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The Army , Air Force and Navy Fly the UH-60 Black Hawk. Whats up with the Corps? IJS Don't get me started on the old ass Cobra!! This is why I will continue to say, the DOD Dycks away OUR money.

What does "IJS" mean?

Ibanez wrote:What does "IJS" mean?

I just sharted.

CAA Flagship wrote:

Ibanez wrote:What does "IJS" mean?

I just sharted.

lol

The Cobra looks cooler.

mrklean wrote:The Army , Air Force and Navy Fly the UH-60 Black Hawk. Whats up with the Corps? IJS Don't get me started on the old ass Cobra!! This is why I will continue to say, the DOD Dycks away OUR money.

Generally, the USMC gets the scraps. 93hen is a Marine, i'm sure he can tell you more.

I know a few Marines who were in a Chinook that crashed in Yuma in the mid-90s.

The Sea Knight is still used but is being replaced by the Osprey. The Super Stallion is still in use. The Cobra and Super Cobra and nice, new additions to the USMC. Twin Hueys are still used. Btw, you should check out the Viper and Venom.

andy7171 wrote:The Cobra looks cooler.

That's because it is.

mrklean wrote:The Army , Air Force and Navy Fly the UH-60 Black Hawk. Whats up with the Corps? IJS Don't get me started on the old ass Cobra!! This is why I will continue to say, the DOD Dycks away OUR money.

Attention soldier...it is not YOUR money. It is the taxpayer's money.

Cluck U wrote:

mrklean wrote:The Army , Air Force and Navy Fly the UH-60 Black Hawk. Whats up with the Corps? IJS Don't get me started on the old ass Cobra!! This is why I will continue to say, the DOD Dycks away OUR money.

Attention soldier...it is not YOUR money. It is the taxpayer's money.

I am a tax payer. So it is MY money!

The Corps saw the maintenance problems of the Apache in Desert Storm/Shield and passed. The AH-1W Supersnake has served the Corps well at a huge savings and higher readiness level.

The big money system for the Corps was the Osprey and it has proven its worth. Look how far the Corps had to push inland during the initial stages of Afghanistan. It would have been hard to do that in Sea Knights (aka USMC version of the Chinook). The Osprey is essentially a Sea Knight that can turn into a plane, which gives it far better range, speed, and safety for the troops. The Sea/Super Stallion (CH53) gives the Corps heavy lifting capability to lift HMMWVs and artillery pieces.

Ibanez, you mentioned the Sea Knight mishap. I was riding my bike on MCAS Yuma one day and noticed a Sea Knight rolling down the strip and then lifting, but it had heavy smoke coming out of the back. It landed, everyone bailed out, and the thing just sat and burned on the runway. I rode them a bunch, mostly in Quantico, and it was never a comfortable experience. I remember them shaking violently, having hydraulic fluid dripping on you as you sat inside, etc. Just way too old and way too cannibalized. They sometimes tear down the oldest CH-46 in a squadron to use for parts. Whenever we had sticks designated for an air assault and the rotary assets were assigned, we Lt's would fight to get on the CH-53 over the CH-46.

mrklean wrote:The Army , Air Force and Navy Fly the UH-60 Black Hawk. Whats up with the Corps? IJS Don't get me started on the old ass Cobra!! This is why I will continue to say, the DOD Dycks away OUR money.

Take your REMF pogue thumb out of your mouth and read the above reply.

93henfan wrote:The Corps saw the maintenance problems of the Apache in Desert Storm/Shield and passed. The AH-1W Supersnake has served the Corps well at a huge savings and higher readiness level.

The big money system for the Corps was the Osprey and it has proven its worth. Look how far the Corps had to push inland during the initial stages of Afghanistan. It would have been hard to do that in Sea Knights (aka USMC version of the Chinook). The Osprey is essentially a Sea Knight that can turn into a plane, which gives it far better range, speed, and safety for the troops. The Sea/Super Stallion (CH53) gives the Corps heavy lifting capability to lift HMMWVs and artillery pieces.

Ibanez, you mentioned the Sea Knight mishap. I was riding my bike on MCAS Yuma one day and noticed a Sea Knight rolling down the strip and then lifting, but it had heavy smoke coming out of the back. It landed, everyone bailed out, and the thing just sat and burned on the runway. I rode them a bunch, mostly in Quantico, and it was never a comfortable experience. I remember them shaking violently, having hydraulic fluid dripping on you as you sat inside, etc. Just way too old and way too cannibalized. They sometimes tear down the oldest CH-46 in a squadron to use for parts. Whenever we had sticks designated for an air assault and the rotary assets were assigned, we Lt's would fight to get on the CH-53 over the CH-46.

One of my best friends, close to your age, was on board. They landed on an interstate or some highway road, right?


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Ibanez wrote:

93henfan wrote:The Corps saw the maintenance problems of the Apache in Desert Storm/Shield and passed. The AH-1W Supersnake has served the Corps well at a huge savings and higher readiness level.

The big money system for the Corps was the Osprey and it has proven its worth. Look how far the Corps had to push inland during the initial stages of Afghanistan. It would have been hard to do that in Sea Knights (aka USMC version of the Chinook). The Osprey is essentially a Sea Knight that can turn into a plane, which gives it far better range, speed, and safety for the troops. The Sea/Super Stallion (CH53) gives the Corps heavy lifting capability to lift HMMWVs and artillery pieces.

Ibanez, you mentioned the Sea Knight mishap. I was riding my bike on MCAS Yuma one day and noticed a Sea Knight rolling down the strip and then lifting, but it had heavy smoke coming out of the back. It landed, everyone bailed out, and the thing just sat and burned on the runway. I rode them a bunch, mostly in Quantico, and it was never a comfortable experience. I remember them shaking violently, having hydraulic fluid dripping on you as you sat inside, etc. Just way too old and way too cannibalized. They sometimes tear down the oldest CH-46 in a squadron to use for parts. Whenever we had sticks designated for an air assault and the rotary assets were assigned, we Lt's would fight to get on the CH-53 over the CH-46.

One of my best friends, close to our age, was on board. They landed on an interstate or some highway road, right?


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Just talked to Chris, my friend who was there. He was on both birds. The one you are referring to happened a week or so before the one that crashed on a highway.


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Ibanez wrote:

Ibanez wrote:
One of my best friends, close to our age, was on board. They landed on an interstate or some highway road, right?


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Just talked to Chris, my friend who was there. He was on both birds. The one you are referring to happened a week or so before the one that crashed on a highway.


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I seem to remember the burning CH-46 being on the eastern end of the runway that goes east-west at Yuma. It may have landed on a perimeter road. Had to be 95ish. I was only in Yuma from late 94-mid 96.

93henfan wrote:

Ibanez wrote:
Just talked to Chris, my friend who was there. He was on both birds. The one you are referring to happened a week or so before the one that crashed on a highway.


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I seem to remember the burning CH-46 being on the eastern end of the runway that goes east-west at Yuma. It may have landed on a perimeter road. Had to be 95ish. I was only in Yuma from late 94-mid 96.

he said 1996


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93henfan wrote:The Corps saw the maintenance problems of the Apache in Desert Storm/Shield and passed. The AH-1W Supersnake has served the Corps well at a huge savings and higher readiness level.

The big money system for the Corps was the Osprey and it has proven its worth. Look how far the Corps had to push inland during the initial stages of Afghanistan. It would have been hard to do that in Sea Knights (aka USMC version of the Chinook). The Osprey is essentially a Sea Knight that can turn into a plane, which gives it far better range, speed, and safety for the troops. The Sea/Super Stallion (CH53) gives the Corps heavy lifting capability to lift HMMWVs and artillery pieces.

Ibanez, you mentioned the Sea Knight mishap. I was riding my bike on MCAS Yuma one day and noticed a Sea Knight rolling down the strip and then lifting, but it had heavy smoke coming out of the back. It landed, everyone bailed out, and the thing just sat and burned on the runway. I rode them a bunch, mostly in Quantico, and it was never a comfortable experience. I remember them shaking violently, having hydraulic fluid dripping on you as you sat inside, etc. Just way too old and way too cannibalized. They sometimes tear down the oldest CH-46 in a squadron to use for parts. Whenever we had sticks designated for an air assault and the rotary assets were assigned, we Lt's would fight to get on the CH-53 over the CH-46.

I'm pretty sure it was because they filled the requisition form out in crayon.

Spoiler: show

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was because they filled the requisition form out in crayon.

Spoiler: show

These guys did not like your joke:

93henfan wrote:

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was because they filled the requisition form out in crayon.

Spoiler: show

These guys did not like your joke:

My uncle was with the Marines that landed there. He was on Iwo Jima for that nasty fight. He talked a little about it and he said the Japs (His word, not mine) stunk so bad that that was what saved his life. He smelled them coming down the trench.

Spoiler: show

And I know you know it was just a joke too.

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:

93henfan wrote:
These guys did not like your joke:

My uncle was with the Marines that landed there. He was on Iwo Jima for that nasty fight. He talked a little about it and he said the Japs (His word, not mine) stunk so bad that that was what saved his life. He smelled them coming down the trench.

Spoiler: show

And I know you know it was just a joke too.

You can't say Jap!

93henfan wrote:The Corps saw the maintenance problems of the Apache in Desert Storm/Shield and passed. The AH-1W Supersnake has served the Corps well at a huge savings and higher readiness level.

The big money system for the Corps was the Osprey and it has proven its worth. Look how far the Corps had to push inland during the initial stages of Afghanistan. It would have been hard to do that in Sea Knights (aka USMC version of the Chinook). The Osprey is essentially a Sea Knight that can turn into a plane, which gives it far better range, speed, and safety for the troops. The Sea/Super Stallion (CH53) gives the Corps heavy lifting capability to lift HMMWVs and artillery pieces.

Ibanez, you mentioned the Sea Knight mishap. I was riding my bike on MCAS Yuma one day and noticed a Sea Knight rolling down the strip and then lifting, but it had heavy smoke coming out of the back. It landed, everyone bailed out, and the thing just sat and burned on the runway. I rode them a bunch, mostly in Quantico, and it was never a comfortable experience. I remember them shaking violently, having hydraulic fluid dripping on you as you sat inside, etc. Just way too old and way too cannibalized. They sometimes tear down the oldest CH-46 in a squadron to use for parts. Whenever we had sticks designated for an air assault and the rotary assets were assigned, we Lt's would fight to get on the CH-53 over the CH-46.

How did they come by this? The Apache has served in Middle East for over 15 years with no problems. I guess the Marines know something that the other three services don't know.

I think the Apache issues were worked out in the mid 90s, but in Desert Shield/Storm, they had significant problems with sand and fine particles fouling the engines. The Apache was envisioned for Cold War and jungle battles more than for wide open desert use. I am not an expert on this, so you may want to Google it. I'm just going off memory from almost 20 years ago.

93henfan wrote:I think the Apache issues were worked out in the mid 90s, but in Desert Shield/Storm, they had significant problems with sand and fine particles fouling the engines. The Apache was envisioned for Cold War and jungle battles more than for wide open desert use. I am not an expert on this, so you may want to Google it. I'm just going off memory from almost 20 years ago.

I wonder if it's worst than the sand and dirt in Afghanistan. That shit gets into every nook and cranny and is next to impossible to get out.

Ibanez wrote: I wonder if it's worst than the sand and dirt in Afghanistan. That shit gets into every nook and cranny and is next to impossible to get out.

The sand doesn't seem to be a problem here, but a place to hide is...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ztfPLaStg[/youtube]

I'm not sure what about this being an early problem that was fixed is so hard for people to understand. I'm not knocking the Apache.

The Apache works very well for the Army, as the far less expensive and less complicated SuperCobra does for the Marine Corps. Another thing about the Marine Corps is that all the assets have to fit on amphibious ships when a MEU ships out. The Marine Corps has a very detailed loading plan that it probably doesn't want to mess with.




And here's the Wasp, one of two ships (the Ponce being the other) that I spent time on.

mrklean wrote:The Army , Air Force and Navy Fly the UH-60 Black Hawk. Whats up with the Corps? IJS Don't get me started on the old ass Cobra!! This is why I will continue to say, the DOD Dycks away OUR money.

I think I understand your question, but you have your facts mixed up...

The "old ass Cobra" is a gunship, while the UH-60 is a Utility (cargo/people) aircraft..your question is the same as asking why drive an old hot rod when others are driving new Mack trucks...you should ask why the Corps is still flying "old ass Cobras" instead of newer Apaches...

The reason is twofold...one, the Corps is the best at updating proven equipment at much less$$$ than it takes to buy newer stuff...and two, the Corps is the bottom feeder in the Pentagon budget battles, making #1 a necessity...

By the way, that "old ass Cobra" still has a nasty bite...