The Ukraine Crisis

[UNI88]

GOP Reps. Mike Turner and Mike McCaul say Russian propaganda is being repeated by Republicans

"There are members of Congress today who still incorrectly say that this conflict between Russia and Ukraine is over NATO, which of course it is not," he added.
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His comments come on the heels of remarks House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul made this week about how Russian propaganda has taken root among the GOP.

McCaul, a Texas Republican, told Puck News that he thinks "Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it’s infected a good chunk of my party’s base."
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"[The propaganda] makes it more difficult for us to really see this as an authoritarian versus democracy battle, which is what it is," Turner told CNN, adding, "President Xi of China, Vladimir Putin himself have identified as such."

I wonder if it's infected anyone on this board?

[Caribbean Hen]

GOP Reps. Mike Turner and Mike McCaul say Russian propaganda is being repeated by Republicans

"There are members of Congress today who still incorrectly say that this conflict between Russia and Ukraine is over NATO, which of course it is not," he added.
...
His comments come on the heels of remarks House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul made this week about how Russian propaganda has taken root among the GOP.

McCaul, a Texas Republican, told Puck News that he thinks "Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it’s infected a good chunk of my party’s base."
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"[The propaganda] makes it more difficult for us to really see this as an authoritarian versus democracy battle, which is what it is," Turner told CNN, adding, "President Xi of China, Vladimir Putin himself have identified as such."

I wonder if it's infected anyone on this board?

I wonder why we had to keep Russia as public enemy number one after we won the Cold War …. The long term outcome should of been much better for the US and the world

China should be the enemy but that can’t happen with Xiben in office ..

[kalm]

GOP Reps. Mike Turner and Mike McCaul say Russian propaganda is being repeated by Republicans



I wonder if it's infected anyone on this board?

I wonder why we had to keep Russia as public enemy number one after we won the Cold War …. The long term outcome should of been much better for the US and the world

China should be the enemy but that can’t happen with Xiben in office ..

I thought radical Muslims replaced Russia for awhile?

How would you like us to regard Russia?

[UNI88]

GOP Reps. Mike Turner and Mike McCaul say Russian propaganda is being repeated by Republicans

I wonder if it's infected anyone on this board?

I wonder why we had to keep Russia as public enemy number one after we won the Cold War …. The long term outcome should of been much better for the US and the world

China should be the enemy but that can’t happen with Xiben in office ..

We can only have one enemy at a time?

As Representative McCaul said:

"I have to explain to them what’s at stake, why Ukraine is in our national security interest," he said. "By the way, you don’t like Communist China? Well, guess what? They’re aligned [with Russia], along with the ayatollah [of Iran]. So when you explain it that way, they kind of start understanding it."

China is a greater threat, especially long-term but Russia is also a threat along with Iran and North Korea.

[Caribbean Hen]

I wonder why we had to keep Russia as public enemy number one after we won the Cold War …. The long term outcome should of been much better for the US and the world

China should be the enemy but that can’t happen with Xiben in office ..

I thought radical Muslims replaced Russia for awhile?

How would you like us to regard Russia?

It’s to late now

How many times did Putin ask former Presidents about Russia joining NATO?

[kalm]

I thought radical Muslims replaced Russia for awhile?

How would you like us to regard Russia?

It’s to late now

How many times did Putin ask former Presidents about Russia joining NATO?

I don’t know?

How many times has NATO invaded a country?

If that was Putin’s concern, his actions grew the size of NATO and brought it closer Russia. Good job!

[Caribbean Hen]

It’s to late now

How many times did Putin ask former Presidents about Russia joining NATO?

I don’t know?

How many times has NATO invaded a country?

If that was Putin’s concern, his actions grew the size of NATO and brought it closer Russia. Good job!

I know he asked at least twice

Clinton followed by George Bush

The Cold War was over and yet that fact didn’t seem to sink in 25 years ago when he was told …. Don’t think so

[kalm]

I don’t know?

How many times has NATO invaded a country?

If that was Putin’s concern, his actions grew the size of NATO and brought it closer Russia. Good job!

I know he asked at least twice

Clinton followed by George Bush

The Cold War was over and yet that fact didn’t seem to sink in 25 years ago when he was told …. Don’t think so

This was all debated earlier in the thread. Putin’s actions have proven it was not a wise choice.

[Caribbean Hen]

I know he asked at least twice

Clinton followed by George Bush

The Cold War was over and yet that fact didn’t seem to sink in 25 years ago when he was told …. Don’t think so

This was all debated earlier in the thread. Putin’s actions have proven it was not a wise choice.

Not being able to work with him has proven to be a disaster. Back in the day some young journalists would lay it all out, but now you better get in line with the puppet masters or else

[kalm]

This was all debated earlier in the thread. Putin’s actions have proven it was not a wise choice.

Not being able to work with him has proven to be a disaster. Back in the day some young journalists would lay it all out, but now you better get in line with the puppet masters or else

Why are siding with Putin? Do you think his actions engender trust?

[Caribbean Hen]

Not being able to work with him has proven to be a disaster. Back in the day some young journalists would lay it all out, but now you better get in line with the puppet masters or else

Why are siding with Putin? Do you think his actions engender trust?

I’m not siding with Putin. I’m also not nodding my head in agreement with everything in the establishment tells you.

There are a lot of shaky characters in the world that the US has managed to get along with. For some reason they could never get it right with Putin and Russia, after the cold war was over.

[houndawg]

I agree with much of this. The “regardless of of the cost to Palestinian lives” part, I don’t.

You are an exception. Most nations/peoples/cultures will prioritize the lives of their own people over the lives of other peoples.

At least Israel cares about Israeli lives. Hamas doesn't care about Israeli or Palestinian lives. Which is the greater evil?

Caring more than Hamas is not a difficult standard to exceed

I think Netanyahu is OK with losing the hostages if it prolongs his time in power

[houndawg]

Why are siding with Putin? Do you think his actions engender trust?

I’m not siding with Putin. I’m also not nodding my head in agreement with everything in the establishment tells you.

There are a lot of shaky characters in the world that the US has managed to get along with. For some reason they could never get it right with Putin and Russia, after the cold war was over.

Whachoo talkin' bout, Willis?

We got along pretty well until Putin took power - glasnost, perestroika, Yeltsin, Gorbachev ... The Russians lost a great deal of their sphere of influence when the Soviet Union came apart and Putin's schtik has always been about returning to the good old days of the Soviet Union as a nuclear superpower. Invading the breadbasket of Europe is a big step in that direction.

[kalm]

I’m not siding with Putin. I’m also not nodding my head in agreement with everything in the establishment tells you.

There are a lot of shaky characters in the world that the US has managed to get along with. For some reason they could never get it right with Putin and Russia, after the cold war was over.

Whachoo talkin' bout, Willis?

We got along pretty well until Putin took power - glasnost, perestroika, Yeltsin, Gorbachev ... The Russians lost a great deal of their sphere of influence when the Soviet Union came apart and Putin's schtik has always been about returning to the good old days of the Soviet Union as a nuclear superpower. Invading the breadbasket of Europe is a big step in that direction.

Restoring the lost glory of the old empire is literally in their daily propaganda.

[UNI88]

Whachoo talkin' bout, Willis?

We got along pretty well until Putin took power - glasnost, perestroika, Yeltsin, Gorbachev ... The Russians lost a great deal of their sphere of influence when the Soviet Union came apart and Putin's schtik has always been about returning to the good old days of the Soviet Union as a nuclear superpower. Invading the breadbasket of Europe is a big step in that direction.

Restoring the lost glory of the old empire is literally in their daily propaganda.

But, but, but putin asked about joining NATO and we didn't take him seriously. Invading Ukraine was just a temper tantrum to show his displeasure. It wasn't his fault, it was ours. That and Zelenskyy is corrupt and a Nazi and ...

... MAQA yahoos will keep throwing logical bullshit at the wall and hope something makes sense. All in the name of defending trump and is mentally unstable obsession with dictators like putin and jong un.

[houndawg]

IT WAS UKRAINE.




ok, fine. it was ISIS. but, maybe ukraine still?

and SeattleGriz laps it up.


https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-a ... st-attack/

You do remember there is a whole thread on you being gullible about Russia collusion...right?

Just checking.

You're alive! I assumed that you're working out your explantion for why the godless commies closing down Ukraine's version of Christianity is a good thing for all concerned. Not that I disagree, just having fun watching you warm up the pretzelogic boogie

[Caribbean Hen]

Restoring the lost glory of the old empire is literally in their daily propaganda.

But, but, but putin asked about joining NATO and we didn't take him seriously. Invading Ukraine was just a temper tantrum to show his displeasure. It wasn't his fault, it was ours. That and Zelenskyy is corrupt and a Nazi and ...

... MAQA yahoos will keep throwing logical bullshit at the wall and hope something makes sense. All in the name of defending trump and is mentally unstable obsession with dictators like putin and jong un.

What does Trump have the do with any of this?

Putin was under control when Donny was in power

Have you noticed how everything started falling apart when Joey Idol took over…

You guys are seriously infected

[UNI88]

But, but, but putin asked about joining NATO and we didn't take him seriously. Invading Ukraine was just a temper tantrum to show his displeasure. It wasn't his fault, it was ours. That and Zelenskyy is corrupt and a Nazi and ...

... MAQA yahoos will keep throwing logical bullshit at the wall and hope something makes sense. All in the name of defending trump and is mentally unstable obsession with dictators like putin and jong un.

What does Trump have the do with any of this?

Putin was under control when Donny was in power

Have you noticed how everything started falling apart when Joey Idol took over…

You guys are seriously infected

There is a difference between causation and correlation.

If you can assume that biden was the reason that "everything started falling apart" then I can assume that trump dismissed his interpreter in Helsinki so that there would be no witnesses when putin tied him up and played dominatrix.

[SeattleGriz]

You do remember there is a whole thread on you being gullible about Russia collusion...right?

Just checking.

You're alive! I assumed that you're working out your explantion for why the godless commies closing down Ukraine's version of Christianity is a good thing for all concerned. Not that I disagree, just having fun watching you warm up the pretzelogic boogie

Wut? Didn't Zelensky restrict/confine Christianity in Ukraine already? Putin's putting the cherry on top, you say?

On a more important note. I slapped an engineer around today. Cried like a baby. Like you.

[houndawg]

You're alive! I assumed that you're working out your explantion for why the godless commies closing down Ukraine's version of Christianity is a good thing for all concerned. Not that I disagree, just having fun watching you warm up the pretzelogic boogie

Wut? Didn't Zelensky restrict/confine Christianity in Ukraine already? Putin's putting the cherry on top, you say?

On a more important note. I slapped my weewee around today.

Not sure, don't care, doesn't matter. Just getting a chuckle out your contortions.

Zelensky hasn't sent troops into churches.

[SeattleGriz]

But, but, but putin asked about joining NATO and we didn't take him seriously. Invading Ukraine was just a temper tantrum to show his displeasure. It wasn't his fault, it was ours. That and Zelenskyy is corrupt and a Nazi and ...

... MAQA yahoos will keep throwing logical bullshit at the wall and hope something makes sense. All in the name of defending trump and is mentally unstable obsession with dictators like putin and jong un.

What does Trump have the do with any of this?

Putin was under control when Donny was in power

Have you noticed how everything started falling apart when Joey Idol took over…

You guys are seriously infected

I thought Obama said Russian boogey men were 80's.

What the fuck did that lazy bastard Obama do to America to make Russia such a powerhouse in so little time.

Thanks Klam, Hdoge, StUni and GFan for your substantial short sightedness.

[UNI88]

‘Stop Bringing Up Nazis and Hitler’: Moskowitz Goes Off On Marjorie Taylor Greene In Tense Hearing

Now I want to address something else that went on in this committee. By another member and I say this as someone whose grandparents, escaped the Holocaust. My grandmother was part of the Kindertransport out of Germany. Her parents were killed in Auschwitz. My grandfather, her husband, escaped Poland from the pogroms. Her parents were killed in Auschwitz. My grandfather, her husband escaped Poland from the pogroms. You know, the idea that we pretend that behavior is acceptable and regular. There are no concentration camps in Ukraine. They’re not taking babies and shooting them in the air because they’re Jewish. There’s no gas chambers. There’s no ovens. They’re not railing people in. They’re not ripping gold out of people’s mouth. They’re not taking stuff out of their home. They’re not trying to erase a people, the Ukrainians.

Stop bringing up Nazis and Hitler. The only people who know about Nazis and Hitler are the 10 million people and their families who lost their loved ones. Generations of people who were wiped out. It is enough of this disgusting behavior using Nazis as propaganda. You want to talk about Nazis? Get yourself over to the Holocaust Museum, you go see what Nazis did. It’s despicable that we use that and we allow it, and we sit here like somehow it’s regular.

Moskowitz slaps marge so hard that he might have knocked putin off his bear.

[BDKJMU]

US weighs sending additional military advisers to Ukraine as Russia gains momentum
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/us ... r-AA1nmNeo

Military advisors in a foreign conflict. Where have we heard that one before? Remember when Trump was going to get us into WWIII?

[Caribbean Hen]

US weighs sending additional military advisers to Ukraine as Russia gains momentum
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/us ... r-AA1nmNeo

Military advisors in a foreign conflict. Where have we heard that one before? Remember when Trump was going to get us into WWIII?

It’s becoming clearer now why they hated Trump so much. This country needs war and the swamp will do whatever is necessary to keep it so

[kalm]

So what made Johnson flip?