The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

Please, outline what I believe.

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

[kalm]

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Covid. It’s really fucking dangerous and we should treat it as a war in order to prevent human suffering and vanquish the enemy. That was my position from the start.

The end.

Ukrainians should be able to democratically decide internal struggles and protect their borders and autonomy.

Western powers have an obligation to fight fascism.

The end.

I’m against the threats Covid and Putin represent. You disagree with both of these positions which is why I called you out.

[UNI88]

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Those morons who believe Ukraine is winning are almost as stupid as the idiots who believe Russia is winning.

As for what I believe ...
"I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman’s back, the hanging curveball, high fibre, good Scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

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[SeattleGriz]

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Covid. It’s really fucking dangerous and we should treat it as a war in order to prevent human suffering and vanquish the enemy. That was my position from the start.

The end.

Ukrainians should be able to democratically decide internal struggles and protect their borders and autonomy.

Western powers have an obligation to fight fascism.

The end.

I’m against the threats Covid and Putin represent. You disagree with both of these positions which is why I called you out.

Interesting. I don't seem to remember you complaining about the treatment of the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine over the last eight years. Isn't shelling an ethnic group within your own border because they are not happy with the leadership a little fascistic? Comply or we kill you! You've even memory holed all the articles that came out from publications that YOU read (The Atlantic, WAPO, NYT) on the neo-nazi problem. You seem to want to employ fascism to defeat fascism.

[kalm]

Covid. It’s really fucking dangerous and we should treat it as a war in order to prevent human suffering and vanquish the enemy. That was my position from the start.

The end.

Ukrainians should be able to democratically decide internal struggles and protect their borders and autonomy.

Western powers have an obligation to fight fascism.

The end.

I’m against the threats Covid and Putin represent. You disagree with both of these positions which is why I called you out.

Interesting. I don't seem to remember you complaining about the treatment of the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine over the last eight years. Isn't shelling an ethnic group within your own border because they are not happy with the leadership a little fascistic? Comply or we kill you! You've even memory holed all the articles that came out from publications that YOU read (The Atlantic, WAPO, NYT) on the neo-nazi problem. You seem to want to employ fascism to defeat fascism.

I had other concerns in 2014. I don’t remember you speaking out against Ukrainian corruption and Moscow interference then either.



The world has changed dramatically since then. Do you think Zalenskyy is pro-Nazi? You’re sounding further like a Putin propagandist. Are you concerned for the rampant rise of homosexual rights in western culture too? Ukraine is clearly guilty for defending itself here…

[SeattleGriz]

Interesting. I don't seem to remember you complaining about the treatment of the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine over the last eight years. Isn't shelling an ethnic group within your own border because they are not happy with the leadership a little fascistic? Comply or we kill you! You've even memory holed all the articles that came out from publications that YOU read (The Atlantic, WAPO, NYT) on the neo-nazi problem. You seem to want to employ fascism to defeat fascism.

I had other concerns in 2014. I don’t remember you speaking out against Ukrainian corruption and Moscow interference then either.



The world has changed dramatically since then. Do you think Zalenskyy is pro-Nazi? You’re sounding further like a Putin propagandist. Are you concerned for the rampant rise of homosexual rights in western culture too? Ukraine is clearly guilty for defending itself here…

An ad hominem followed up with a non sequitur.

[houndawg]

No. It's the constant distortion of what I believe, much like the little nugget you just dropped. Not even based in reality.

Honestly…based on your posts, you and SD are more transparent than you think. Or you’re being dishonest. Neither are things to be proud of.

Willful suspension of disbelief.

[houndawg]

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Those morons who believe Ukraine is winning are almost as stupid as the idiots who believe Russia is winning.

As for what I believe ...
"I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman’s back, the hanging curveball, high fibre, good Scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

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[houndawg]

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

A masterpiece of mealy-mouthed weasling

"Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war." Stop it man, you're killing me!

Have you shared this POV with your little buddy Vladimir? Because he can stop this war whenever he wants to by withdrawing his second-rate, embarrassingly exposed, poorly-trained forces.

Notice how you didn't answer the question kalm asked about whose side you're on? Yeah, I saw that too.

[SDHornet]

Please, outline what I believe.

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Rooting for Russia and knowing they would/are crushing Urkaine in a conventional war without NATO boots on the ground/no fly zone is not the same thing. I've been staunchly "stay the fuck out of this" from day one.

[SDHornet]

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Yep. The flag waivers are the new maskers because it's supporting "the current" thing.

[SDHornet]

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Those morons who believe Ukraine is winning are almost as stupid as the idiots who believe Russia is winning.

As for what I believe ...
"I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman’s back, the hanging curveball, high fibre, good Scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

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Don't fuck with a streak.

[houndawg]

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Rooting for Russia and knowing they would/are crushing Urkaine in a conventional war without NATO boots on the ground/no fly zone is not the same thing. I've been staunchly "stay the fuck out of this" from day one.

Sometimes thats the right position to take and sometimes its not.

[kalm]

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Yep. The flag waivers are the new maskers because it's supporting "the current" thing.

Both are the right thing to do. Health and Democracy. Easy calls to make.

[kalm]

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Rooting for Russia and knowing they would/are crushing Urkaine in a conventional war without NATO boots on the ground/no fly zone is not the same thing. I've been staunchly "stay the fuck out of this" from day one.

They’re crushing this 100 day - 3 day war so much that they’re pulling T-62’s out of mothballs to parade.

[houndawg]

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Yep. The flag waivers are the new maskers because it's supporting "the current" thing.

Is that something an organization like the NFL appplies for when they want to disrespect the flag on Sunday?

[houndawg]

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Rooting for Russia and knowing they would/are crushing Urkaine in a conventional war without NATO boots on the ground/no fly zone is not the same thing. I've been staunchly "stay the fuck out of this" from day one.

Yep, thats you....

When are you going to call for Putin to withdraw his forces from the nation he's invading?

SDHornet.

[houndawg]

Rooting for Russia and knowing they would/are crushing Urkaine in a conventional war without NATO boots on the ground/no fly zone is not the same thing. I've been staunchly "stay the fuck out of this" from day one.

They’re crushing this 100 day - 3 day war so much that they’re pulling T-62’s out mothballs to parade.

Russian armor is no joke, it helped lose 30,000,000 people in WW2

[houndawg]

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Such a genteel way of saying: "Let Russia have Ukraine". Its like you're Henry Kisinger and Neville Chamberlain in one compact, easy-to-handle package.

I'm a bit surprised that you think that letting Putin have Ukraine would be the end of his plans.

[Ibanez]

That’s on you. I’m just basing my observations on your posts and Twitter links.

What do you believe? Since we’re on this thread, are you rooting for Russia or Ukraine? It’s honestly difficult to tell.

So what do you believe?

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Part of the problem with Ukraine negotiating peace is that Russia wants Ukrainian territory. Why should Ukraine give up anything when they aren't the aggressor? The ONLY peace would be for Russia to withdraw 100% and pay reparation's for loss of life and damages.

[Ibanez]

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Those morons who believe Ukraine is winning are almost as stupid as the idiots who believe Russia is winning.

As for what I believe ...
"I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman’s back, the hanging curveball, high fibre, good Scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

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Crash is right!

[kalm]

Well first off, you're playing the same game here that you played with COVID. The "if you don't accept X narrative then you are an uncaring person that wants others to die". Facts be damned.

I also see that narrative in play here. If you don't 100% accept the narrative that Ukraine is actually winning the war and is going to defeat Russia at any moment, you're a terrible person.

As I've stated before, I would prefer Ukraine come to the table and start negotiating a peace instead of taking in billions of money that will simply find it's way back into influential people's pockets and keep this war going.

I'm on the side of the actual people that have to live in the war areas. Let's stop fucking with their lives and settle the war. That includes Ukraine stop attacking the ethnic Russians in E Ukraine and let them live in peace.

Those morons who believe Ukraine is winning are almost as stupid as the idiots who believe Russia is winning.

As for what I believe ...
"I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman’s back, the hanging curveball, high fibre, good Scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

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I believe in coyotes
And time as abstract
Explain the change that put the words between
What you want and what you need

I believe my shirt is wearing thin
And change is what I believe in

[Ibanez]

Those morons who believe Ukraine is winning are almost as stupid as the idiots who believe Russia is winning.

As for what I believe ...
"I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman’s back, the hanging curveball, high fibre, good Scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

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I believe in coyotes
And time as abstract
Explain the change that put the words between
What you want and what you need

I believe my shirt is wearing thin
And change is what I believe in

I believe in a thing called love
Just listen to the rhythm of my heart
There's a chance we could make it now
We'll be rocking 'til the sun goes down
I believe in a thing called love, hoo-ooh

[kalm]

I believe in coyotes
And time as abstract
Explain the change that put the words between
What you want and what you need

I believe my shirt is wearing thin
And change is what I believe in

I believe in a thing called love
Just listen to the rhythm of my heart
There's a chance we could make it now
We'll be rocking 'til the sun goes down
I believe in a thing called love, hoo-ooh

The Darkness!

[Ibanez]

I believe in a thing called love
Just listen to the rhythm of my heart
There's a chance we could make it now
We'll be rocking 'til the sun goes down
I believe in a thing called love, hoo-ooh

The Darkness!

They're actually a good band and are more than just that one hit.