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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:21 am
kalm wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:52 am

Found a hat for you tankies…

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Noted. You're upset your propaganda is being shut down too.
This might help you.

Naomi Klein examines the mushrooming of conspiracism in her new book Doppelganger, noting that people often come under its sway because they are searching for a practical solution to a sense of unfairness. Conspiracists have a “fantasy of justice”, hoping that the evil-doing elites can be arrested and stopped. “Conspiracy theorists get the facts wrong but often get the feelings right,” she writes. “The feeling that every human misery is someone else’s profit … the feeling that important truths are being hidden.” She quotes digital journalism scholar Marcus Gilroy-Ware’s conclusion that: “Conspiracy theories are a misfiring of a healthy and justifiable political instinct: suspicion.”

Lee’s appetite for conspiracies started to wane when the “alt-right” US broadcaster Alex Jones began claiming that the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax, that no one died and the parents of the 20 children who died were “crisis actors” – hired to play disaster victims. Lee found this implausible and felt irritated by other wild theories swirling around the internet – that Justin Bieber and Eminem were Illuminati clones, that a paedophile ring, involving people at the highest level of the Democratic party, was operating out of a Washington pizza restaurant. “I looked at Pizzagate and thought, ‘Well that’s just stupid.’” (He spends six podcast episodes debunking the Pizzagate conspiracy; this seems a pithier summary.)


When Covid triggered a popularity surge for conspiracy theorists, Lee was already done with it, and simply noted that if there really was a global movement working to establish a new world order through the pandemic, they were going about it in a strikingly ill-coordinated and muddled manner. “The governments weren’t acting in lockstep with each other. There was no well-oiled machine; it was disorganised. No one was in charge.”

He understands why other people were attracted to the idea: “Just like 9/11 brought people into conspiracies, Covid was another moment when people were scared and wanted answers, and they found conspiracy influencers saying: ‘Don’t worry about it, it’s not real.’”

Lee was an early adopter of ideas that have surged in popularity as people spend more time online, and as trust in the mainstream media falters with the suggestion (much propagated by the former US president Donald Trump) that they are spreaders of fake news. The emergence of QAnon (which propagates the baseless theory that Trump was battling a cabal of sex-trafficking satanists, some of whom were Democrats) has attracted more people to this world. Lee’s interests preceded the arrival of powerful opinion-shaping algorithms pushing people into closed loops of fact-free narratives. Since leaving the fold he has developed a sharp clarity about the self-interested financial motivations of conspiracists who work to monetise their online presence with increasingly wild, clickbaity dispatches.

We’re no longer talking about minor fringe movements – radicalisation is spreading through a complex system of beliefs “It’s a big problem that’s getting much worse. People are being manipulated with misinformation,” he says. He was disturbed by the death in 2021 of Ashli Babbitt, the woman shot by a police officer during the 6 January riots inside the US Capitol. Her Twitter feed was full of references to QAnon conspiracies. “That could have been me or my partner,” he says of Babbitt. “She believed what we believed. That’s what made me think I should speak out, tell my story to help bring other conspiracists out, so they don’t become the next Ashli.”
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... us-beliefs
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:00 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:21 am

Noted. You're upset your propaganda is being shut down too.
This might help you.

Naomi Klein examines the mushrooming of conspiracism in her new book Doppelganger, noting that people often come under its sway because they are searching for a practical solution to a sense of unfairness. Conspiracists have a “fantasy of justice”, hoping that the evil-doing elites can be arrested and stopped. “Conspiracy theorists get the facts wrong but often get the feelings right,” she writes. “The feeling that every human misery is someone else’s profit … the feeling that important truths are being hidden.” She quotes digital journalism scholar Marcus Gilroy-Ware’s conclusion that: “Conspiracy theories are a misfiring of a healthy and justifiable political instinct: suspicion.”

Lee’s appetite for conspiracies started to wane when the “alt-right” US broadcaster Alex Jones began claiming that the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax, that no one died and the parents of the 20 children who died were “crisis actors” – hired to play disaster victims. Lee found this implausible and felt irritated by other wild theories swirling around the internet – that Justin Bieber and Eminem were Illuminati clones, that a paedophile ring, involving people at the highest level of the Democratic party, was operating out of a Washington pizza restaurant. “I looked at Pizzagate and thought, ‘Well that’s just stupid.’” (He spends six podcast episodes debunking the Pizzagate conspiracy; this seems a pithier summary.)


When Covid triggered a popularity surge for conspiracy theorists, Lee was already done with it, and simply noted that if there really was a global movement working to establish a new world order through the pandemic, they were going about it in a strikingly ill-coordinated and muddled manner. “The governments weren’t acting in lockstep with each other. There was no well-oiled machine; it was disorganised. No one was in charge.”

He understands why other people were attracted to the idea: “Just like 9/11 brought people into conspiracies, Covid was another moment when people were scared and wanted answers, and they found conspiracy influencers saying: ‘Don’t worry about it, it’s not real.’”

Lee was an early adopter of ideas that have surged in popularity as people spend more time online, and as trust in the mainstream media falters with the suggestion (much propagated by the former US president Donald Trump) that they are spreaders of fake news. The emergence of QAnon (which propagates the baseless theory that Trump was battling a cabal of sex-trafficking satanists, some of whom were Democrats) has attracted more people to this world. Lee’s interests preceded the arrival of powerful opinion-shaping algorithms pushing people into closed loops of fact-free narratives. Since leaving the fold he has developed a sharp clarity about the self-interested financial motivations of conspiracists who work to monetise their online presence with increasingly wild, clickbaity dispatches.

We’re no longer talking about minor fringe movements – radicalisation is spreading through a complex system of beliefs “It’s a big problem that’s getting much worse. People are being manipulated with misinformation,” he says. He was disturbed by the death in 2021 of Ashli Babbitt, the woman shot by a police officer during the 6 January riots inside the US Capitol. Her Twitter feed was full of references to QAnon conspiracies. “That could have been me or my partner,” he says of Babbitt. “She believed what we believed. That’s what made me think I should speak out, tell my story to help bring other conspiracists out, so they don’t become the next Ashli.”
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... us-beliefs
The Guardian. :rofl: Talk about foil hat blueanon. I post facts and you post feelz.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:44 am
kalm wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:00 am

This might help you.




https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... us-beliefs
The Guardian. :rofl: Talk about foil hat blueanon. I post facts and you post feelz.
This reply is so 2012 when Baldy used to say the same when I posted Glenn Greenwald Guardian pieces. Bet you like Greenwald now, don’t ya? And Taibbi as well.

I guarantee you the Guardian is better journalism and more accurate reporting than Timcast or Heartland Ivstitute or whatever anything is you go to.

Attack the source, not the story and facts.

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:21 am
kalm wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:52 am

Found a hat for you tankies…

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Noted. You're upset your propaganda is being shut down too.
So you don't deny sucking Russian cock?

Are you an NRA member?
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kalm wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 12:16 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:44 am

The Guardian. :rofl: Talk about foil hat blueanon. I post facts and you post feelz.
This reply is so 2012 when Baldy used to say the same when I posted Glenn Greenwald Guardian pieces. Bet you like Greenwald now, don’t ya? And Taibbi as well.

I guarantee you the Guardian is better journalism and more accurate reporting than Timcast or Heartland Ivstitute or whatever anything is you go to.

Attack the source, not the story and facts.

:lol:
Just giving you a dose of your own medicine. Besides, the article was subjective. It wasn't about facts, it was about their feelz. Foil hat feelz.

Better journalism. :rofl: You just can't stay away from shit sources. Remember Mueller She Wrote? You used to quote her nonstop until she was exposed as a big fat liar.
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houndawg wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:58 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:21 am

Noted. You're upset your propaganda is being shut down too.
So you don't deny sucking Russian cock?

Are you an NRA member?
What is it with you and your obsession about sucking dicks?!?
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:28 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 12:16 pm

This reply is so 2012 when Baldy used to say the same when I posted Glenn Greenwald Guardian pieces. Bet you like Greenwald now, don’t ya? And Taibbi as well.

I guarantee you the Guardian is better journalism and more accurate reporting than Timcast or Heartland Ivstitute or whatever anything is you go to.

Attack the source, not the story and facts.

:lol:
Just giving you a dose of your own medicine. Besides, the article was subjective. It wasn't about facts, it was about their feelz. Foil hat feelz.

Better journalism. :rofl: You just can't stay away from shit sources. Remember Mueller She Wrote? You used to quote her nonstop until she was exposed as a big fat liar.
That’s why I said story and and facts. Ya see, SG, actual journalism contains both. :kisswink: Are there people out there susceptible to every conspiracy that agrees with their own bias?

Maaaaybe? :lol:

Remember MSW? I still follow her. What has she lied about? I do remember an attempted hit job on her that went nowhere. Otherwise, she’s a good aggregate for Trump legal news. Part of the reason I’m months ahead of you on most things.
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kalm wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:18 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:28 pm

Just giving you a dose of your own medicine. Besides, the article was subjective. It wasn't about facts, it was about their feelz. Foil hat feelz.

Better journalism. :rofl: You just can't stay away from shit sources. Remember Mueller She Wrote? You used to quote her nonstop until she was exposed as a big fat liar.
That’s why I said story and and facts. Ya see, SG, actual journalism contains both. :kisswink: Are there people out there susceptible to every conspiracy that agrees with their own bias?

Maaaaybe? :lol:

Remember MSW? I still follow her. What has she lied about? I do remember an attempted hit job on her that went nowhere. Otherwise, she’s a good aggregate for Trump legal news. Part of the reason I’m months ahead of you on most things.
:lol: Yes. How's your record on Trump going? 0 for ???, but any day now, they're gonna get him.
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SDHornet wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:54 pm Lots of Ukrainian Brosint accounts shutting down or "pivoting" to cover the Israeli War. The CIA propaganda money must be drying up.
Lol. What are your examples? Do you follow this pretty closely?

What was your reaction when Russia came down hard on pro-RU military bloggers? Something like that? Or, I guess it's just an example of how Russia has a very open and transparent society. :lol:

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Denazification is going swimmingly

Russians storm airport in attempt to attack passengers of Israeli flight
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-770738
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:30 pm
houndawg wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:58 pm

So you don't deny sucking Russian cock?

Are you an NRA member?
What is it with you and your obsession about sucking dicks?!?
I was commenting on your hat, and how if the shoe fits... :thumb:
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:25 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:18 pm

That’s why I said story and and facts. Ya see, SG, actual journalism contains both. :kisswink: Are there people out there susceptible to every conspiracy that agrees with their own bias?

Maaaaybe? :lol:

Remember MSW? I still follow her. What has she lied about? I do remember an attempted hit job on her that went nowhere. Otherwise, she’s a good aggregate for Trump legal news. Part of the reason I’m months ahead of you on most things.
:lol: Yes. How's your record on Trump going? 0 for ???, but any day now, they're gonna get him.
Pretty damn good… I think. But it’s tough to keep track of all the different cases and indictments.
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Go Russia!

(Warning: the sources may cause cranial explosion)

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Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:50 pm Denazification is going swimmingly

Russians storm airport in attempt to attack passengers of Israeli flight
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-770738
Ugly.
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kalm wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:48 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 4:25 pm

:lol: Yes. How's your record on Trump going? 0 for ???, but any day now, they're gonna get him.
Pretty damn good… I think. But it’s tough to keep track of all the different cases and indictments.
All the cases and indictments? Where have all those gone. That's like touting preseason rankings, only to fall to middle to bottom of the conference when the game is played.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:09 am
kalm wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:48 am

Pretty damn good… I think. But it’s tough to keep track of all the different cases and indictments.
All the cases and indictments? Where have all those gone. That's like touting preseason rankings, only to fall to middle to bottom of the conference when the game is played.
I had SDSU, MSU, Idaho, NDSU, and Furman in my pre-season top 10. I didn’t have EWU ranked at all.

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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:09 am
kalm wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:48 am

Pretty damn good… I think. But it’s tough to keep track of all the different cases and indictments.
All the cases and indictments? Where have all those gone. That's like touting preseason rankings, only to fall to middle to bottom of the conference when the game is played.
They are grist for the mill of justice, thats why all his lawyers are leaping from the train like fleas from a mangey dog. Even Ivanka is about to turn on him - she doesn't need his pittance anymore - thanks to Mr. Bone Saw she and Jared are worth 10x what her daddy is worth :lol:
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Might have something to do with Speaker Johnson separating out UKR spending from Israel funding.

Nah…

The Texas-based American Ethane company previously donated tens of thousands of dollars to the campaigns of Louisiana Republicans including Johnson, who was voted by the House to replace Rep. Kevin McCarthy as Speaker on Wednesday following three weeks of GOP chaos in the lower chamber.

While American Ethane was run in 2018 by American John Houghtaling, 88 percent of the firm was owned by three Russian nationals—Konstantin Nikolaev, Mikhail Yuriev, and Andrey Kunatbaev.
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kalm wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:21 am Might have something to do with Speaker Johnson separating out UKR spending from Israel funding.

Nah…

The Texas-based American Ethane company previously donated tens of thousands of dollars to the campaigns of Louisiana Republicans including Johnson, who was voted by the House to replace Rep. Kevin McCarthy as Speaker on Wednesday following three weeks of GOP chaos in the lower chamber.

While American Ethane was run in 2018 by American John Houghtaling, 88 percent of the firm was owned by three Russian nationals—Konstantin Nikolaev, Mikhail Yuriev, and Andrey Kunatbaev.
https://www.newsweek.com/house-speaker- ... na-1838501
Coincidence

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houndawg wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:09 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:21 am Might have something to do with Speaker Johnson separating out UKR spending from Israel funding.

Nah…




https://www.newsweek.com/house-speaker- ... na-1838501
Coincidence

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The Party of Reagan.

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kalm wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 2:17 pm
houndawg wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:09 pm

Coincidence

Republicans are all about standing up to the godless commies. :coffee:
The Party of Reagan.

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All clutching their pearls and bleating about Joes's mental health as if Presidents with dementia are something new... :ohno:
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:30 pm
SDHornet wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:54 pm Lots of Ukrainian Brosint accounts shutting down or "pivoting" to cover the Israeli War. The CIA propaganda money must be drying up.
Lol. What are your examples? Do you follow this pretty closely?

What was your reaction when Russia came down hard on pro-RU military bloggers? Something like that? Or, I guess it's just an example of how Russia has a very open and transparent society. :lol:

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So that vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive was all for naught. The war has finally reached a point where everyone with half a brain knew it would: Russia out attriting Ukraine/NATO. All those deaths on both sides for absolutely nothing. Good job Biden voters, this blood is on your hands, now lay in this bed you made and enjoy this L. :coffee:
WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-e ... rcna123628
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SDHornet wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:30 pm Lol. What are your examples? Do you follow this pretty closely?

What was your reaction when Russia came down hard on pro-RU military bloggers? Something like that? Or, I guess it's just an example of how Russia has a very open and transparent society. :lol:

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So that vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive was all for naught. The war has finally reached a point where everyone with half a brain knew it would: Russia out attriting Ukraine/NATO. All those deaths on both sides for absolutely nothing. Good job Biden voters, this blood is on your hands, now lay in this bed you made and enjoy this L. :coffee:
WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-e ... rcna123628
Will russia accept a peace deal that includes Ukraine joining NATO? Any deal without that is just giving russia time to prep for another invasion and should be a non-starter for Ukraine.


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SDHornet wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:00 am
Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 5:30 pm

Lol. What are your examples? Do you follow this pretty closely?

What was your reaction when Russia came down hard on pro-RU military bloggers? Something like that? Or, I guess it's just an example of how Russia has a very open and transparent society. :lol:

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So that vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive was all for naught. The war has finally reached a point where everyone with half a brain knew it would: Russia out attriting Ukraine/NATO. All those deaths on both sides for absolutely nothing. Good job Biden voters, this blood is on your hands, now lay in this bed you made and enjoy this L. :coffee:
WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-e ... rcna123628
All for not? Is it over? Did UKR surrender? Is Russia still strong like bull?
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:07 am
SDHornet wrote:
So that vaunted Ukrainian counteroffensive was all for naught. The war has finally reached a point where everyone with half a brain knew it would: Russia out attriting Ukraine/NATO. All those deaths on both sides for absolutely nothing. Good job Biden voters, this blood is on your hands, now lay in this bed you made and enjoy this L. :coffee:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-e ... rcna123628
Will russia accept a peace deal that includes Ukraine joining NATO? Any deal without that is just giving russia time to prep for another invasion and should be a non-starter for Ukraine.


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