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Why should the pill NOT be covered by insurance..?
And seriously, who cares if it is..?

Chizzang wrote:Why should the pill NOT be covered by insurance..?
And seriously, who cares if it is..?

Why should people who don't want or don't need birth control have to pay for it to be on their insurance policies? Why should those who want and need it be subsidized by others?

CitadelGrad wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Why should the pill NOT be covered by insurance..?
And seriously, who cares if it is..?

Why should people who don't want or don't need birth control have to pay for it to be on their insurance policies? Why should those who want and need it be subsidized by others?

Why should my health insurance rates cover mammograms? or any pregnancy related costs?

dbackjon wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:
Why should people who don't want or don't need birth control have to pay for it to be on their insurance policies? Why should those who want and need it be subsidized by others?

Why should my health insurance rates cover mammograms? or any pregnancy related costs?

They shouldn't.

CitadelGrad wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Why should the pill NOT be covered by insurance..?
And seriously, who cares if it is..?

Why should people who don't want or don't need birth control have to pay for it to be on their insurance policies? Why should those who want and need it be subsidized by others?

Because it will help keep people you don't want breeding from breeding. See, there's a silver lining to everything.

CitadelGrad wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Why should my health insurance rates cover mammograms? or any pregnancy related costs?

They shouldn't.

There's lots of things that should be and shouldn't be...
all of us paying for Christie's Lap Band surgery (for example)
or fat people getting any kind of healthcare at all when they are obviously not worthy of Health Care
as they are not taking the basic steps required to care for themselves

Let's debate that point (shall we)

Grizalltheway wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:
Why should people who don't want or don't need birth control have to pay for it to be on their insurance policies? Why should those who want and need it be subsidized by others?

Because it will help keep people you don't want breeding from breeding. See, there's a silver lining to everything.

Not necessarily. The government can force all insurance companies to include birth control coverage on all policies, but that does not mean the policy holder will actually use birth control.

Chizzang wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:
They shouldn't.

There's lots of things that should be and shouldn't be...
all of us paying for Christie's Lap Band surgery (for example)
or fat people getting any kind of healthcare at all when they are obviously not worthy of Health Care
as they are not taking the basic steps required to care for themselves

Let's debate that point (shall we)

Well, when he saves this country from the shithole Obama has dug us into you'll be glad you saved him from eating himself to death.

Birth control pills being used as such do not cure or prevent disease and dont increase anyone's quality of life. Make the pill OTC and available on every street corner for all I care, but it isn't medicine. Ditto with medicare covering Viagra.

Chizzang wrote:Why should the pill NOT be covered by insurance..?
And seriously, who cares if it is..?

Well, now you have your answer (in microcosm) as to why this government cannot operate effectively on those trillions of dollars in revenue.

If we are providing medical coverage to everybody, then yes it should be covered... for women who want it. But a couple with their tubes tied or balls snipped shouldn't be paying for it, and this is precisely the kind of assembly line one size fits all government two left footedness that puts us in the fiscal tank.

Chizzang wrote:

CitadelGrad wrote:
They shouldn't.

There's lots of things that should be and shouldn't be...
all of us paying for Christie's Lap Band surgery (for example)
or fat people getting any kind of healthcare at all when they are obviously not worthy of Health Care
as they are not taking the basic steps required to care for themselves

Let's debate that point (shall we)

You know what's wrong with you?

You're a goddamn pragmatic conservative and you won't admit it.

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
There's lots of things that should be and shouldn't be...
all of us paying for Christie's Lap Band surgery (for example)
or fat people getting any kind of healthcare at all when they are obviously not worthy of Health Care
as they are not taking the basic steps required to care for themselves

Let's debate that point (shall we)

You know what's wrong with you?

You're a goddamn pragmatic conservative and you won't admit it.

There's some truth to your statement...
Were it not for a few key elements associated with my disposition
Such as: the aforementioned women's right to chose
and my distaste for our military used as an economic tool and plastic bags (don't forget those)

Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
You know what's wrong with you?

You're a goddamn pragmatic conservative and you won't admit it.

There's some truth to your statement...
Were it not for a few key elements associated with my disposition
Such as: the aforementioned women's right to chose
and my distaste for our military used as an economic tool and plastic bags (don't forget those)

Plenty of conservatives are pro choice but also anti abortion (like me). Those two are perfectly reconcilable. BTW nobody is saying they don't want women to have access to birth control. Hell the pill is about as cheap as aspirin these days anyway. I don't want to pay for your jimmy hats either- although who would want to bang a guy who can't afford his own Trojans?

I'm also sure there is an anti plastic bag faction of the Tea Party since they attract all the other nuts too

Can't help you with the military though. That's the bailiwick of both sides.... certainly no reason to pick sides over it since there ARE no sides

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
There's some truth to your statement...
Were it not for a few key elements associated with my disposition
Such as: the aforementioned women's right to chose
and my distaste for our military used as an economic tool and plastic bags (don't forget those)

Plenty of conservatives are pro choice but also anti abortion (like me). Those two are perfectly reconcilable. BTW nobody is saying they don't want women to have access to birth control. Hell the pill is about as cheap as aspirin these days anyway. I don't want to pay for your jimmy hats either- although who would want to bang a guy who can't afford his own Trojans?

I'm also sure there is an anti plastic bag faction of the Tea Party since they attract all the other nuts too

Can't help you with the military though. That's the bailiwick of both sides.... certainly no reason to pick sides over it since there ARE no sides

Are you recruiting me..?

Okay lets go over a few points of agreement and contention
1) I am absolutely Pro-Choice and I'm not exactly anti-abortion (lets just say I don't care)
In this completely insane world we have created abortion is hardly a blip on the torture and mass-destruction radar and choosing to focus on it solely infringes on the rights of women when there are hundreds of other things that kill far more convincingly with far more quantity...

2) I am horrified and offended that you threw my plastic bag issue in with the Tea Party
(well played sir) As fringe as the Plastic Bag thing might seem it highlights a cornerstone issue
We are a Petrol First society (by design) economy with almost no thought of the consequences
Plastic bags are so unbelievably unnecessary and ridiculous / simultaneously being extremely destructive and virtually indestructibly permanent (it's an example of our Petrol first insanity)

3) The military thing / as much as I agree with you that it is both sides
I liked being lied to by the Democrats while we doubled down on Afghanistan
If I were to become a Republican I would no longer be allowed to complain about the military

AZGrizFan wrote:
Well, when he saves this country from the shithole Obama has dug us into you'll be glad you saved him from eating himself to death.

Okay,
Points for humor
But the general tone was a little snarky

Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Plenty of conservatives are pro choice but also anti abortion (like me). Those two are perfectly reconcilable. BTW nobody is saying they don't want women to have access to birth control. Hell the pill is about as cheap as aspirin these days anyway. I don't want to pay for your jimmy hats either- although who would want to bang a guy who can't afford his own Trojans?

I'm also sure there is an anti plastic bag faction of the Tea Party since they attract all the other nuts too

Can't help you with the military though. That's the bailiwick of both sides.... certainly no reason to pick sides over it since there ARE no sides

Are you recruiting me..?

Okay lets go over a few points of agreement and contention
1) I am absolutely Pro-Choice and I'm not exactly anti-abortion (lets just say I don't care)
In this completely insane world we have created abortion is hardly a blip on the torture and mass-destruction radar and choosing to focus on it solely infringes on the rights of women when there are hundreds of other things that kill far more convincingly with far more quantity...

2) I am horrified and offended that you threw my plastic bag issue in with the Tea Party
(well played sir) As fringe as the Plastic Bag thing might seem it highlights a cornerstone issue
We are a Petrol First society (by design) economy with almost no thought of the consequences
Plastic bags are so unbelievably unnecessary and ridiculous / simultaneously being extremely destructive and virtually indestructibly permanent (it's an example of our Petrol first insanity)

3) The military thing / as much as I agree with you that it is both sides
I liked being lied to by the Democrats while we doubled down on Afghanistan
If I were to become a Republican I would no longer be allowed to complain about the military

Actually I'm a pretty green dude myself and I agree with you on the plastic bag thing. I just couldn't resist the tea party play

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:

Are you recruiting me..?

Okay lets go over a few points of agreement and contention
1) I am absolutely Pro-Choice and I'm not exactly anti-abortion (lets just say I don't care)
In this completely insane world we have created abortion is hardly a blip on the torture and mass-destruction radar and choosing to focus on it solely infringes on the rights of women when there are hundreds of other things that kill far more convincingly with far more quantity...

2) I am horrified and offended that you threw my plastic bag issue in with the Tea Party
(well played sir) As fringe as the Plastic Bag thing might seem it highlights a cornerstone issue
We are a Petrol First society (by design) economy with almost no thought of the consequences
Plastic bags are so unbelievably unnecessary and ridiculous / simultaneously being extremely destructive and virtually indestructibly permanent (it's an example of our Petrol first insanity)

3) The military thing / as much as I agree with you that it is both sides
I liked being lied to by the Democrats while we doubled down on Afghanistan
If I were to become a Republican I would no longer be allowed to complain about the military

Actually I'm a pretty green dude myself and I agree with you on the plastic bag thing. I just couldn't resist the tea party play

I'm still smarting from that one... jeeze (that hurt my feelings)

Oh and I see a thread where America is soon to be the world leader in Oil Production
MORE PLASTIC!!!! Fuck Yeah
Welcome to America / Oil First / We're built that way