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VictorG wrote:Interesting...kind of sad....


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Good post in the comment section.

Vincent 35 minutes ago 0 4
good Lord, can you imagine all of the victims of foul play and political corruption that are buried there. I mean with all of that high security, it's the perfect place for corrupt NYC politicians to bury their bodies

My aunt and uncle lived on City Island right next to Hart Island. I circled Hart Island on a boat when I was a kid. Had no idea.

I've never quite understood the need for folks to visit graves, or to even be buried to tell you the truth. Both my parents were creamated and that's what I have in my living will. Cemetaries are a colossal waste of space. Whether you believe in the afterlife or not, you know the person isn't there. A corpse is not a person.

89Hen wrote:I've never quite understood the need for folks to visit graves, or to even be buried to tell you the truth. Both my parents were creamated and that's what I have in my living will. Cemetaries are a colossal waste of space. Whether you believe in the afterlife or not, you know the person isn't there. A corpse is not a person.

The wife and I both plan for cremation as well as my parents. Dad says he doesn't want anyone gawking at him when he's gone and I tend to agree. Think about the land we'd free up if it weren't devoted to burying caskets and planting headstones.

89Hen wrote:I've never quite understood the need for folks to visit graves, or to even be buried to tell you the truth. Both my parents were creamated and that's what I have in my living will. Cemetaries are a colossal waste of space. Whether you believe in the afterlife or not, you know the person isn't there. A corpse is not a person.

Some people are a waste of space alive, so what's the difference if they are a waste of space dead?

I'll probably have my ashes spread here.

Grizalltheway wrote:I'll probably have my ashes spread here.

I told my wife for her and her boyfriend to rent a helicopter (with my money) and dump me out somewhere that I liked. I don't think I'm going to care much one way or another, but maybe I'll get in his lungs and make him think about it a bit.

Looking at a map using this island for a cemetery definitely seems like a waste of some prime real estate.

I'm like most others in this thread. i think cemeteries are a waste. I want to be cremated but if I go first I don't know if my wife will do it. My dad sounds just like ASUG8's dad.

I worked for a city parks department every summer while in college. One of the jobs was mowing the city owned cemetery. I remember every year about 10 days after Memorial Day we would go out and pick up all the cheap, plastic flowers that were put out to decorate graves for the holiday. What a frickin waste. All the money that went into the trash rather than doing something good with it. Plus the crazy woman who's 25 year old son was killed in a work accident that put a dozen fresh roses on his grave every week and has been for about 18 years now.

This scenario plays out several times a week in the Navy: A vet is cremated, ashes taken out to sea, ashes dumped over the side after a brief ceremony, ashes then blow back onto the ship and stick to the sides of the ship and superstructure. Ship and superstructure are then painted, and the vet is "interred" in the ship forever more.

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89Hen wrote:I've never quite understood the need for folks to visit graves, or to even be buried to tell you the truth. Both my parents were creamated and that's what I have in my living will. Cemetaries are a colossal waste of space. Whether you believe in the afterlife or not, you know the person isn't there. A corpse is not a person.

Notice the hapless catholic church flip flopping on cremation. Another example of reason dragging the backward ass church into reality. Still though, the church needs its hundreds of millions of dollars to mow cemetaries and prune trees.

[img]The Catholic view of cremation has changed in recent years. Cremation was the common practice of the Roman empire at the time of Jesus. In contrast, the Jewish community followed the practice of burying the bodies of those who had died. In the tradition of his time, Jesus, after his death on the cross, was buried in a tomb, probably a cave. The early Christians appear to have followed the Jewish practice. They buried their dead in cemeteries, or the underground caves we now call catacombs. A special regard was attached to the bodies of martyrs who had died violent deaths rather than deny their faith. Their tombs became places of prayer.

The practice of cremation disappeared after Roman times, re-appearing only as a means of coping with the mass deaths and contagion brought by plagues during the Middle Ages. In the late 19th and early twentieth century, cremation again became a common practice in Great Britain and Europe. This occurred for a variety of reasons, including expense, lack of cemetery space, and a disenchantment with the burial procedures that had developed in funeral parlors. The Catholic church took a stand against this practice, as expressing a denial of Christian belief in the resurrection of the body. The 1917 Code of Canon law forbade a Church funeral for those who were to be cremated.

As the practice of cremation became more common, however, the Church’s attitude changed. In 1963 the Vatican lifted the prohibition against cremation. In 1983 a new revision of Canon Law replaced the 1917 Code. The new revision allowed both cremation and burial as means of honoring the body of a deceased Catholic.

Today the Order of Christian Funerals developed by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops offers three options for funerals with cremated remains. These are: (1(and preferred)) cremation follows the funeral service, with a reverent disposition of the cremated remains through burial in a cemetery, (2) the bereaved gather for the committal of the cremated remains at the cemetery first, followed by a funeral liturgy at the church, (3) direct or immediate cremation, followed by a funeral liturgy at the church and burial of the remains at an appropriate time. The U.S. Bishops do not encourage practice of scattering cremated remains on the sea or on the ground, or keeping them in the home of a relative or friend, although burial at sea in an urn is acceptable.

Today, while burial remains the more typical practice, it’s no longer uncommon for deceased Catholics to be cremated. The Church continues to teach that the bodies of those who have died be treated with great respect and dignity, both as God’s creation and as former temples of the Holy Spirit, and as an expression of our hope in the risen life to come, which Catholics believe will once again unite the human person as body and spirit.
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My parents were both cremated but had their ashes interred in a family plot instead of scattered. I don't visit their gravesites often, but I have no regrets when I do. I can understand why civilizations provide for cemeteries. People grieve in different ways, and it helps some to have a location to go to in order to reflect and remember their lost loved ones. Intergenerational ties are fragile enough as it is.

Ivytalk wrote:My parents were both cremated but had their ashes interred in a family plot instead of scattered. I don't visit their gravesites often, but I have no regrets when I do. I can understand why civilizations provide for cemeteries. People grieve in different ways, and it helps some to have a location to go to in order to reflect and remember their lost loved ones. Intergenerational ties are fragile enough as it is.

People tell me all the time I should be cremated, now.

Ivytalk wrote:My parents were both cremated but had their ashes interred in a family plot instead of scattered. I don't visit their gravesites often, but I have no regrets when I do. I can understand why civilizations provide for cemeteries. People grieve in different ways, and it helps some to have a location to go to in order to reflect and remember their lost loved ones. Intergenerational ties are fragile enough as it is.

True.

My parents ashes were dropped in a lake where my family vacations. Whenever I go there I spend some time thinking about my parents, thanking them for everything they did for me and hoping that I'm living up to their expectations.

My plan is a Viking funeral ... put me (or my cremated ashes) in a chair on a miniature long boat, light it on fire and push it out to sea (or into the lake). I'll have to set aside some money to pay the DNR/EPA fines.

Jimmy Hoffa??

I'm getting cremated and scattered next to my creek.

A good friend of mine cremated his mother then scattered her ashes in the sand traps at the local golf course. His sisters were mortified by that but he explained that the sand traps were where she spent most of her retired life anyway!

D1B wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:My parents were both cremated but had their ashes interred in a family plot instead of scattered. I don't visit their gravesites often, but I have no regrets when I do. I can understand why civilizations provide for cemeteries. People grieve in different ways, and it helps some to have a location to go to in order to reflect and remember their lost loved ones. Intergenerational ties are fragile enough as it is.

People tell me all the time I should be cremated, now.

My grandpa was cremated and sat in the closet for years. We would bring out his box and set it on the coffee table during family meetings.

89Hen wrote:I've never quite understood the need for folks to visit graves, or to even be buried to tell you the truth. Both my parents were creamated and that's what I have in my living will. Cemetaries are a colossal waste of space. Whether you believe in the afterlife or not, you know the person isn't there. A corpse is not a person.

This.

houndawg wrote:My grandpa was cremated and sat in the closet for years. We would bring out his box and set it on the coffee table during family meetings.

How long did it take for him to come out of the closet, the first time?

89Hen wrote: A corpse is not a person.

No, but a corporation is a person.

Plus the crazy woman who's 25 year old son was killed in a work accident that put a dozen fresh roses on his grave every week and has been for about 18 years now.

You know, you really ought to have some sympathy for that.

JohnStOnge wrote:

Plus the crazy woman who's 25 year old son was killed in a work accident that put a dozen fresh roses on his grave every week and has been for about 18 years now.

You know, you really ought to have some sympathy for that.

I feel bad that her son died. He was in my brother's class and was a good guy. But there's a lot more to the story which limits the amount of sympathy I have for her.

Donks