The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

I think this is more about actual accountability for where the weapons are going. Similar to Syria in which the US was supplying weapons and they astoundingly ended up in the wrong hands.

Yeah sure, the weapons we're shipping over there are totally all making it to the front lines and not being sold elsewhere.

Exactly. Day late and a dollar short. This is ass covering efforts. When these weapons start showing up outside Ukraine, the spin will be insane.

[SeattleGriz]

Russian-bot.

The only people responsible for the invasion of Ukraine are the actual people who invaded Ukraine. Russia didn't have to do anything, but they chose to invade Ukraine. Russia wasn't threatened in any way, other than being restricted in dominating and attacking their neighbors at will. They wanted the freedom to attack neighbors at will and steal their territory, and the rest of the world has decided that kind of behavior is no longer tolerated.

You should probably read up on what was going on in the Donbas for the 8 years leading up to the invasion.

Oh you've done it now, R Bot #2. You just made the list. Beep beep boop.

[SDHornet]

You should probably read up on what was going on in the Donbas for the 8 years leading up to the invasion.

Oh you've done it now, R Bot #2. You just made the list. Beep beep boop.

I love how folks with a "just stay the fuck out of it" mentality are labeled "Putin puppets".

[houndawg]

I think this is more about actual accountability for where the weapons are going. Similar to Syria in which the US was supplying weapons and they astoundingly ended up in the wrong hands.

Yeah sure, the weapons we're shipping over there are totally all making it to the front lines and not being sold elsewhere.

Not until they're finished kicking the shit out of Putin's mob.

[GannonFan]

Oh you've done it now, R Bot #2. You just made the list. Beep beep boop.

I love how folks with a "just stay the fuck out of it" mentality are labeled "Putin puppets".

When you couch it in how justified Putin is for invading, basically saying that he had no choice but to invade "to save Russia" then yes, you are a Putin puppet. There's no justification for the invasion and annexation of Ukraine. Absolutely none. No matter what the bots say.

[houndawg]

Yeah sure, the weapons we're shipping over there are totally all making it to the front lines and not being sold elsewhere.

Exactly. Day late and a dollar short. This is ass covering efforts. When these weapons start showing up outside Ukraine, the spin will be insane.

Deliberately targeting civilians trumps your silly drivel. Dismissed.

[SeattleGriz]

Exactly. Day late and a dollar short. This is ass covering efforts. When these weapons start showing up outside Ukraine, the spin will be insane.

Deliberately targeting civilians trumps your silly drivel. Dismissed.

This might be the issue. Crazy example, but what if groups like Mexican drug lords gets their hands on these weapons? We're not talking military combatants now.

That's what I was trying to say about the US finally checking on where these weapons are headed. How is that going to look if some European "gang" uses one of the weapons shipped to Ukraine? How's that going to look, and hence the massive spin to say it wasn't a US weapon.

Keep up. I know your explanation of gravity taxed your brain Joe Biden Sr.

[houndawg]

Deliberately targeting civilians trumps your silly drivel. Dismissed.

This might be the issue. Crazy example, but what if groups like Mexican drug lords gets their hands on these weapons? We're not talking military combatants now.

That's what I was trying to say about the US finally checking on where these weapons are headed. How is that going to look if some European "gang" uses one of the weapons shipped to Ukraine? How's that going to look, and hence the massive spin to say it wasn't a US weapon.

Keep up. I know your explanation of gravity taxed your brain Joe Biden Sr.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Get back to us when you have something a bit more solid than "what if"..

[SDHornet]

I love how folks with a "just stay the fuck out of it" mentality are labeled "Putin puppets".

When you couch it in how justified Putin is for invading, basically saying that he had no choice but to invade "to save Russia" then yes, you are a Putin puppet. There's no justification for the invasion and annexation of Ukraine. Absolutely none. No matter what the bots say.

Who here has been trying to justify the invasion?

[SDHornet]

This might be the issue. Crazy example, but what if groups like Mexican drug lords gets their hands on these weapons? We're not talking military combatants now.

That's what I was trying to say about the US finally checking on where these weapons are headed. How is that going to look if some European "gang" uses one of the weapons shipped to Ukraine? How's that going to look, and hence the massive spin to say it wasn't a US weapon.

Keep up. I know your explanation of gravity taxed your brain Joe Biden Sr.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Get back to us when you have something a bit more solid than "what if"..

Wait, you actually think some of these weapons aren't being siphoned off by the corrupt regime in Ukraine and sold for profit elsewhere?

[Skjellyfetti]

When you couch it in how justified Putin is for invading, basically saying that he had no choice but to invade "to save Russia" then yes, you are a Putin puppet. There's no justification for the invasion and annexation of Ukraine. Absolutely none. No matter what the bots say.

Who here has been trying to justify the invasion?

The invasion doesn't happen without a foreign policy that is set on getting Ukraine into NATO. Biden and his foreign policy advisors, who are the same ones with the same policy that resulted in Crimea getting eaten, completely own this.

[SDHornet]

Who here has been trying to justify the invasion?

The invasion doesn't happen without a foreign policy that is set on getting Ukraine into NATO. Biden and his foreign policy advisors, who are the same ones with the same policy that resulted in Crimea getting eaten, completely own this.

Where does that say it makes the invasion justified? That's a discussion on causation. Way to come through on another reading comprehension fail homeboi.

[Skjellyfetti]

If democrats caused the invasion and "completely own [it]"... isn't it justified?

You think democrats caused it an completely own it... but, Russia isn't justified? Explain.

[SDHornet]

If democrats caused the invasion and "completely own [it]"... isn't it justified?

You think democrats caused it an completely own it... but, Russia isn't justified? Explain.

Yes, they own the failed foreign policy that contributed to the war, that doesn't justify the invasion. You really suck at this.

[Skjellyfetti]

If it isn't justified - then Democrats couldn't have caused it and certainly don't "own" it. It was Russia's choice - a blunder and miscalculation, but it wasn't justified and wasn't forced.

[SDHornet]

If it isn't justified - then Democrats couldn't have caused it and certainly don't "own" it. It was Russia's choice - a blunder and miscalculation, but it wasn't justified and wasn't forced.

Good call, that's why Putin attacked when Trump was in office...oh wait...

...while you're at it, feel free to let us in on who was POTUS when the Maidan coup happened....

[UNI88]

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Get back to us when you have something a bit more solid than "what if"..

Wait, you actually think some of these weapons aren't being siphoned off by the corrupt regime in Ukraine and sold for profit elsewhere?

Ahhh, that's why trump and his MAGAts are deflecting for Putin. He's upset that he's been cut out of the grift. People are making money by selling weapons and he's not getting a cut.

[Skjellyfetti]

Good call, that's why Putin attacked when Trump was in office...oh wait...

Seems like a tapout.

But, I'll bite. Trump was doing a better job shitting on NATO than Russia ever could. I do agree with you that I don't think Putin invades if Trump won in 2020, but I disagree about why.

[SDHornet]

Good call, that's why Putin attacked when Trump was in office...oh wait...

Seems like a tapout.

But, I'll bite. Trump was doing a better job shitting on NATO than Russia ever could. I do agree with you that I don't think Putin invades if Trump won in 2020, but I disagree about why.

Eh, he was actually successful in making NATO pony up to their end of the bargain...or at least saying they will. Europe should be responsible for themselves instead of depending on us to defend them from the Russians...


...that said credit to Biden for absolutely squeezing the Euro's over this Ukraine-Russia War. He cut them off from Russian gas and now they have to buy ours (or Russian gas via Chinese middle men for a premium). It's going to be a fun winter for them.

[SDHornet]

Wait, you actually think some of these weapons aren't being siphoned off by the corrupt regime in Ukraine and sold for profit elsewhere?

Ahhh, that's why trump and his MAGAts are deflecting for Putin. He's upset that he's been cut out of the grift. People are making money by selling weapons and he's not getting a cut.

Nah, both sides have been in on the grift in Ukraine (you think that crackhead is the only elitist kid with a cush spot on a board?), hence why both sides are all about this war.

[SeattleGriz]

Good call, that's why Putin attacked when Trump was in office...oh wait...

Seems like a tapout.

But, I'll bite. Trump was doing a better job shitting on NATO than Russia ever could. I do agree with you that I don't think Putin invades if Trump won in 2020, but I disagree about why.

Fake fucking Ukrainian supporter.

[SeattleGriz]

I love how folks with a "just stay the fuck out of it" mentality are labeled "Putin puppets".

When you couch it in how justified Putin is for invading, basically saying that he had no choice but to invade "to save Russia" then yes, you are a Putin puppet. There's no justification for the invasion and annexation of Ukraine. Absolutely none. No matter what the bots say.

Please don't tell me you actually work with people. Horrible persuasion skills and you already admitted your word is shit.

Who would trust you?

[BDKJMU]

Good call, that's why Putin attacked when Trump was in office...oh wait...

Seems like a tapout.

But, I'll bite. Trump was doing a better job shitting on NATO than Russia ever could. I do agree with you that I don't think Putin invades if Trump won in 2020, but I disagree about why.

NATO deserved shitting on long before Trump. And still do. Wake me up when those deadbeats start pulling their own weight.

[BDKJMU]

Seems like a tapout.

But, I'll bite. Trump was doing a better job shitting on NATO than Russia ever could. I do agree with you that I don't think Putin invades if Trump won in 2020, but I disagree about why.

Eh, he was actually successful in making NATO pony up to their end of the bargain...or at least saying they will. Europe should be responsible for themselves instead of depending on us to defend them from the Russians...


...that said credit to Biden for absolutely squeezing the Euro's over this Ukraine-Russia War. He cut them off from Russian gas and now they have to buy ours (or Russian gas via Chinese middle men for a premium). It's going to be a fun winter for them.

Yep.

[houndawg]

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Get back to us when you have something a bit more solid than "what if"..

Wait, you actually think some of these weapons aren't being siphoned off by the corrupt regime in Ukraine and sold for profit elsewhere?

I'm sure they would be if they didn't need them all for themselves. And after they finish with Russia's excuse for a military whatever they have left may be sold on the black market - after Putin's debacle nobody is going to want to buy cheap Russian junk when the real deal is available. You got a problem with capitalism or something..?