SeattleGriz wrote:UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:18 pm
russia’s military is closer to Sweden’s than it is to the US’ or China’s. They’re a super power paper tiger. The only thing that makes them a super power is their nukes.
Prove me wrong. Explain how failing to defeat an inferior military is good for russia. Explain how russia isn’t suffering from a demographic crisis (deaths exceeding births, the life expectancy of a third world country, etc.) that’s been exasperated by the war.
Russia just stomped the shit out of a NATO supplied and trained Ukraine three times over, by simply letting Ukraine throw itself into the meat grinder. Russia subdued the Ukrainians with far less men.
What you don't understand is Ukraine was supposed to be the proving ground of a new style of fighting. Using ISR and stand off weaponry to attack from distance. Russia overcame that style quite easily.
Why do you think Ukraine was willing to negotiate and then changed plans? What do you suppose the US and UK offered Ukraine to get them to keep fighting. It would have to be some new weapon (HIMARS) that was going to strike from a distance.
Russia out produced all of the EU and US on a military industrial scale and it isn't even close.
In regards to your claims about Russia's demographic crisis. Show some work. You just doing your usual of making a claim and then never backing it up ain't gonna fly.
I didn’t realize that trying to take Kiev and failing, adjusting to trying to take eastern Ukraine and failing, adjusting again to taking whatever they can and then giving ground slowly and painfully (for both sides) equaled stomping the shit out of.
If russia easily overcame Ukraine they’d be in Kiev installing a fascist puppet.
Links showing Ukraine wanted to negotiate and were persuaded not to. And nothing from your Swiss cheese crackpot expert or the equivalent.
russia has outproduced the EU and US in making vodka (and drinking it, part of the demographic crisis).
Lots and lots of articles on the demographic crisis and they go back to before the illegal invasion of Crimea. I can’t help you if you’re too lazy or zombified to look them up.