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- Lied about shutting down GITMO
- drone attacks
- not repealing the Patriotic Act
- NSA ran amok
- NDAA (so unconstitutional it boggles the mind!)
- looking to sell the country out via TPP
- stagnant job growth
- skewed unemployment figures

Folks, ya know the country is in bad shape when slick Willie was the last GOOD POTUS we had! WOW!

FCS PATRIOTS wrote:- Lied about shutting down GITMO
- drone attacks
- not repealing the Patriotic Act
- NSA ran amok
- NDAA (so unconstitutional it boggles the mind!)
- looking to sell the country out via TPP
- stagnant job growth
- skewed unemployment figures

Folks, ya know the country is in bad shape when slick Willie was the last GOOD POTUS we had! WOW!

NATIONAL SECURITY!

Easy................look at the competition!!!!

mrklean wrote:

FCS PATRIOTS wrote:- Lied about shutting down GITMO
- drone attacks
- not repealing the Patriotic Act
- NSA ran amok
- NDAA (so unconstitutional it boggles the mind!)
- looking to sell the country out via TPP
- stagnant job growth
- skewed unemployment figures

Folks, ya know the country is in bad shape when slick Willie was the last GOOD POTUS we had! WOW!

NATIONAL SECURITY!

At what price? I'd rather have unlimited liberty than any feigned security any form of government can offer. The guy is Bush on steroids.

FCS PATRIOTS wrote:

mrklean wrote:
NATIONAL SECURITY!

At what price? I'd rather have unlimited liberty than any feigned security any form of government can offer. The guy is Bush on steroids.

Unlimited liberty? Really?

Grizalltheway wrote:

FCS PATRIOTS wrote:
At what price? I'd rather have unlimited liberty than any feigned security any form of government can offer. The guy is Bush on steroids.

Unlimited liberty? Really?

CONSITITUTIONAL liberty then. Better for ya!

FCS PATRIOTS wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:
Unlimited liberty? Really?

CONSITITUTIONAL liberty then. Better for ya!

But which "CONSTITUTIONAL Liberties". Most people I talk to about the Constitution want to go word for word with the Constitution, use their interpretation of those words and then pick and choose which amendments they will also accept and their interpretation of those words as well.

The only place I hear Liberals defending Obama is on this website...
The ones I hang with are pretty skittish right now regarding Obama conversations

Chizzang wrote:The only place I hear Liberals defending Obama is on this website...
The ones I hang with are pretty skittish right now regarding Obama conversations

They should be. They elected a guy with questionable experience and ability based solely on his oratory skills and his skin color.

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:The only place I hear Liberals defending Obama is on this website...
The ones I hang with are pretty skittish right now regarding Obama conversations

They should be. They elected a guy with questionable experience and ability based solely on his oratory skills and his skin color.

Actually they remind me a lot of the George Bush supporters towards the end of his debacle...
Mostly pretty quiet

Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
They should be. They elected a guy with questionable experience and ability based solely on his oratory skills and his skin color.

Actually they remind me a lot of the George Bush supporters towards the end of his debacle...
Mostly pretty quiet

You are only forgetting the part about the press ripping Bush at every step and defending Obama wherever. It's really very sad when a Democrat who is worse than Bush is still protected after the savaging Bush got.

It was like I always said. There are two options;

1) Obama is too stupid to come up with his own national security thoughts
or
2) Bush was correct.

End of lesson.

SeattleGriz wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Actually they remind me a lot of the George Bush supporters towards the end of his debacle...
Mostly pretty quiet

You are only forgetting the part about the press ripping Bush at every step and defending Obama wherever. It's really very sad when a Democrat who is worse than Bush is still protected after the savaging Bush got.

It was like I always said. There are two options;

1) Obama is too stupid to come up with his own national security thoughts
or
2) Bush was correct.

End of lesson.

Bush didn't "come up with" anything related to national security
Cheney did... and Obama is all in on War for Oil / War for Natural resources 100%
(see Afghanistan rare earth mining rights)

Chizzang wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
You are only forgetting the part about the press ripping Bush at every step and defending Obama wherever. It's really very sad when a Democrat who is worse than Bush is still protected after the savaging Bush got.

It was like I always said. There are two options;

1) Obama is too stupid to come up with his own national security thoughts
or
2) Bush was correct.

End of lesson.

Bush didn't "come up with" anything related to national security
Cheney did... and Obama is all in on War for Oil / War for Natural resources 100%
(see Afghanistan rare earth mining rights)

Oh God, here we go again. Bush was a complete idiot, but yet...he managed to fool everyone he was so smart. An idiot savant if you will.

Funny how Cheney ran the Presidency, but yet Biden is "second in line" to the Presidency. What does that tell us?

SeattleGriz wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Bush didn't "come up with" anything related to national security
Cheney did... and Obama is all in on War for Oil / War for Natural resources 100%
(see Afghanistan rare earth mining rights)

Oh God, here we go again. Bush was a complete idiot, but yet...he managed to fool everyone he was so smart. An idiot savant if you will.

Funny how Cheney ran the Presidency, but yet Biden is "second in line" to the Presidency. What does that tell us?

Or they could both be wrong.

kalm wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Oh God, here we go again. Bush was a complete idiot, but yet...he managed to fool everyone he was so smart. An idiot savant if you will.

Funny how Cheney ran the Presidency, but yet Biden is "second in line" to the Presidency. What does that tell us?

Or they could both be wrong.

Bush...er Cheney was wrong, and Obama is a complete idiot who doesn't know what he is doing?

SeattleGriz wrote:

kalm wrote:
Or they could both be wrong.

Bush...er Cheney was wrong, and Obama is a complete idiot who doesn't know what he is doing?

Bush and Obama are both idiots. Cheney...not so much. He knew exactly what he was doing.

kalm wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Bush...er Cheney was wrong, and Obama is a complete idiot who doesn't know what he is doing?

Bush and Obama are both idiots. Cheney...not so much. He knew exactly what he was doing.

I'll give you Obama is an idiot, Bush went along with the status quo, and Cheney was an evil mastermind.

SeattleGriz wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Bush didn't "come up with" anything related to national security
Cheney did... and Obama is all in on War for Oil / War for Natural resources 100%
(see Afghanistan rare earth mining rights)

Oh God, here we go again. Bush was a complete idiot, but yet...he managed to fool everyone he was so smart. An idiot savant if you will.

Funny how Cheney ran the Presidency, but yet Biden is "second in line" to the Presidency. What does that tell us?

I didn't say any of that dude...
Read the decisions Cheney openly admits making before you just shoot off all crazy



Nobody considered Iraq a national security issue (did they?)
And Afgahnistan is 100% about corporate welfare (see: Mining and Oil rights)

Neither have National security implications

Chizzang wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote:
Oh God, here we go again. Bush was a complete idiot, but yet...he managed to fool everyone he was so smart. An idiot savant if you will.

Funny how Cheney ran the Presidency, but yet Biden is "second in line" to the Presidency. What does that tell us?

I didn't say any of that dude...
Read the decisions Cheney openly admits making before you just shoot off all crazy



Nobody considered Iraq a national security issue (did they?)
And Afgahnistan is 100% about corporate welfare (see: Mining and Oil rights)

Neither have National security implications

And those mean what? We aren't talking facts, we are talking public perception.

SeattleGriz wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

I didn't say any of that dude...
Read the decisions Cheney openly admits making before you just shoot off all crazy



Nobody considered Iraq a national security issue (did they?)
And Afgahnistan is 100% about corporate welfare (see: Mining and Oil rights)

Neither have National security implications

And those mean what? We aren't talking facts, we are talking public perception.

Okee Dokee...
Then please excuse my interruption and continue on
Something about Obama and Bush having the same national Security strategy (as you were)

mrklean wrote:

FCS PATRIOTS wrote:- Lied about shutting down GITMO
- drone attacks
- not repealing the Patriotic Act
- NSA ran amok
- NDAA (so unconstitutional it boggles the mind!)
- looking to sell the country out via TPP
- stagnant job growth
- skewed unemployment figures

Folks, ya know the country is in bad shape when slick Willie was the last GOOD POTUS we had! WOW!

NATIONAL SECURITY!

You don't believe teenage black boys have any reason to randomly attack people of other colors, but you believe that entire countries full of towel heads have a desire to spend their time focusing on destroying the United States (instead of feeding their families and raping their chattel...er...women).