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FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:23 pm
by expandspanos
FBI seizing artifacts at rural Indiana home
FBI surrounds home in rural central Indiana; agency says agents seizing artifacts
WALDRON, Ind. (AP) -
FBI agents have surrounded a home in rural central Indiana to confiscate what the agency is calling artifacts.
A spokeswoman from the FBI in Indianapolis wouldn't identify the artifacts being recovered Wednesday, but she said there was no immediate threat to the public.
Other details weren't immediately released about the investigation in Rush County about 35 miles southeast of Indianapolis.
Television helicopter video showed a mobile FBI command vehicle, a moving van and several tents alongside a two-story home near the town of Waldron.
The FBI has scheduled a news conference about the investigation for Wednesday afternoon.
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Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:39 pm
by 93henfan
Apparently the guy is an amateur archeologist and artifacts collector with a notable collection dating back to WWII. He also may have worked on the Manhattan Project, and as evidenced by several huge antennae on the property is a radio enthusiast.
Interesting stuff.
I'm guessing he probably "collected" a few too many illegal things.
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:42 pm
by bandl
93henfan wrote:Apparently the guy is an amateur archeologist and artifacts collector with a notable collection dating back to WWII. He also may have worked on the Manhattan Project, and as evidenced by several huge antennae on the property is a radio enthusiast.
Interesting stuff.
I'm guessing he probably "collected" a few too many illegal things.
Wrong. His property houses the entrance to the bunker where all the 9/11 "victims" are living.
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:42 pm
by dbackjon
He was arrested at his job...
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:43 pm
by 93henfan
Last two: nice effort
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:45 pm
by bandl
Last one: you're a twat
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:50 pm
by 93henfan
bandl wrote:Last one: you're a twat
Labia lips!
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:52 pm
by kalm
dbackjon wrote:He was arrested at his job...
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:52 pm
by bandl
93henfan wrote:bandl wrote:Last one: you're a twat
Labia lips!
COME AT ME, SIS!!!
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:11 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Fuck looters.
"Amateur archaeologist" is a bullshit term. Unless they're recording provenience and contexts for the artifacts they collect, they're simply looters and their artifacts have no archaeological value.
Having said that, looting is legal if it's on private property. Since the FBI is involved, this dumbass was almost certainly looting on federal land.
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:22 pm
by CID1990
Skjellyfetti wrote:**** looters.
"Amateur archaeologist" is a bullshit term. Unless they're recording provenience and contexts for the artifacts they collect, they're simply looters and their artifacts have no archaeological value.
Having said that, looting is legal if it's on private property. Since the FBI is involved, this dumbass was almost certainly looting on federal land.
what if hes an injen?
is it looting then?
Re: FBI seizing
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:22 pm
by Skjellyfetti
CID1990 wrote:
what if hes an injen?
is it looting then?
yeah, i don't see what difference that makes.
looting is looting whether it's an indian looting indian artifacts or a white guy looting civil war artifacts.
Re: FBI seizing
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:41 pm
by VictorG
Skjellyfetti wrote:CID1990 wrote:
what if hes an injen?
is it looting then?
yeah, i don't see what difference that makes.
looting is looting whether it's an indian looting indian artifacts or a white guy looting civil war artifacts.
The guy is so old I think Moses gave him the stuff!! If that's the case, someone needs to check out Grizo's house!
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:22 pm
by JohnStOnge
provenience
I learned a new word. But it seems a big stringent to say that there can't be any "archeological value" for an object unless a very precise three dimensional point at which it was found is not known.
Yes I can see where that would be important. But NO archeological value regardless of the circumstances and what it is?
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:54 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Archaeology is all context and provenience.
It may have some "value"... but, it ain't archaeological.
Look at any Bubba's "arrowhead" collection. Tons of otherwise archaeological valuable stuff that is absolutely worthless (archaeologically) because it's just a pile of "stuff" with no information attached. It's cool. And, I love when rednecks bring their artifact collections in for us to look at ... they find a lot of incredible stuff.
When you remove something from the ground you remove any context or associations with the artifacts - stuff that arrowhead hunters and looters don't care about - but, it is what archaeological knowledge is based on.
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:09 pm
by Grizo406
dbackjon wrote:He was arrested at his job...
IMO, something seems a bit fishy here...
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:26 am
by expandspanos
It looks like a scene out of ET- I mean, the tents and all those FBI vans.. Weird.
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:38 am
by houndawg
paid actors.....
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:22 am
by grizzaholic
Skjellyfetti wrote:Archaeology is all context and provenience.
It may have some "value"... but, it ain't archaeological.
Look at any Bubba's "arrowhead" collection. Tons of otherwise archaeological valuable stuff that is absolutely worthless (archaeologically) because it's just a pile of "stuff" with no information attached. It's cool. And, I love when rednecks bring their artifact collections in for us to look at ... they find a lot of incredible stuff.
When you remove something from the ground you remove any context or associations with the artifacts - stuff that arrowhead hunters and looters don't care about - but, it is what archaeological knowledge is based on.
Well then I guess I am a looter. I find arrowheads from time to time while in the woods and pick them up and take them home. Guess I should be arrested...right?
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:35 am
by kalm
grizzaholic wrote:Skjellyfetti wrote:Archaeology is all context and provenience.
It may have some "value"... but, it ain't archaeological.
Look at any Bubba's "arrowhead" collection. Tons of otherwise archaeological valuable stuff that is absolutely worthless (archaeologically) because it's just a pile of "stuff" with no information attached. It's cool. And, I love when rednecks bring their artifact collections in for us to look at ... they find a lot of incredible stuff.
When you remove something from the ground you remove any context or associations with the artifacts - stuff that arrowhead hunters and looters don't care about - but, it is what archaeological knowledge is based on.
Well then I guess I am a looter. I find arrowheads from time to time while in the woods and pick them up and take them home. Guess I should be arrested...right?
Well color me a redneck too as I've done the same.
100's of years from now someone will stumble across a fly I broke off in the brush or one of Grizza's bullet casings from a wolf hunt and hold to them as keepsake. Fucking looters....
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:48 am
by grizzaholic
kalm wrote:grizzaholic wrote:
Well then I guess I am a looter. I find arrowheads from time to time while in the woods and pick them up and take them home. Guess I should be arrested...right?
Well color me a redneck too as I've done the same.
100's of years from now someone will stumble across a fly I broke off in the brush or one of Grizza's bullet casings from a wolf hunt and hold to them as keepsake. Fucking looters....
Perhaps a bullet, but not brass. I police that shit.
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:13 am
by kalm
grizzaholic wrote:kalm wrote:
Well color me a redneck too as I've done the same.
100's of years from now someone will stumble across a fly I broke off in the brush or one of Grizza's bullet casings from a wolf hunt and hold to them as keepsake. Fucking looters....
Perhaps a bullet, but not brass. I police that shit.
I figured you did.
Re: FBI seizing "artifacts" at rural Indiana home..?
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:53 am
by ASUG8
Agents of the FBI's art crime team began loading trucks with artifacts that Donald Miller acquired over the decades from sites as varied as China, Russia and Papua New Guinea. However, the FBI was careful not to say whether they believed Miller had knowingly broken any laws. The FBI's aim is to catalog the artifacts and return them to their countries of origin.
The laws regarding the removal or collection of cultural artifacts are extremely complex. State, federal and international laws are involved, Patty Gerstenblith, a professor of law at DePaul University in Chicago. Much depends on whether objects are considered stolen or were imported with a license, and international treaties dating back as far as 1987 come into play. The United States has various agreements with 15 countries that prohibit importation of items that were illegally acquired, she said, and some nations such as Egypt forbid the export of any cultural objects that were dug from the ground.
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Leave the old guy alone....I'm guessing he probably got some of this stuff before 1987 since he's 91 yrs old. The FBI will spend 10 yrs "processing" the "evidence" and the guy or his family will never see it again regardless of the legality of how he obtained it. Douchebags.
Re: FBI seizing
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:57 am
by CID1990
Skjellyfetti wrote:CID1990 wrote:
what if hes an injen?
is it looting then?
yeah, i don't see what difference that makes.
looting is looting whether it's an indian looting indian artifacts or a white guy looting civil war artifacts.
yes, but
I thought native americans were paragons of the bohemian socialist ideal that you guys love so much
How can you decry this man's collection of things that have no owners
and yet applaud the social utopian "nothing belongs to anyone/everything belongs to everyone" (which was destroyed by the Indo-European regulatory-military-civilization machine) that this indian guy is obviously adhering to?
its a paradox i tell you
Re: FBI seizing
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:14 pm
by Skjellyfetti
CID1990 wrote:
I thought native americans were paragons of the bohemian socialist ideal that you guys love so much
yeah, native americans have long been paragons of the left (and the right)... but, largely based on two myths that are complete bullshit (though, still largely believed).
Pristine Myth
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Myth of the Noble Savage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;