I like how you gloss over the parts you don't like. I was talking about you sticking it to Putin now, not before. So angry at his "empire building", it doesn't matter the US/UK scuttled talks way back when much damage could have been avoided.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:43 amNo one wanted to "stick it to Putin". Show me the poster on this board who "hoped" for Putin to launch an invasion? No one. And the US was very clear well before this happened that they didn't want Putin to invade either. I'm no Biden fan, but he was right on the money in this case. Everyone encouraged Putin not to invade, but he wanted the territory to be part of an empire building exercise and that's what he's doing. Imagine all the people who would be alive today, and in their homes today, had Putin not decided to launch a war (no matter what you try to call it, it still amounts to warfare).SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:25 am
Ah, the whole "holy ground fallacy" to try and discredit a disagreement. You keep trying to pin morality on me, when I'm trying to talk facts.
Regardless of what has happened, my stance has always been about ending this as quickly as possible, or more importantly, before it started. You seem to want to "stick it to Putin" with total disregard as to who's children you are throwing into the meat grinder.
Where was your outrage over the US and UK scuttling peace talks back in March/April timeframe?
Now to really get you going. Putin is now calling this a war on terror! Just like the US. Now that gives him carte blanche to swoop into any country that's threatening his new Oblasts and act like the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan. This part is trolling, but Putin did declare it to be a war on terror.
And stop making the false equivalencies to past US actions. You were never able to name a territory that the US took from another country in the past 80 years as the result of a similar aggressive action. Even through the US's "War on Terror" it never approached anything like we're seeing today, where one nation attacks another nation in an attempted land grab. You failed to make that connection before and you continue to do that now. Your Russian minders are striking out making that connection - you need to ask for better material. Try again.
The US was clear they didn't want Putin to invade? Well, that then makes it okay that when Russia wanted negotiate before, they were rebuffed? Is that why Russia said Ukraine joining NATO was a red line, but Biden said he would bring them on board and they acted like joining was an option?
In regards to my false equivalency, I'm not talking about the US taking over a country, but using false pretenses to invade and killing thousands of civilians. Admit it bro. You're a straight up neocon who only cares about your version of events.