.

Doubts= lack of compelling evidence

My thought as well.
Agnostics aren't sure if there is a God, Atheists are sure that there isn't.

Hmmm...
I haven't experienced many - yes a few - but not many Atheists who just blurt out "There is no god, period"
Mostly they say: "If there were any evidence of God I'd change my mind in a minute"
and they seem to settle on: "There is just no evidence to support it"



and when I say things like:
"What about the virtually universal human experience where so many people "feel god"..?
This is followed with: "That's not evidence that's a shameless wanton delusion..."
or something equally as soul crushing

Chizzang wrote:The Atheist Premise:

1) There is no compelling evidence that God exists
2)
3)

John please fill in the rest because this is all we've got so far
You seem to know something that nobody else on this forum knows

Does the principle apply to things that are not considered supernatural?

For example, how many atheists are "agnostic" about alternate universes when there is no real compelling evidence that they exist?

Pwns wrote:

Chizzang wrote:The Atheist Premise:

1) There is no compelling evidence that God exists
2)
3)

John please fill in the rest because this is all we've got so far
You seem to know something that nobody else on this forum knows

Does the principle apply to things that are not considered supernatural?

For example, how many atheists are "agnostic" about alternate universes when there is no real compelling evidence that they exist?

Sure. While there is no physical evidence, the math suggests its a possibility.

Chizzang wrote:The Atheist Premise:

1) There is no compelling evidence that God exists
2)
3)

John please fill in the rest because this is all we've got so far
You seem to know something that nobody else on this forum knows

I don't look at atheism in quite that way. I perceive atheism as the positive assertion that God (or anything like that) does NOT exist.

As is the case in a lot of areas, you can find examples of atheists going through mental gymnastics. An example is at http://www.atheists.org/activism/resour ... is-atheism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. But if you ask that author, "Is there a God?" that author is going to say "no." While the author apparently thinks it's important to define atheism in terms of lack of belief, he does believe that there is no God.

I honestly believe there is no God. There is no evidence and the whole idea seems silly to me. Seriously it's the same as someone asserting that there are unicorns or dragons. There is no evidence for them and to claim they exist because you have faith is silly. God is ingrained deeper for people but that doesn't change that the whole thing is just ridiculous.

Vidav wrote:I honestly believe there is no God. There is no evidence and the whole idea seems silly to me. Seriously it's the same as someone asserting that there are unicorns or dragons. There is no evidence for them and to claim they exist because you have faith is silly. God is ingrained deeper for people but that doesn't change that the whole thing is just ridiculous.

Well, except that if you don't think there is a God or something else that we don't understand you have to believe that the universe instantaneously sprang into existence out of nothing. And yes I know about what Hawkins said. But that's still basically what you have to believe.

I'm not saying I can show it didn't do that. But that's a pretty difficult concept. Whether you believe in God or not there is some point at which you have to make some kind of leap of faith.

Is there a chance that many if not most atheists simply don't believe without having gone through the heavy lifting of seriously exploring the question? Lord knows many if not most Christians blindly follow without questioning. In other words, not every atheist is an evangelical hell bent on proving believers wrong. I think that's the mistake made by the JSO's and Pwns of the world.

Perhaps god has not clearly presented himself.

JohnStOnge wrote:

Vidav wrote:I honestly believe there is no God. There is no evidence and the whole idea seems silly to me. Seriously it's the same as someone asserting that there are unicorns or dragons. There is no evidence for them and to claim they exist because you have faith is silly. God is ingrained deeper for people but that doesn't change that the whole thing is just ridiculous.

Well, except that if you don't think there is a God or something else that we don't understand you have to believe that the universe instantaneously sprang into existence out of nothing. And yes I know about what Hawkins said. But that's still basically what you have to believe.

I'm not saying I can show it didn't do that. But that's a pretty difficult concept. Whether you believe in God or not there is some point at which you have to make some kind of leap of faith.

But what you are saying is that God, or something else, instantaneously sprang into existence out of nothing. Why is that any different than the universe? Or why does that have to be true? Perhaps we simply cannot fathom what occurred with our limited intellect.

JohnStOnge wrote:the universe instantaneously sprang into existence out of nothing.

Except, that's not at all what science argues...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vidav wrote:Seriously it's the same as someone asserting that there are unicorns or dragons.

This is absolutely not true.

Vidav wrote:Perhaps we simply cannot fathom what occurred with our limited intellect.

This is absolutely true.

JoltinJoe wrote:

Vidav wrote:Seriously it's the same as someone asserting that there are unicorns or dragons.

This is absolutely not true.

Vidav wrote:Perhaps we simply cannot fathom what occurred with our limited intellect.

This is absolutely true.

You believe in fairy tales to the point where pretty soon, you're gonna round up your children and force them to participate in cannibalism and worship a bloody deity/clone.

You assert unicorns every waking moment of your life.

D1B wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
This is absolutely not true.



This is absolutely true.

You believe in fairy tales to the point where pretty soon, you're gonna round up your children and force them to participate in cannibalism and worship a bloody deity/clone.

You assert unicorns every waking moment of your life.

Where have you been?

JoltinJoe wrote:

D1B wrote: You believe in fairy tales to the point where pretty soon, you're gonna round up your children and force them to participaut te abo in cannibalism and worship a bloody deity/clone.

You assert unicorns every waking moment of your life.

Where have you been?

I'm in jail, waiting to see the the judge.

Sucked 3 filthy dicks for permission to to use my phone.

I've only got 1 more hour, so what else can I teach you about your religion?

Spoke to your judge, trying to put a good word in for you.

But the judge says you are a reprobate with no objective sense of right and wrong, and he intends to throw the book at you.

Oh well, I tried.

JohnStOnge wrote:

Vidav wrote:I honestly believe there is no God. There is no evidence and the whole idea seems silly to me. Seriously it's the same as someone asserting that there are unicorns or dragons. There is no evidence for them and to claim they exist because you have faith is silly. God is ingrained deeper for people but that doesn't change that the whole thing is just ridiculous.

Well, except that if you don't think there is a God or something else that we don't understand you have to believe that the universe instantaneously sprang into existence out of nothing. And yes I know about what Hawkins said. But that's still basically what you have to believe.

I'm not saying I can show it didn't do that. But that's a pretty difficult concept. Whether you believe in God or not there is some point at which you have to make some kind of leap of faith.

You do? I've never heard of this person, would you share with us what "Hawkins" said?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:the universe instantaneously sprang into existence out of nothing.

Except, that's not at all what science argues...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It really isn't.

houndawg wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
Well, except that if you don't think there is a God or something else that we don't understand you have to believe that the universe instantaneously sprang into existence out of nothing. And yes I know about what Hawkins said. But that's still basically what you have to believe.

I'm not saying I can show it didn't do that. But that's a pretty difficult concept. Whether you believe in God or not there is some point at which you have to make some kind of leap of faith.

You do? I've never heard of this person, would you share with us what "Hawkins" said?

Never heard of him? He's the offspring of Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawkins.

Pwns wrote:

Chizzang wrote:The Atheist Premise:

1) There is no compelling evidence that God exists
2)
3)

John please fill in the rest because this is all we've got so far
You seem to know something that nobody else on this forum knows

Does the principle apply to things that are not considered supernatural?

For example, how many atheists are "agnostic" about alternate universes when there is no real compelling evidence that they exist?

I don't think you'll get any bites on this one ^
I've never heard anybody - scientist or otherwise - argue very seriously about alternate universes...
Mainly it's simply stated as a mathematical possibility and interesting mind candy

I just want to point out that subatomic particles and antiparticles do appear from nothing all the time.

That said, humanity still has a ton left to discover in regards to quantum mechanics. The massive leaps we've made in the last century is certainly pointing us in a great direction to solving the ultimate puzzle. I hope I'm alive to learn it, but it's doubtful.

∞∞∞ wrote:I just want to point out that subatomic particles and antiparticles do appear from nothing all the time.

Air Supply postulated that some folks made love out of nothing at all, but Air Supply didn't know how those people did it.