The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

We quit pulling this crap 100-300 years ago. The US knows not to blow up a pipeline.

[GannonFan]

We quit pulling this crap 100-300 years ago. The US knows not to blow up a pipeline.

Apples to oranges. This isn't the invasion of a sovereign nation with the intent of stealing land after ethnically cleansing it. If we blew up the pipeline, or had someone else do it, it happened after Russia launched their invasion to do what I said in the last sentence and again, isn't anywhere remotely the same thing. Come on, even for a bot you normally argue better than that. Try again.

[SeattleGriz]

We quit pulling this crap 100-300 years ago. The US knows not to blow up a pipeline.

Apples to oranges. This isn't the invasion of a sovereign nation with the intent of stealing land after ethnically cleansing it. If we blew up the pipeline, or had someone else do it, it happened after Russia launched their invasion to do what I said in the last sentence and again, isn't anywhere remotely the same thing. Come on, even for a bot you normally argue better than that. Try again.

You're just making shit up to suit your narrative. You've got this nice little story that only this war fits into. Speaking of apples and oranges.

First, you neglect to consider all these "lands" Russia invades are militarily strategic and Russia has warned against western encroachment. In addition to the promise by the US diplomats that not one inch would be taken. I'll rely on the slew of diplomats that agree and not your version of made up history by the way.

Secondly, let's see a reputable link on your ethnically cleansing statement.

Lastly, the US doesn't have the geography to care about keeping lands, plus that isn't how they operate. The US goes to other nations that are not conducive to their economic issues and "corrects" their attitudes. Multiple times if needed. There are plenty of other nations that need our help, but we always seem to never choose them. The US has something like 850 bases throughout the world.

Here's one for you. Name a time Russia claimed a country outside their sphere of influence and on another continent had weapons of mass destruction, went over there, ethnically cleansed populations with military and drone strikes, then left years later with nothing being better. See? Easy to frame your story just so.

And look at you making excuses for blowing up two sovereign nations infrastructure on another nations land.

It's okay Team America. You just blow up whatever you like.

Edit: 750 bases.

[GannonFan]

Apples to oranges. This isn't the invasion of a sovereign nation with the intent of stealing land after ethnically cleansing it. If we blew up the pipeline, or had someone else do it, it happened after Russia launched their invasion to do what I said in the last sentence and again, isn't anywhere remotely the same thing. Come on, even for a bot you normally argue better than that. Try again.

You're just making shit up to suit your narrative. You've got this nice little story that only this war fits into. Speaking of apples and oranges.

First, you neglect to consider all these "lands" Russia invades are militarily strategic and Russia has warned against western encroachment. In addition to the promise by the US diplomats that not one inch would be taken. I'll rely on the slew of diplomats that agree and not your version of made up history by the way.

Secondly, let's see a reputable link on your ethnically cleansing statement.

Lastly, the US doesn't have the geography to care about keeping lands, plus that isn't how they operate. The US goes to other nations that are not conducive to their economic issues and "corrects" their attitudes. Multiple times if needed. There are plenty of other nations that need our help, but we always seem to never choose them. The US has something like 850 bases throughout the world.

Here's one for you. Name a time Russia claimed a country outside their sphere of influence and on another continent had weapons of mass destruction, went over there, ethnically cleansed populations with military and drone strikes, then left years later with nothing being better. See? Easy to frame your story just so.

And look at you making excuses for blowing up two sovereign nations infrastructure on another nations land.

It's okay Team America. You just blow up whatever you like.

Wah wah wah. You don't come off well as a whiner.

There is no western encroachment. What looks like western encroachment to you and your Russian paymasters is more like eastern escaping by countries that don't want to be in thrall to an imperialistic Russia. NATO isn't recruiting countries, NATO is just seen as a safe harbor for these countries that have been dealing with Russian interference and, in many cases, Russian military intimidation and/or invasion. If I lived in a country next to Russia, I'd be begging NATO to take us in and the EU to as well, just because at least then it secures my country from Russian invasion. Russia has the ability to attack and massacre people in Georgia and the eastern Ukraine, i.e. countries too small and too weak to do much in the way of resistance. But after watching their debacle in Ukraine, there's no way they're in any shape to take on a real modern military force. So if anything, Russia has made even more countries want to be under the NATO umbrella. The best recruitment for NATO expansion is, ironically, Russian aggression and middling military performance.

Oh, and we didn't ethnically cleanse anybody since the Native Americans two centuries ago. You can't make any argument close to that for what we did in Iraq (not really suffering since we left) and Afghanistan. And we didn't blow up any infrastructure in Afghanistan - they didn't have any to start with, that was most of the problem in Afghanistan. Looking forward to your next whine.

[houndawg]

You're just making shit up to suit your narrative. You've got this nice little story that only this war fits into. Speaking of apples and oranges.

First, you neglect to consider all these "lands" Russia invades are militarily strategic and Russia has warned against western encroachment. In addition to the promise by the US diplomats that not one inch would be taken. I'll rely on the slew of diplomats that agree and not your version of made up history by the way.

Secondly, let's see a reputable link on your ethnically cleansing statement.

Lastly, the US doesn't have the geography to care about keeping lands, plus that isn't how they operate. The US goes to other nations that are not conducive to their economic issues and "corrects" their attitudes. Multiple times if needed. There are plenty of other nations that need our help, but we always seem to never choose them. The US has something like 850 bases throughout the world.

Here's one for you. Name a time Russia claimed a country outside their sphere of influence and on another continent had weapons of mass destruction, went over there, ethnically cleansed populations with military and drone strikes, then left years later with nothing being better. See? Easy to frame your story just so.

And look at you making excuses for blowing up two sovereign nations infrastructure on another nations land.

It's okay Team America. You just blow up whatever you like.

Wah wah wah. You don't come off well as a whiner.

There is no western encroachment. What looks like western encroachment to you and your Russian paymasters is more like eastern escaping by countries that don't want to be in thrall to an imperialistic Russia. NATO isn't recruiting countries, NATO is just seen as a safe harbor for these countries that have been dealing with Russian interference and, in many cases, Russian military intimidation and/or invasion. If I lived in a country next to Russia, I'd be begging NATO to take us in and the EU to as well, just because at least then it secures my country from Russian invasion. Russia has the ability to attack and massacre people in Georgia and the eastern Ukraine, i.e. countries too small and too weak to do much in the way of resistance. But after watching their debacle in Ukraine, there's no way they're in any shape to take on a real modern military force. So if anything, Russia has made even more countries want to be under the NATO umbrella. The best recruitment for NATO expansion is, ironically, Russian aggression and middling military performance.

Oh, and we didn't ethnically cleanse anybody since the Native Americans two centuries ago. You can't make any argument close to that for what we did in Iraq (not really suffering since we left) and Afghanistan. And we didn't blow up any infrastructure in Afghanistan - they didn't have any to start with, that was most of the problem in Afghanistan. Looking forward to your next whine.

800 miles of new NATO border with Finland are going to tie down a lot of Russian troops.

[SeattleGriz]

Wah wah wah. You don't come off well as a whiner.

There is no western encroachment. What looks like western encroachment to you and your Russian paymasters is more like eastern escaping by countries that don't want to be in thrall to an imperialistic Russia. NATO isn't recruiting countries, NATO is just seen as a safe harbor for these countries that have been dealing with Russian interference and, in many cases, Russian military intimidation and/or invasion. If I lived in a country next to Russia, I'd be begging NATO to take us in and the EU to as well, just because at least then it secures my country from Russian invasion. Russia has the ability to attack and massacre people in Georgia and the eastern Ukraine, i.e. countries too small and too weak to do much in the way of resistance. But after watching their debacle in Ukraine, there's no way they're in any shape to take on a real modern military force. So if anything, Russia has made even more countries want to be under the NATO umbrella. The best recruitment for NATO expansion is, ironically, Russian aggression and middling military performance.

Oh, and we didn't ethnically cleanse anybody since the Native Americans two centuries ago. You can't make any argument close to that for what we did in Iraq (not really suffering since we left) and Afghanistan. And we didn't blow up any infrastructure in Afghanistan - they didn't have any to start with, that was most of the problem in Afghanistan. Looking forward to your next whine.

800 miles of new NATO border with Finland are going to tie down a lot of Russian troops.

Not with the US blowing up other's infrastructure whenever they feel like it. You like how they now blame Ukraine? It's just like our politicians when they get caught and blame some low level office assistant for the screw up.

[GannonFan]

800 miles of new NATO border with Finland are going to tie down a lot of Russian troops.

Not with the US blowing up other's infrastructure whenever they feel like it. You like how they now blame Ukraine? It's just like our politicians when they get caught and blame some low level office assistant for the screw up.

If Russia doesn't want its gas lines blown up then they shouldn't imperiously attack other countries without provocation. They spent the better part of two decades wining and dining Europe to get them attached to their natural gas as a captive market, and Putin's infatuation with rebuilding the Soviet Empire cost them that in about the span of a month. All that to get the hammer and sickle flag back.

[houndawg]

800 miles of new NATO border with Finland are going to tie down a lot of Russian troops.

Not with the US blowing up other's infrastructure whenever they feel like it. You like how they now blame Ukraine? It's just like our politicians when they get caught and blame some low level office assistant for the screw up.

wrong thread, bubba...

[SeattleGriz]

Not with the US blowing up other's infrastructure whenever they feel like it. You like how they now blame Ukraine? It's just like our politicians when they get caught and blame some low level office assistant for the screw up.

If Russia doesn't want its gas lines blown up then they shouldn't imperiously attack other countries without provocation. They spent the better part of two decades wining and dining Europe to get them attached to their natural gas as a captive market, and Putin's infatuation with rebuilding the Soviet Empire cost them that in about the span of a month. All that to get the hammer and sickle flag back.

Nice shifting morals. It's now okay for the US to not only attack Russia's pipeline, but to screw over Germany and do it on Denmark's land? Attack a nuclear powers infrastructure when they have done nothing to the US? Wow, you have wholeheartedly accepted the new "unvaxxed is going to kill grandma" narrative.

Also, Russia was asked for protection AFTER Ukraine intensified it's indiscriminate shelling of the Donbas.

[SeattleGriz]

Not with the US blowing up other's infrastructure whenever they feel like it. You like how they now blame Ukraine? It's just like our politicians when they get caught and blame some low level office assistant for the screw up.

wrong thread, bubba...

This is the Ukraine thread chief.

[SeattleGriz]

There you go. The exit ramp. Ukraine is crazy. We can't possibly support them anymore.

[Skjellyfetti]

where do you find this stuff?

[houndawg]

There you go. The exit ramp. Ukraine is crazy. We can't possibly support them anymore.

Exit ramp!!? Whats wrong with ya, boy? We're getting the deal of the century, we send Ukraine the tools and they do our killing for us ..... so many dead Russians "...and the flowers bloom like madness in the spring...." .

And the convict-troops are fragging their officers now, Putin is so fucked

[GannonFan]

If Russia doesn't want its gas lines blown up then they shouldn't imperiously attack other countries without provocation. They spent the better part of two decades wining and dining Europe to get them attached to their natural gas as a captive market, and Putin's infatuation with rebuilding the Soviet Empire cost them that in about the span of a month. All that to get the hammer and sickle flag back.

Nice shifting morals. It's now okay for the US to not only attack Russia's pipeline, but to screw over Germany and do it on Denmark's land? Attack a nuclear powers infrastructure when they have done nothing to the US? Wow, you have wholeheartedly accepted the new "unvaxxed is going to kill grandma" narrative.

Also, Russia was asked for protection AFTER Ukraine intensified it's indiscriminate shelling of the Donbas.

Germany knew what they were getting into when they made that pact with Russia - one day Russia could go off the deep end and start unprovoked wars on neighbors and then that pipeline could either be closed (by Russia) or damaged/blown up. War sucks, which is all the more perplexing that Russia would start one.

As for the Donbas region fighting, again, why has Russia been in that region for the past 8 years, including the use and support of paramilitary forces, other than to destabilize the region? You can't cause a region in another country to be destabilized, and then claim the white knight badge to invade it. Russia has been planning this invasion since they finished the last invasion of Ukraine when they illegally seized Crimea.

[UNI88]

One can hope (that Putin is held accountable).

[houndawg]

wrong thread, bubba...

This is the Ukraine thread chief.

Then you should see about having your dosage adjusted.

The only infrastructure being degraded isn't being degraded by the US.

[houndawg]

Nice shifting morals. It's now okay for the US to not only attack Russia's pipeline, but to screw over Germany and do it on Denmark's land? Attack a nuclear powers infrastructure when they have done nothing to the US? Wow, you have wholeheartedly accepted the new "unvaxxed is going to kill grandma" narrative.

Also, Russia was asked for protection AFTER Ukraine intensified it's indiscriminate shelling of the Donbas.

Germany knew what they were getting into when they made that pact with Russia - one day Russia could go off the deep end and start unprovoked wars on neighbors and then that pipeline could either be closed (by Russia) or damaged/blown up. War sucks, which is all the more perplexing that Russia would start one.

As for the Donbas region fighting, again, why has Russia been in that region for the past 8 years, including the use and support of paramilitary forces, other than to destabilize the region? You can't cause a region in another country to be destabilized, and then claim the white knight badge to invade it. Russia has been planning this invasion since they finished the last invasion of Ukraine when they illegally seized Crimea.

I think it happened because Putin lost his shit over coming within a whisker of the greatest piece of "diplomacy" in Russian history - getting Trump to pull the US out of NATO just for the asking. Everything else was in place so he decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on his plan expecting a quick coup and a fait accompli with which to present NATO: "...yeah, we took Ukraine, so what?" Instead he committed a colossal blunder which will cost him his life. Personally I hope he gets tossed off a really tall building...

[SeattleGriz]

This is the Ukraine thread chief.

Then you should see about having your dosage adjusted.

The only infrastructure being degraded isn't being degraded by the US.

Yes. A "secret fishing boat" manned by 5 rag tag guys and one helluva woman, dove 200 feet down in the Baltic sea, dug up the pipe and planted a shit ton of explosives.

[houndawg]

Then you should see about having your dosage adjusted.

The only infrastructure being degraded isn't being degraded by the US.

Yes. A "secret fishing boat" manned by 5 rag tag guys and one helluva woman, dove 200 feet down in the Baltic sea, dug up the pipe and planted a shit ton of explosives.

they were Polish commandos.

[UNI88]

Yes. A "secret fishing boat" manned by 5 rag tag guys and one helluva woman, dove 200 feet down in the Baltic sea, dug up the pipe and planted a shit ton of explosives.

they were Polish commandos.

I've been to Poland had lunch with hero of the Solidarity movement. One Polish woman is worth 100 Spetsnaz commandos.

[houndawg]

they were Polish commandos.

I've been to Poland had lunch with hero of the Solidarity movement. One Polish woman is worth 100 Spetsnaz commandos.

She probably blew that pipeline before breakfast.

[SeattleGriz]

Nice shift in narrative.

Yes, a Ukrainian "tiger team" pulled off a naval operation without a functioning navy AND Bakhmut is so worthless both Ukraine and Russia have decided to turn it into a meat grinder.

The US will soon leave Ukraine for dead and move to China. You feeling used yet? Time to take down your Ukrainian flags on your social media.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/1 ... s-00086654

Publicly, there has been little separation between Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, an alliance on full display last month when the American president made his covert, dramatic visit to Kyiv. But based on conversations with 10 officials, lawmakers and experts, new points of tension are emerging: The sabotage of a natural gas pipeline on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean; the brutal, draining defense of a strategically unimportant Ukrainian city; and a plan to fight for a region where Russian forces have been entrenched for nearly a decade.

[kalm]

Nice shift in narrative.

Yes, a Ukrainian "tiger team" pulled off a naval operation without a functioning navy AND Bakhmut is so worthless both Ukraine and Russia have decided to turn it into a meat grinder.

The US will soon leave Ukraine for dead and move to China. You feeling used yet? Time to take down your Ukrainian flags on your social media.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/1 ... s-00086654

Publicly, there has been little separation between Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, an alliance on full display last month when the American president made his covert, dramatic visit to Kyiv. But based on conversations with 10 officials, lawmakers and experts, new points of tension are emerging: The sabotage of a natural gas pipeline on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean; the brutal, draining defense of a strategically unimportant Ukrainian city; and a plan to fight for a region where Russian forces have been entrenched for nearly a decade.

Why would anyone feel used?

Which flag have you hoisted?

[SeattleGriz]

Nice shift in narrative.

Yes, a Ukrainian "tiger team" pulled off a naval operation without a functioning navy AND Bakhmut is so worthless both Ukraine and Russia have decided to turn it into a meat grinder.

The US will soon leave Ukraine for dead and move to China. You feeling used yet? Time to take down your Ukrainian flags on your social media.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/1 ... s-00086654

Why would anyone feel used?

Which flag have you hoisted?

Because they've been used as useful idiots, much like those who believed asymptomatic spreaders were killing grandma. Gotta attack anyone who doesn't support the narrative. Warmongering.

The flag I've hoisted was for negotiations that were scuttled by UK and US officials who didn't have any children in the fight...just like those still supporting the senseless killing of Ukrainians. Virtue signaling at its finest. Ukrainian Karens

[kalm]

Why would anyone feel used?

Which flag have you hoisted?

Because they've been used as useful idiots, much like those who believed asymptomatic spreaders were killing grandma. Gotta attack anyone who doesn't support the narrative. Warmongering.

The flag I've hoisted was for negotiations that were scuttled by UK and US officials who didn't have any children in the fight...just like those still supporting the senseless killing of Ukrainians. Virtue signaling at its finest. Ukrainian Karens

Wait. There wasn’t asymptomatic spread?