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Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:58 am
by Baldy
Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
It was a catchy political pitch and a chance to calm nerves about his dramatic and complicated plan to bring historic change to America’s health insurance system.
"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," President Barack Obama said -- many times -- of his landmark new law.
But the promise was impossible to keep.
So this fall, as cancellation letters were going out to approximately 4 million Americans, the public realized Obama’s breezy assurances were wrong.
Boiling down the complicated health care law to a soundbite proved treacherous, even for its promoter-in-chief. Obama and his team made matters worse, suggesting they had been misunderstood all along. The stunning political uproar led to this: a rare presidential apology.
For all of these reasons, PolitiFact has named "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," the Lie of the Year for 2013. Readers in a separate online poll overwhelmingly agreed with the choice. (PolitiFact first announced its selection on CNN's The Lead with Jake Tapper.)
For four of the past five years, PolitiFact’s Lie of the Year has revolved around the health care law, which has been subject to more erroneous attacks than any other piece of legislation PolitiFact has fact-checked.
Obama’s ideas on health care were first offered as general outlines then grew into specific legislation over the course of his presidency. Yet Obama never adjusted his rhetoric to give people a more accurate sense of the law’s real-world repercussions, even as fact-checkers flagged his statements as exaggerated at best.
What an embarrassing, lying piece of shit. bareback, D1bonehead, Cap'n Pussinboots, lubejob, you own this one, I hope you all are proud.
kalm with his inevitable, "I'm not a fan of Obama, but......" statement in 3...2...1...

Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:56 am
by Pwns
Donks now claim the PF "Lie of the Year" title for the second straight year.
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:14 am
by Grizalltheway
At least he manned up and admitted to it. Still waiting on your heros W and Cheney to do the same.

Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:15 am
by Cap'n Cat
Fuckin' Conks...........

Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:21 am
by Ibanez
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:50 pm
by 89Hen
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... nvoy?lite=
Officials: US drone strike kills 13 in Yemen wedding convoy
While the U.S. acknowledges its drone program in Yemen, it does not usually talk about individual strikes.
If further investigations determine that the victims were all civilians, the attack could fuel an outburst of anger against the United States and the government in Sanaa among a Yemeni public already opposed to the U.S. drone strikes.
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:41 pm
by mrklean
It still can't top. Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction. Are we still looking for them

Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:44 pm
by 89Hen
mrklean wrote:It still can't top. Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction. Are we still looking for them

Operation Enduring Freedom US casualties by year:
2001 - 12
2002 - 49
2003 - 48
2004 - 52
2005 - 99
2006 - 98
2007 - 117
2008 - 155
2009 - 317
2010 - 499
2011 - 418
2012 - 310
2013 - 119
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:50 pm
by Grizalltheway
89Hen wrote:mrklean wrote:It still can't top. Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction. Are we still looking for them

Operation Enduring Freedom US casualties by year:
2001 - 12
2002 - 49
2003 - 48
2004 - 52
2005 - 99
2006 - 98
2007 - 117
2008 - 155
2009 - 317
2010 - 499
2011 - 418
2012 - 310
2013 - 119
Still a fraction of the casualties in Iraq.
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:53 pm
by 89Hen
Grizalltheway wrote:89Hen wrote:
Operation Enduring Freedom US casualties by year:
2001 - 12
2002 - 49
2003 - 48
2004 - 52
2005 - 99
2006 - 98
2007 - 117
2008 - 155
2009 - 317
2010 - 499
2011 - 418
2012 - 310
2013 - 119
Still a fraction of the casualties in Iraq.
4489 in Iraq
2293 in Afghanistan
Make sure to tell the parents of the ones killed in Afg that they are probably only fractionally as upset.
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:00 pm
by Grizalltheway
89Hen wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:
Still a fraction of the casualties in Iraq.
4489 in Iraq
2293 in Afghanistan
Make sure to tell the parents of the ones killed in Afg that they are probably only fractionally as upset.
As long as you tell them their sons' deaths were great for your stock portfolio.

Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:55 pm
by CID1990
mrklean wrote:It still can't top. Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction. Are we still looking for them

No.
They are being well cared for by Bashar al Assad
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:54 pm
by mrklean
89Hen wrote:mrklean wrote:It still can't top. Iraq has Weapons of Mass destruction. Are we still looking for them

Operation Enduring Freedom US casualties by year:
2001 - 12
2002 - 49
2003 - 48
2004 - 52
2005 - 99
2006 - 98
2007 - 117
2008 - 155
2009 - 317
2010 - 499
2011 - 418
2012 - 310
2013 - 119
You Repukes said Obama was gonna Cut and Run in 08. It looks like he's kicking more azz than W ever did. Plus he killed the Big Fish.

Its called War, People die. That's why you don't lie about starting one.
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:45 pm
by AZGrizFan
mrklean wrote:89Hen wrote:
Operation Enduring Freedom US casualties by year:
2001 - 12
2002 - 49
2003 - 48
2004 - 52
2005 - 99
2006 - 98
2007 - 117
2008 - 155
2009 - 317
2010 - 499
2011 - 418
2012 - 310
2013 - 119
You Repukes said Obama was gonna Cut and Run in 08. It looks like he's kicking more azz than W ever did. Plus he killed the Big Fish.

Its called War, People die. That's why you don't lie about starting one.
Or lie about leaving. Or lie about why we're still there.
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:48 pm
by mrklean
AZGrizFan wrote:mrklean wrote:
You Repukes said Obama was gonna Cut and Run in 08. It looks like he's kicking more azz than W ever did. Plus he killed the Big Fish.

Its called War, People die. That's why you don't lie about starting one.
Or lie about leaving. Or lie about why we're still there.
But you said he was going to kut and Run

Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:48 pm
by grizzaholic
AZGrizFan wrote:mrklean wrote:
You Repukes said Obama was gonna Cut and Run in 08. It looks like he's kicking more azz than W ever did. Plus he killed the Big Fish.

Its called War, People die. That's why you don't lie about starting one.
Or lie about leaving. Or lie about why we're still there.
Wait...the USA is still in Iraq and Afghanistan??? I thought 0bama promised to get all troops out by a couple years ago?
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:54 pm
by kalm
I'm not a fan of Obama or Obamacare....

Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:03 pm
by mrklean
kalm wrote:I'm not a fan of Obama or Obamacare....

WE KNOW

Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:54 pm
by AZGrizFan
mrklean wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Or lie about leaving. Or lie about why we're still there.
But you said he was going to kut and Run

Really? Where did I say that? HE said he was going to cut and run. And 5 years later our boys are STILL there...fighting and dying for nothing. Except the heroin trade.
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:00 pm
by mrklean
AZGrizFan wrote:mrklean wrote:
But you said he was going to kut and Run

Really? Where did I say that? HE said he was going to cut and run. And 5 years later our boys are STILL there...fighting and dying for nothing. Except the heroin trade.
Hey we did not have a problem doing this in Nam. We lied from the start to get us in that War. SO Whats so fucking new about this. War is Money BIG MONEY. I think that being an Naval Officer, you know the real reason why we fight wars.
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:24 pm
by AZGrizFan
mrklean wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Really? Where did I say that? HE said he was going to cut and run. And 5 years later our boys are STILL there...fighting and dying for nothing. Except the heroin trade.
Hey we did not have a problem doing this in Nam. We lied from the start to get us in that War. SO Whats so fucking new about this. War is Money BIG MONEY. I think that being an Naval Officer, you know the real reason why we fight wars.
Oh, I see...so, since we did it in 'Nam, it's ok to just do it like that forever now?
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:33 pm
by mrklean
AZGrizFan wrote:mrklean wrote:
Hey we did not have a problem doing this in Nam. We lied from the start to get us in that War. SO Whats so **** new about this. War is Money BIG MONEY. I think that being an Naval Officer, you know the real reason why we fight wars.
Oh, I see...so, since we did it in 'Nam, it's ok to just do it like that forever now?
That's what happens when you have Big Corp. running the Country. Remember, Ike warned us about this. We were warned over 50 years ago, now look what happens. We bitch and cry like a bunch of old azz women.
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:36 pm
by CID1990
mrklean wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Oh, I see...so, since we did it in 'Nam, it's ok to just do it like that forever now?
That's what happens when you have Big Corp. running the Country. Remember, Ike warned us about this. We were warned over 50 years ago, now look what happens. We bitch and cry like a bunch of old azz women.
You and Cleetstaint are like intellectual blood brothers. You two need to get together and solve the unified theory over coffee
Re: Congratulations, Mr. President
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:41 pm
by AZGrizFan
mrklean wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Oh, I see...so, since we did it in 'Nam, it's ok to just do it like that forever now?
That's what happens when you have Big Corp. running the Country. Remember, Ike warned us about this. We were warned over 50 years ago, now look what happens. We bitch and cry like a bunch of old azz women.
That's what happens huh? Is there ANYTHING in this country that's not the fault of corporate America?