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From the folks at MSNBC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAf0JQWM1xY#t=10

CNN spent about 3 minutes running clips of Obama saying you can keep your doctor and your insurance plan. Classic!!!!!


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More people that normally cover for BHO seeing the light

Tingles Questions BHO's Credibility After NBC News Reports He Knew Millions Would Lose Their Current Coverage…


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y3ugR-ZnEU[/youtube]

Fuck MSNBC. Fuck CNN. Fuck NBC, ABC, CBS. These fuckers are like the retarded kids in the back of the short bus...they're just NOW figuring out this guy's a clown, a liar and a fraud, 7 years after Fox News and 49% of Americans knew it.

I agree. The major outlets abrogated their journalistic duties in 2007 and never looked back. If anything, they've forfeited any claims to legitimacy at this point.

AZGrizFan wrote:Fuck MSNBC. Fuck CNN. Fuck NBC, ABC, CBS. These fuckers are like the retarded kids in the back of the short bus...they're just NOW figuring out this guy's a clown, a liar and a fraud, 7 years after Fox News and 49% of Americans knew it.

Fuck the rag heads, too, right Z??!!!

Bronco wrote:-
More people that normally cover for BHO seeing the light

Tingles Questions BHO's Credibility After NBC News Reports He Knew Millions Would Lose Their Current Coverage…


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y3ugR-ZnEU[/youtube]

Except nobody is really losing their coverage. But I'm sure Fox isn't describing it this way.

CID1990 wrote:I agree. The major outlets abrogated their journalistic duties in 2007 and never looked back. If anything, they've forfeited any claims to legitimacy at this point.

It's just infortainment.

Cap'n Cat wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:Fuck MSNBC. Fuck CNN. Fuck NBC, ABC, CBS. These fuckers are like the retarded kids in the back of the short bus...they're just NOW figuring out this guy's a clown, a liar and a fraud, 7 years after Fox News and 49% of Americans knew it.

Fuck the rag heads, too, right Z??!!!

Sure. Throw them in too.

kalm wrote:

CID1990 wrote:I agree. The major outlets abrogated their journalistic duties in 2007 and never looked back. If anything, they've forfeited any claims to legitimacy at this point.

It's just infortainment.

There were a lot of people who considered them pretty legit from 2000-2008.

kalm wrote:
Except nobody is really losing their coverage. But I'm sure Fox isn't describing it this way.

No, there are probably zero companies cutting people's hours below 30/week to avoid coverage under ACA.

ASUG8 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Except nobody is really losing their coverage. But I'm sure Fox isn't describing it this way.

No, there are probably zero companies cutting people's hours below 30/week to avoid coverage under ACA.

Nope...none...


My former employee didn't cut thousands of part timers from 35 hours a week to 26....ever.....

I have no friends/former co-workers that happened too

ASUG8 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Except nobody is really losing their coverage. But I'm sure Fox isn't describing it this way.

No, there are probably zero companies cutting people's hours below 30/week to avoid coverage under ACA.

1) Health insurance should not be the responsibility of the employer

2) Those people will still be able to get healthcare and perhaps cheaper than under their employer plan.

3) It's the Walmartization of America. Pay your employees a pittance with few benefits, and let the government's rising tide lift their boats.

ASUG8 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Except nobody is really losing their coverage. But I'm sure Fox isn't describing it this way.

No, there are probably zero companies cutting people's hours below 30/week to avoid coverage under ACA.

Not my company. I have no friends or know of anyone losing their hours due to ACA.

D1B wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
No, there are probably zero companies cutting people's hours below 30/week to avoid coverage under ACA.

Not my company. I have no friends or know of anyone losing their hours due to ACA.

You just said you willingly quit your job the other day.

andy7171 wrote:

D1B wrote:
Not my company. I have no friends or know of anyone losing their hours due to ACA.

You just said you willingly quit your job the other day.

Quitting. First of the year or thereabouts. Moving into my mother's basement, for real.

kalm wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
No, there are probably zero companies cutting people's hours below 30/week to avoid coverage under ACA.

1) Health insurance should not be the responsibility of the employer

2) Those people will still be able to get healthcare and perhaps cheaper than under their employer plan.

3) It's the Walmartization of America. Pay your employees a pittance with few benefits, and let the government's rising tide lift their boats.

...but it's happening, whether health insurance should/shouldn't be the employer's responsibility. Solid benefit packages have been enticements to attract good talent to an organization and keep them competitive. I'm dubious about folks doing better on their own vs. the employer subsidized benefit packages, but I guess it could happen.

ASUG8 wrote:

kalm wrote:
1) Health insurance should not be the responsibility of the employer

2) Those people will still be able to get healthcare and perhaps cheaper than under their employer plan.

3) It's the Walmartization of America. Pay your employees a pittance with few benefits, and let the government's rising tide lift their boats.

...but it's happening, whether health insurance should/shouldn't be the employer's responsibility. Solid benefit packages have been enticements to attract good talent to an organization and keep them competitive. I'm dubious about folks doing better on their own vs. the employer subsidized benefit packages, but I guess it could happen.

Ok...then I guess Walmart is gonna lose some of its quality employees to companies that will provide the benefit.

kalm wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
...but it's happening, whether health insurance should/shouldn't be the employer's responsibility. Solid benefit packages have been enticements to attract good talent to an organization and keep them competitive. I'm dubious about folks doing better on their own vs. the employer subsidized benefit packages, but I guess it could happen.

Ok...then I guess Walmart is gonna lose some of its quality employees to companies that will provide the benefit.

Yeah, Walmart and others that are doing this are going to lose employees that have bills to pay that require more than 30 hrs/week and require affordable health care. They at least have the option of getting health insurance now, but again I'd be surprised if they have the individual buying power to get a better rate than an employer sponsored plan.

kalm wrote:

CID1990 wrote:I agree. The major outlets abrogated their journalistic duties in 2007 and never looked back. If anything, they've forfeited any claims to legitimacy at this point.

It's just infortainment.

That's what our resident conk half-wit team says until they hear something they agree with. Then it's the gospel.

clenz wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
No, there are probably zero companies cutting people's hours below 30/week to avoid coverage under ACA.

Nope...none...


My former employee didn't cut thousands of part timers from 35 hours a week to 26....ever.....

I have no friends/former co-workers that happened too

You better check in over at AGS, they're worried about your disappearance after the NDSU game and subsequent debacle. They fear the worst.

ASUG8 wrote:

kalm wrote:
Ok...then I guess Walmart is gonna lose some of its quality employees to companies that will provide the benefit.

Yeah, Walmart and others that are doing this are going to lose employees that have bills to pay that require more than 30 hrs/week and require affordable health care. They at least have the option of getting health insurance now, but again I'd be surprised if they have the individual buying power to get a better rate than an employer sponsored plan.

I was being somewhat sarcastic, but according to the insurance broker I just met with regarding starting a company plan and my own private plan, group discounts have really been gone for quite some time now. I remember back in the 90's, my private plan premiums were less than my company plan and less than my bil's school district group plan.

As I've said before, Obamacare was written by insurance companies...FOR insurance companies. A shit ton of the high expenses involved in healthcare costs are wrapped up in unneccessary profit margins for insurance companies and inefficiencies of an overly complicated multi-payer system.

Insurance benefits should be a choice for employers, not a mandate.

kalm wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
Yeah, Walmart and others that are doing this are going to lose employees that have bills to pay that require more than 30 hrs/week and require affordable health care. They at least have the option of getting health insurance now, but again I'd be surprised if they have the individual buying power to get a better rate than an employer sponsored plan.

I was being somewhat sarcastic, but according to the insurance broker I just met with regarding starting a company plan and my own private plan, group discounts have really been gone for quite some time now. I remember back in the 90's, my private plan premiums were less than my company plan and less than my bil's school district group plan.

As I've said before, Obamacare was written by insurance companies...FOR insurance companies. A **** ton of the high expenses involved in healthcare costs are wrapped up in unneccessary profit margins for insurance companies and inefficiencies of an overly complicated multi-payer system.

Insurance benefits should be a choice for employers, not a mandate.

The insurance companies will still find a way to take their 20% off the top and keep the seven-figure bonuses and Roman lifestyles for their parasitic executives.

houndawg wrote:

kalm wrote:
I was being somewhat sarcastic, but according to the insurance broker I just met with regarding starting a company plan and my own private plan, group discounts have really been gone for quite some time now. I remember back in the 90's, my private plan premiums were less than my company plan and less than my bil's school district group plan.

As I've said before, Obamacare was written by insurance companies...FOR insurance companies. A **** ton of the high expenses involved in healthcare costs are wrapped up in unneccessary profit margins for insurance companies and inefficiencies of an overly complicated multi-payer system.

Insurance benefits should be a choice for employers, not a mandate.

The insurance companies will still find a way to take their 20% off the top and keep the seven-figure bonuses and Roman lifestyles for their parasitic executives.

But, but, but they are free market capitalists! Who are you to place a cap on their productivity and talent driven compensation!

houndawg wrote:

kalm wrote:
It's just infortainment.

That's what our resident conk half-wit team says until they hear something they agree with. Then it's the gospel.

That's probably akin to the Democratic Pavlovian response to words like "Hope", "Change", "Transparency", "Progress".