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Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:36 pm
by kalm
I'm honestly having a tough time telling private companies they have to provide something they are religiously opposed to. But if the slippery slope argument is a real threat than I can see why it has people up in arms.
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Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:01 pm
by Pwns
Make birth control available over the counter and tell people they have to buy their own damn pills unless unless they have a real medical need for them.
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:52 am
by 89Hen
I'm not sure why you'd (they, not you Kalm) have to make a religious arguement out of this. Right now it's hard to get insurance to cover prescriptions for diagnosable learning issues. Why should somebody be required to offer birth control, a completely elective medication?
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:17 am
by Ibanez
89Hen wrote:I'm not sure why you'd (they, not you Kalm) have to make a religious arguement out of this. Right now it's hard to get insurance to cover prescriptions for diagnosable learning issues. Why should somebody be required to offer birth control, a completely elective medication?
This.
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:20 pm
by JohnStOnge
I don't think it's really "Constitutional" for the Federal government to be telling private businesses that they have to provide health insurance at all. And I think that as intelligent people we need to all start making the distinction between what the Constitution really says and what the Federal Judiciary of the United States says it says. The Federal Judiciary of the United States does not follow the Constitution and it makes no pretense that it DOES follow the Constitution.
We need to understand that. We are NOT governed by the Constitution. Maybe if people would come to understand that they could object to the situation.
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:46 am
by CAA Flagship
kalm wrote:I'm honestly having a tough time telling private companies they have to provide something they are religiously opposed to. But if the slippery slope argument is a real threat than I can see why it has people
up in arms.
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Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:51 am
by kalm
JohnStOnge wrote:I don't think it's really "Constitutional" for the Federal government to be telling private businesses that they have to provide health insurance at all. And I think that as intelligent people we need to all start making the distinction between what the Constitution really says and what the Federal Judiciary of the United States says it says. The Federal Judiciary of the United States does not follow the Constitution and it makes no pretense that it DOES follow the Constitution.
We need to understand that. We are NOT governed by the Constitution. Maybe if people would come to understand that they could object to the situation.
I agree. It's already been established that private businesses have 1st amendment rights.
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:25 am
by 89Hen
Wow, this has to be the most boring thread ever started in the Poli board.

Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:33 pm
by CID1990
89Hen wrote:Wow, this has to be the most boring thread ever started in the Poli board.

thats because Klam is nowhere near the quality troll that D or JSO are
(but it is delicious that JSO responded)
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:48 pm
by kalm
CID1990 wrote:89Hen wrote:Wow, this has to be the most boring thread ever started in the Poli board.

thats because Klam is nowhere near the quality troll that D or JSO are
(but it is delicious that JSO responded)
This is what I get for being fair and balanced.

Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:54 pm
by JohnStOnge
thats because Klam is nowhere near the quality troll that D or JSO are
I am not a cyber troll. I religiously follow internet rules of decorum. I never attack other posters personally. I stick to the arguments. Etc. I never write anything for the purpose of upsetting people. Yes, I know that some of the things I post WILL cause people to react negatively. But that is not my purpose in writing them.
However, if people want to say I'm a troll I guess that's fine.
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:03 pm
by BlueHen86
JohnStOnge wrote:thats because Klam is nowhere near the quality troll that D or JSO are
I am not a cyber troll. I religiously follow internet rules of decorum. I never attack other posters personally. I stick to the arguments. Etc. I never write anything for the purpose of upsetting people. Yes, I know that some of the things I post WILL cause people to react negatively. But that is not my purpose in writing them.
However, if people want to say I'm a troll I guess that's fine.
Nice try. I don't believe you, but I like the idea of you being a "Gentleman Troll".

Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:04 pm
by BlueHen86
89Hen wrote:I'm not sure why you'd (they, not you Kalm) have to make a religious arguement out of this. Right now it's hard to get insurance to cover prescriptions for diagnosable learning issues. Why should somebody be required to offer birth control, a completely elective medication?
I agree. On the other hand, I think it's best if the people that need insurance to get birth control don't reproduce.
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:09 pm
by JohnStOnge
Nice try. I don't believe you, but I like the idea of you being a "Gentleman Troll".
Just watch. What you'll see is that things I say do result in people throwing insults at me, etc. But I never respond in kind. I simply respond to the substance of the argument.
Sure, I challenge certain dogmas. But that's not being a troll.
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:15 pm
by BlueHen86
JohnStOnge wrote:Nice try. I don't believe you, but I like the idea of you being a "Gentleman Troll".
Just watch. What you'll see is that things I say do result in people throwing insults at me, etc. But I never respond in kind. I simply respond to the substance of the argument.
Sure, I challenge certain dogmas. But that's not being a troll.
The fact that you don't return insults doesn't mean that you aren't posting to upset people. It's part of your "trollnificence". It's what makes you the "Gentleman Troll".
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:56 pm
by Pwns
Maybe Chizzy is what we need to get flames going in this thread. He's the feminist that thinks any abortion restrictions are an obscene encroachment on women's health care.
Re: Peyote and Birth Control
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:53 am
by 89Hen
BlueHen86 wrote:JohnStOnge wrote:
Just watch. What you'll see is that things I say do result in people throwing insults at me, etc. But I never respond in kind. I simply respond to the substance of the argument.
Sure, I challenge certain dogmas. But that's not being a troll.
The fact that you don't return insults doesn't mean that you aren't posting to upset people. It's part of your "trollnificence". It's what makes you the "Gentleman Troll".
I don't think he's posting to upset people. That would be the Bobsey Twins that do that. Or do you think JSO doesn't believe what he posts?
JSO is correct, he is perhaps the only poster here that I've never seen get in a name calling match, which is amazing because he is probably one of the posters who is called the most names.