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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:16 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:08 pm

They’ll blame Ukraine to justify more civilian bombing.
They caught the terrorist heading to Ukraine, so we'll see.
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...caught them on the scene - hundreds of miles from Ukraine. :coffee:
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If Ukraine was behind it, why would the perpetrators try to escape directly to Ukraine?

1) An active war zone has to be much harder to cross than another, more peaceful border. If they were Ukrainian, it would have been a lot easier to cross into a Baltic state and make your way to Ukraine from there.

2) It would point the finger of blame directly at Ukraine and they know that putin will blow up an apartment building, shopping mall, etc. in retaliation.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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houndawg wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:49 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:16 pm

They caught the terrorist heading to Ukraine, so we'll see.
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...caught them on the scene - hundreds of miles from Ukraine. :coffee:
90 miles enroute

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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:51 am
houndawg wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:49 am

:rofl:

...caught them on the scene - hundreds of miles from Ukraine. :coffee:
90 miles enroute

:coffee:

See! I told you you'd get the coffee treatment.
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bullshit. :coffee:
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IT WAS UKRAINE.




ok, fine. it was ISIS. but, maybe ukraine still?

and SeattleGriz laps it up.
Russian President Vladimir Putin for the first time on Monday acknowledged that last week’s terror attack in Moscow was carried out by Islamic militants, but once again attempted to pin the blame on his favorite scapegoat Ukraine.

“We know that the crime was carried out by radical Islamists,” Putin said in televised remarks after a videoconference meeting with regional officials, special services and law enforcement agencies. But he added the Kremlin was investigating “who ordered” the attack and implied Kyiv was responsible.

“The question that arises is who benefits from this? This atrocity may be just a link in a whole series of attempts by those who have been at war with our country since 2014 by the hands of the neo-Nazi Kyiv regime,” Putin claimed.
https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-a ... st-attack/
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:16 am IT WAS UKRAINE.




ok, fine. it was ISIS. but, maybe ukraine still?

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Russian President Vladimir Putin for the first time on Monday acknowledged that last week’s terror attack in Moscow was carried out by Islamic militants, but once again attempted to pin the blame on his favorite scapegoat Ukraine.

“We know that the crime was carried out by radical Islamists,” Putin said in televised remarks after a videoconference meeting with regional officials, special services and law enforcement agencies. But he added the Kremlin was investigating “who ordered” the attack and implied Kyiv was responsible.

“The question that arises is who benefits from this? This atrocity may be just a link in a whole series of attempts by those who have been at war with our country since 2014 by the hands of the neo-Nazi Kyiv regime,” Putin claimed.
https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-a ... st-attack/
So now Ukraine is not just a "neo-Nazi" regime, but they are also Islamic terrorists? Goodness, that's a pretty broad political spectrum they have in Ukraine these days. :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:25 am
Skjellyfetti wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:16 am IT WAS UKRAINE.




ok, fine. it was ISIS. but, maybe ukraine still?

and SeattleGriz laps it up.


https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-a ... st-attack/
So now Ukraine is not just a "neo-Nazi" regime, but they are also Islamic terrorists? Goodness, that's a pretty broad political spectrum they have in Ukraine these days. :coffee:
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:29 am
GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:25 am

So now Ukraine is not just a "neo-Nazi" regime, but they are also Islamic terrorists? Goodness, that's a pretty broad political spectrum they have in Ukraine these days. :coffee:
I didn’t know Ukraine had open borders
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:16 am IT WAS UKRAINE.




ok, fine. it was ISIS. but, maybe ukraine still?

and SeattleGriz laps it up.
Russian President Vladimir Putin for the first time on Monday acknowledged that last week’s terror attack in Moscow was carried out by Islamic militants, but once again attempted to pin the blame on his favorite scapegoat Ukraine.

“We know that the crime was carried out by radical Islamists,” Putin said in televised remarks after a videoconference meeting with regional officials, special services and law enforcement agencies. But he added the Kremlin was investigating “who ordered” the attack and implied Kyiv was responsible.

“The question that arises is who benefits from this? This atrocity may be just a link in a whole series of attempts by those who have been at war with our country since 2014 by the hands of the neo-Nazi Kyiv regime,” Putin claimed.
https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-a ... st-attack/
You do remember there is a whole thread on you being gullible about Russia collusion...right?

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A former Massachusetts city council member who fled the United States in January just days before he was due to stand trial on charges of possessing child pornography has enlisted in the Russian military, according to a video being shared widely on Russian pro-war channels.

The video describes how the man, whom it refers to simply as Will, signed a contract with Russia’s Defence Ministry and had already seen active combat in the battle for Avdiivka.

“I definitely would do it again, I’d go back if I could,” he told an interviewer while being filmed signing papers at a Russian military recruitment centre.

The video also said that “Will” had been persuaded to enlist by the Russian military’s signing bonus of 745,000 rubles (€7,450) and its bi-monthly salary of 150,000 rubles (€1,500).
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:05 pm
A former Massachusetts city council member who fled the United States in January just days before he was due to stand trial on charges of possessing child pornography has enlisted in the Russian military, according to a video being shared widely on Russian pro-war channels.

The video describes how the man, whom it refers to simply as Will, signed a contract with Russia’s Defence Ministry and had already seen active combat in the battle for Avdiivka.

“I definitely would do it again, I’d go back if I could,” he told an interviewer while being filmed signing papers at a Russian military recruitment centre.

The video also said that “Will” had been persuaded to enlist by the Russian military’s signing bonus of 745,000 rubles (€7,450) and its bi-monthly salary of 150,000 rubles (€1,500).
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/0 ... my-en-news
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"I think Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it's infected a good chunk of my party's base," House Foreign Affairs Committee chair and Texas Republican, Michael McCaul, told Puck News.
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..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
..But you have to go home now. We have to have peace…
..I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 4:40 am
The swamp obviously wants war, Trump doesn’t and it should be clear to anyone this is the main reason they hate Trump so much. The mean tweets theme was for nothing more than dumb elitist that can’t pay off their college loans
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 4:40 am
The swamp obviously wants war, Trump doesn’t and it should be clear to anyone this is the main reason they hate Trump so much. The mean tweets theme was for nothing more than dumb elitist that can’t pay off their college loans
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 5:25 am
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 4:40 am
The swamp obviously wants war, Trump doesn’t and it should be clear to anyone this is the main reason they hate Trump so much. The mean tweets theme was for nothing more than dumb elitist that can’t pay off their college loans
How many wars has NATO started again?

Meanwhile, Trump, wants Israel to “finish” them in in GAZA.
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:09 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 5:25 am

The swamp obviously wants war, Trump doesn’t and it should be clear to anyone this is the main reason they hate Trump so much. The mean tweets theme was for nothing more than dumb elitist that can’t pay off their college loans
How many wars has NATO started again?

Meanwhile, Trump, wants Israel to “finish” them in in GAZA.
Like finishing the NAZIS in Germany..
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 5:25 am
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 4:40 am
The swamp obviously wants war, Trump doesn’t and it should be clear to anyone this is the main reason they hate Trump so much. The mean tweets theme was for nothing more than dumb elitist that can’t pay off their college loans
Ukraine joining NATO should be a requirement of any peace deal. That is how you disincentivize russia from trying to take another bite of Ukraine in the future.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:41 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:09 am

How many wars has NATO started again?

Meanwhile, Trump, wants Israel to “finish” them in in GAZA.
Like finishing the NAZIS in Germany..
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:58 am
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:41 am
Like finishing the NAZIS in Germany..
No.
I have no problem with "finishing" Hamas. They share many similarities with Nazis.

I regret the loss of life but the Palestinian people are not without blame for what is currently happening. They have allowed Hamas to shelter among civilians, especially the most vulnerable.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:08 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:58 am

No.
I have no problem with "finishing" Hamas. They share many similarities with Nazis.

I regret the loss of life but the Palestinian people are not without blame for what is currently happening. They have allowed Hamas to shelter among civilians, especially the most vulnerable.
No one here has an issue with “finishing” Hamas. It’s the how. Trump and Bibi are not who we want doing it.

And as a reminder, the majority of Palestinians are not adults. The 200 plus aid workers and journalists - some likely intentionally killed - didn’t vote for Hamas.
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:54 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:08 am
I have no problem with "finishing" Hamas. They share many similarities with Nazis.

I regret the loss of life but the Palestinian people are not without blame for what is currently happening. They have allowed Hamas to shelter among civilians, especially the most vulnerable.
No one here has an issue with “finishing” Hamas. It’s the how. Trump and Bibi are not who we want doing it.

And as a reminder, the majority of Palestinians are not adults. The 200 plus aid workers and journalists - some likely intentionally killed - didn’t vote for Hamas.
No duh. The last election in Gaza was in 2006 and I believe they had to be 18 to vote so no one under the age of 36 could have voted for Hamas. Just because they didn't vote for Hamas doesn't mean they don't directly or indirectly support them. Are Palestinians in Gaza more likely to protest against Hamas or celebrate Israeli (or American) deaths?

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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:22 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:54 am

No one here has an issue with “finishing” Hamas. It’s the how. Trump and Bibi are not who we want doing it.

And as a reminder, the majority of Palestinians are not adults. The 200 plus aid workers and journalists - some likely intentionally killed - didn’t vote for Hamas.
No duh. The last election in Gaza was in 2006 and I believe they had to be 18 to vote so no one under the age of 36 could have voted for Hamas. Just because they didn't vote for Hamas doesn't mean they don't directly or indirectly support them. Are Palestinians in Gaza more likely to protest against Hamas or celebrate Israeli (or American) deaths?

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Palestinians celebrate a Jerusalem terror attack that killed seven Israelis near a synagogue, in Gaza City, January 27, 2023. (Mahmud Hams/AFP)
No duh back at ya. The oppressed and religious are going to support the obvious. Has Israel given them much of a reason to be different?

But to be fair, other Muslim countries have fanned those flames.
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:33 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:22 am

No duh. The last election in Gaza was in 2006 and I believe they had to be 18 to vote so no one under the age of 36 could have voted for Hamas. Just because they didn't vote for Hamas doesn't mean they don't directly or indirectly support them. Are Palestinians in Gaza more likely to protest against Hamas or celebrate Israeli (or American) deaths?

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No duh back at ya. The oppressed and religious are going to support the obvious. Has Israel given them much of a reason to be different?

But to be fair, other Muslim countries have fanned those flames.
My point is that this is a crappy situation but it isn't all Israel's fault. The Palestinian people are suffering but they are not without fault for their situation and that suffering. Hamas has to go and the Palestinian people of Gaza need/needed to help make that happen.

Hamas lit the fire and part of the reason they did so was because they knew Israel would react with force and that would fan anti-Israeli feelings across the world and increase funding for Hamas.

Any peace with Hamas is temporary. It just gives them time to regroup, recruit and rearm before the next terrorist attack(s) and the cycle will start all over again. Ending Hamas is the only way to have a chance of ending that cycle. I don't blame Israel for saying enough is enough, we're going to end Hamas now regardless of the cost to Palestinian lives because we can save Israeli lives in the future if we do.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:51 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:33 am

No duh back at ya. The oppressed and religious are going to support the obvious. Has Israel given them much of a reason to be different?

But to be fair, other Muslim countries have fanned those flames.
My point is that this is a crappy situation but it isn't all Israel's fault. The Palestinian people are suffering but they are not without fault for their situation and that suffering. Hamas has to go and the Palestinian people of Gaza need/needed to help make that happen.

Hamas lit the fire and part of the reason they did so was because they knew Israel would react with force and that would fan anti-Israeli feelings across the world and increase funding for Hamas.

Any peace with Hamas is temporary. It just gives them time to regroup, recruit and rearm before the next terrorist attack(s) and the cycle will start all over again. Ending Hamas is the only way to have a chance of ending that cycle. I don't blame Israel for saying enough is enough, we're going to end Hamas now regardless of the cost to Palestinian lives because we can save Israeli lives in the future if we do.
I agree with much of this. The “regardless of human lives” part, I don’t.
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