The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

Ukraine is on their third army. They just keep sending men and equipment into the grinder.

Thats what you do when your country is invaded by a hostile neighbor - and guess what? Putin has no way out of this alive.

You can't be so dim as to seriously think that NATO is going to spend the kind of money we have been spending on Ukraine just to let some third world punk have control of Europe's Breadbasket. Can you?

I have no clue how stupid the neocons are in this regard, but it should have sane people worried. It's much more than just control of Ukraine that is at stake here.

[UNI88]

Thats what you do when your country is invaded by a hostile neighbor - and guess what? Putin has no way out of this alive.

You can't be so dim as to seriously think that NATO is going to spend the kind of money we have been spending on Ukraine just to let some third world punk have control of Europe's Breadbasket. Can you?

I have no clue how stupid the neocons are in this regard, but it should have sane people worried. It's much more than just control of Ukraine that is at stake here.

It's control of the Jewish space lasers, isn't it? That's what's at stake here.

[houndawg]

Thats what you do when your country is invaded by a hostile neighbor - and guess what? Putin has no way out of this alive.

You can't be so dim as to seriously think that NATO is going to spend the kind of money we have been spending on Ukraine just to let some third world punk have control of Europe's Breadbasket. Can you?

I have no clue how stupid the neocons are in this regard, but it should have sane people worried. It's much more than just control of Ukraine that is at stake here.

You say that but you don't seem to understand it - but thank you for reinforcing my point

[houndawg]

I have no clue how stupid the neocons are in this regard, but it should have sane people worried. It's much more than just control of Ukraine that is at stake here.

It's control of the Jewish space lasers, isn't it? That's what's at stake here.

Mazel Tough!

[SeattleGriz]

I have no clue how stupid the neocons are in this regard, but it should have sane people worried. It's much more than just control of Ukraine that is at stake here.

You say that but you don't seem to understand it - but thank you for reinforcing my point

Coming from the guy who believes Russia blew up their own pipeline, that's gold.

[kalm]

Germany has finally decided to send a Leopard 2’s and releasing military partners to do the same.

Biden is announcing that we’re sending Abrams.

[Skjellyfetti]

You say that but you don't seem to understand it - but thank you for reinforcing my point

Coming from the guy who believes Russia blew up their own pipeline, that's gold.

You're right. If Russia tried, they would have ended up taking out a Danish maternity ward instead.

[BDKJMU]

Germany has finally decided to send a Leopard 2’s and releasing military partners to do the same.

Biden is announcing that we’re sending Abrams.

M1s, M1A1s, or M1A2s?

[houndawg]

Germany has finally decided to send a Leopard 2’s and releasing military partners to do the same.

Biden is announcing that we’re sending Abrams.

M1s, M1A1s, or M1A2s?

Doesn't matter, its just target practice.

[houndawg]

You say that but you don't seem to understand it - but thank you for reinforcing my point

Coming from the guy who believes Russia blew up their own pipeline, that's gold.

nice tap out.

[SeattleGriz]

Never looks good to swap leadership in the middle of a war.

But I thought we weren’t supposed to be supporting them because of corruption!

Now you care about Ukraine corruption? Talk about a day late and a dollar short.

[BDKJMU]

M1s, M1A1s, or M1A2s?

Doesn't matter, its just target practice.

Sure as hell does matter, esp if its the highly technical, digitized A2. Who pray tell is going to maintain these tanks on/near the battlefield? It will take time to train crews, and even longer to train maintenance personnel.

[houndawg]

Doesn't matter, its just target practice.

Sure as hell does matter, esp if its the highly technical, digitized A2. Who pray tell is going to maintain these tanks on/near the battlefield? It will take time to train crews, and even longer to train maintenance personnel.

What a fucking halfwit.

You thinking they haven't been training on them for months already? Ukrainians are an educated populace from an agricultural country - there won't be any problem finding knucklebusters. You can bet they'll have made practical improvements that will be incorporated into the design in the future. This is going to be a bonanza for our economy - nobody wants cheap Russian shit anymore and ours will hit the market with a history of Thagomizing the Russian's pitiful excuse for military equipment..

[houndawg]

You say that but you don't seem to understand it - but thank you for reinforcing my point

Coming from the guy who believes Russia blew up their own pipeline, that's gold.

...you mean it was Poland?!

[BDKJMU]

Sure as hell does matter, esp if its the highly technical, digitized A2. Who pray tell is going to maintain these tanks on/near the battlefield? It will take time to train crews, and even longer to train maintenance personnel.

What a fucking halfwit.

You thinking they haven't been training on them for months already? Ukrainians are an educated populace from an agricultural country - there won't be any problem finding knucklebusters. You can bet they'll have made practical improvements that will be incorporated into the design in the future. This is going to be a bonanza for our economy - nobody wants cheap Russian shit anymore and ours will hit the market with a history of Thagomizing the Russian's pitiful excuse for military equipment..

Your dementia is as bad as your boy Biden's. Horrible for our economy. Military industrial complex gets a short term boost from the taxpayers, which will just bury us further in debt. 100 billion already pissed away that we aren't going to be paid for, and anything else sent that crooked government's way will be "given" not sold courtesy of the US taxpayers. We didn't trade squat with Ukraine before, and we won't be after this thing is over with their economy absolutely wrecked.

[Skjellyfetti]

[kalm]

What a fucking halfwit.

You thinking they haven't been training on them for months already? Ukrainians are an educated populace from an agricultural country - there won't be any problem finding knucklebusters. You can bet they'll have made practical improvements that will be incorporated into the design in the future. This is going to be a bonanza for our economy - nobody wants cheap Russian shit anymore and ours will hit the market with a history of Thagomizing the Russian's pitiful excuse for military equipment..

Your dementia is as bad as your boy Biden's. Horrible for our economy. Military industrial complex gets a short term boost from the taxpayers, which will just bury us further in debt. 100 billion already pissed away that we aren't going to be paid for, and anything else sent that crooked government's way will be "given" not sold courtesy of the US taxpayers. We didn't trade squat with Ukraine before, and we won't be after this thing is over with their economy absolutely wrecked.

Just like Japan and Germany!

[Silenoz]

This is what I've been saying about capabilities if true. If you don't know what is happening, here it is. Ukraine has been relying on US drones and other aircraft to give them early warning when a missile attack is coming. That way, Ukraine can leave their air defense off until it needs to be switched on as late as possible.

The point is by keeping air defense off, the Russians can't pinpoint and take them out. Once again, if true, it now looks as if Russia is able to "jam" US surveillance and Ukraine won't get that heads up.

...yeah, this is the beginning of the end.

I mean, beyond that dumbass's nonexistent bonanafides, and his 11 months worth of tweets being dead wrong about the war every step of the way, I love how even his own people won't claim him
https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic. ... 1&start=10

I'd say that sort of intimate talk about the sort of lunatics SG follows should at least give him pause to evaluate what he trusts and believes, but obviously that won't happen.

[BDKJMU]

Your dementia is as bad as your boy Biden's. Horrible for our economy. Military industrial complex gets a short term boost from the taxpayers, which will just bury us further in debt. 100 billion already pissed away that we aren't going to be paid for, and anything else sent that crooked government's way will be "given" not sold courtesy of the US taxpayers. We didn't trade squat with Ukraine before, and we won't be after this thing is over with their economy absolutely wrecked.

Just like Japan and Germany!

Japan attacked us, declared war on us, and was in the process of taking over the entire western Pacific along with a good chunk of Asia.

Germany had taken over almost all of Europe, and a good chunk of Russia AND declared war on us.

You think Russis is going to try to take over allmost all of Europe? You think they’ed be able to? You think they’d declare war on us?

[houndawg]

...yeah, this is the beginning of the end.

I mean, beyond that dumbass's nonexistent bonanafides, and his 11 months worth of tweets being dead wrong about the war every step of the way, I love how even his own people won't claim him
https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic. ... 1&start=10

I'd say that sort of intimate talk about the sort of lunatics SG follows should at least give him pause to evaluate what he trusts and believes, but obviously that won't happen.

Ah.....much becomes clear now. I had thought he was a more garden-variety evangelical wackadoodle. Them Mos are some live ones - they have figured out, like scientology, that the best bait for snaring new members (and 10% of their income), is attractive young women. And they got 'em in Utah big time.

[kalm]

Just like Japan and Germany!

Japan attacked us, declared war on us, and was in the process of taking over the entire western Pacific along with a good chunk of Asia.

Germany had taken over almost all of Europe, and a good chunk of Russia AND declared war on us.

You think Russis is going to try to take over allmost all of Europe? You think they’ed be able to? You think they’d declare war on us?

The point…whoosh!

We rebuilt and developed trade relationships with even our enemies.

Beyond that…there are obvious world wide trade and security implications. Also Democracy.

[houndawg]

Just like Japan and Germany!

Japan attacked us, declared war on us, and was in the process of taking over the entire western Pacific along with a good chunk of Asia.

Germany had taken over almost all of Europe, and a good chunk of Russia AND declared war on us.

You think Russis is going to try to take over allmost all of Europe? You think they’ed be able to? You think they’d declare war on us?

I don't know - what do youthink is the right amount of territory that Ukraine should give up in exchange for promises of peace?

[SeattleGriz]

I mean, beyond that dumbass's nonexistent bonanafides, and his 11 months worth of tweets being dead wrong about the war every step of the way, I love how even his own people won't claim him
https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic. ... 1&start=10

I'd say that sort of intimate talk about the sort of lunatics SG follows should at least give him pause to evaluate what he trusts and believes, but obviously that won't happen.

Ah.....much becomes clear now. I had thought he was a more garden-variety evangelical wackadoodle. Them Mos are some live ones - they have figured out, like scientology, that the best bait for snaring new members (and 10% of their income), is attractive young women. And they got 'em in Utah big time.

You actually went to discussmormom? To try and refute a military capability that you didn't even refute?

How about some information on the capability of the Russians being able to "blind" US defense. Did this truly happen or is there another explanation.

[BDKJMU]

Japan attacked us, declared war on us, and was in the process of taking over the entire western Pacific along with a good chunk of Asia.

Germany had taken over almost all of Europe, and a good chunk of Russia AND declared war on us.

You think Russis is going to try to take over allmost all of Europe? You think they’ed be able to? You think they’d declare war on us?

I don't know - what do youthink is the right amount of territory that Ukraine should give up in exchange for promises of peace?

Whatever ends it the quickest so our benevolent govt quits pissing away ginormous sums of taxpayer $$$ into a corrupt country fighting another even more corrupt country. Because outside of our tax dollars being pissed away, whether Russia takes over all of Ukraine, some of Ukraine, or none of Ukraine, will have zero effect on my life.

[UNI88]

I don't know - what do youthink is the right amount of territory that Ukraine should give up in exchange for promises of peace?

Whatever ends it the quickest so our benevolent govt quits pissing away ginormous sums of taxpayer $$$ into a corrupt country fighting another even more corrupt country. Because outside of our tax dollars being pissed away, whether Russia takes over all of Ukraine, some of Ukraine, or none of Ukraine, will have zero effect on my life.

Ukraine's strategic location and role as the breadbasket of Europe make it important in the grand scheme. Whether Russia takes over all of Ukraine, some of Ukraine, or none of Ukraine, might have zero effect on your life but it could have a significant long-term effects on world peace and international commerce which would impact many Americans.