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When your farmland and water are polluted.........what will you have left?

Do you ride a bike or walk to work? Do you heat your house with wood? Do you cook on a wood stove?

Don't be a hypocrite.

Largest was about 10 acres from statement in the article below ( football field approx 1.3 acres). It's not great that it's happening, just wanted to put the spill into perspective.

estimated at 20,600 barrels. Oil oozed over an area the size of seven football fields.

mainejeff wrote:http://www.pressherald.com/news/Hundred ... cized.html

When your farmland and water are polluted.........what will you have left?

Still have the Red River Valley, the garden of eden of the frosty north. Some of the best farmland in the world. The oil fields are in the western part of the state, still tillable acreage, a lot more ranches though than in the east.

I spilled some oil in my yard once. It never got publicized either.

Another example of the hype being worse than the reality. When people hear "oil spill" it's like when they hear "chemical spill" and they just assume the environment has been wrecked.

From the article:

North Dakota also had 291 “incidents” this year that leaked a total of about 2,209 barrels of oil. Data show that all but 490 barrels were contained and cleaned up at the well site. In 2012, there were 168 spills reported that leaked 1,089 barrels of oil; all but 376 barrels were contained on site, data show. Only one incident — a crash involving an oil truck last year — was reported publicly.

That means 866 barrels of oil spilled off-site in two years. But no mention of any groundwater contamination or other issue, and just because the spills happen offsite doesn't mean they aren't contained and cleaned up like on-site spills are.

Also from the article:

A little more than half of the spills companies reported to North Dakota occurred “on-site,” where a well is connected to a pipeline, and most were fewer than 10 barrels. The remainder of the spills occurred along the state’s labyrinth of pipelines.

Now, I know most of you haven't seen a chemical spill, but less than 10 barrels isn't really a huge amount of material, and it can be contained and cleaned up. Is it ideal? Of course, not, that's why OSHA and most states (North Dakota included) require companies to report spills over 50 gallons (and over 10 gallons if deemed hazardous). In this case, the article seems to imply that the public wasn't informed - however, all the spill information in the article came directly from the state records, so it was clearly public information. Just because the public choose to ignore it doesn't mean it's not reported.

Hey, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, amirite?

Two words: impervious strata

AZGrizFan wrote:Do you ride a bike or walk to work? Do you heat your house with wood? Do you cook on a wood stove?

Don't be a hypocrite.

You're a dumbfuck. How would you like to live there?

mainejeff wrote:http://www.pressherald.com/news/Hundred ... cized.html

When your farmland and water are polluted.........what will you have left?

Texas




Looks like Z's been here....

Read about the high rate in Kidney Failure in ND. You have young men ad young as 25 years old having Kidney problems. Something aint right.

mrklean wrote:Read about the high rate in Kidney Failure in ND. You have young men ad young as 25 years old having Kidney problems. Something aint right.

Funds are arriving to investiga.........


Doh! Cut by Congressional Conk Oil Cartel before it reached committee.

mrklean wrote:Read about the high rate in Kidney Failure in ND. You have young men ad young as 25 years old having Kidney problems. Something aint right.

Spouting off those political lies thinking people will believe them just because you say them. Where to you get this crap, never provide links. North Dakota is near the bottom of patients on Dialysis. The Southern State are bad on Kidney's.

http://www.kidney.org/news/newsroom/nr/ ... ardHit.cfm

Southern states make up the top 10 list of those hardest hit by kidney failure. According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), more than 8% of the population in each of these states also has diagnosed diabetes, the leading cause of kidney disease.

1. Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee 1537
2. Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina 1497
3. Southern California 1408
4. Texas 1405
5. Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma 1371
6. Maryland, Virginia, Washington D.C., West Virginia 1336
7. American Samoa, Northern California, Guam, Hawaii 1299
8. New York 1267
9. New Jersey, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands 1258
10. Illinois 1251
11. Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio 1209
12. Delaware, Pennsylvania 1206
13. Florida 1174
14. Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin 1022
15. Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska 983
16. Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming 918
17. Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont 809
18. Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington 775

Cap'n Cat wrote:

mrklean wrote:Read about the high rate in Kidney Failure in ND. You have young men ad young as 25 years old having Kidney problems. Something aint right.

Funds are arriving to investiga.........


Doh! Cut by Congressional Conk Oil Cartel before it reached committee.

I love you unconditional faith in what Kleany says.

Think about WWII. Think about the massive amounts of petroleum that was released into the environment every time a ship sank, a vehicle was blown up, a fuel depot was bombed, etc. The environment isn't suffering all that much in those thousands of places now.

They'll be fine. Most people have an extremely exaggerated impression as to the impacts of such things. What they're getting out of the oil boom there far exceeds what they're losing.

Believe me, I say that as someone who has lived most of my life (all but about 4 years) in an ail producing State. The "sky is falling" stuff about oil spills is crap. It doesn't do that much damage. Even something like the BP thing really didn't do a heck of a lot of damage. But it's one of those things that's very easy to sensationalize.

Gil Dobie wrote:

mrklean wrote:Read about the high rate in Kidney Failure in ND. You have young men ad young as 25 years old having Kidney problems. Something aint right.

Spouting off those political lies thinking people will believe them just because you say them. Where to you get this crap, never provide links. North Dakota is near the bottom of patients on Dialysis. The Southern State are bad on Kidney's.

http://www.kidney.org/news/newsroom/nr/ ... ardHit.cfm

Southern states make up the top 10 list of those hardest hit by kidney failure. According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), more than 8% of the population in each of these states also has diagnosed diabetes, the leading cause of kidney disease.

1. Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee 1537
2. Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina 1497
3. Southern California 1408
4. Texas 1405
5. Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma 1371
6. Maryland, Virginia, Washington D.C., West Virginia 1336
7. American Samoa, Northern California, Guam, Hawaii 1299
8. New York 1267
9. New Jersey, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands 1258
10. Illinois 1251
11. Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio 1209
12. Delaware, Pennsylvania 1206
13. Florida 1174
14. Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin 1022
15. Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska 983
16. Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming 918
17. Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont 809
18. Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington 775

OK, belive everything they tell you......................
Its your state thats going to be screwed

mrklean wrote: OK, belive everything they tell you......................
Its your state thats going to be screwed

Post a link to prove your point then.

Gil Dobie wrote:

mrklean wrote: OK, belive everything they tell you......................
Its your state thats going to be screwed

Post a link to prove your point then.

Don't have to. A friend of mine works in ND. He has first hand exp. on this matter. But I guess he spent 10 months in ND, and came hoome just to tell a BIG AZZ lie

mrklean wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
Post a link to prove your point then.

Don't have to. A friend of mine works in ND. He has first hand exp. on this matter. But I guess he spent 10 months in ND, and came hoome just to tell a BIG AZZ lie

So you're going to trust a single anecdote over data published by the Centers for Disease Control? You truly are a moron of biblical proportions.

mrklean wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
Post a link to prove your point then.

Don't have to. A friend of mine works in ND. He has first hand exp. on this matter. But I guess he spent 10 months in ND, and came hoome just to tell a BIG AZZ lie

They have been pumping oil in North Dakota for 50 years. Get a bunch of drunks coming into North Dakota with their bad kidney's and livers during the boom, doesn't make it a fact for the population.

Does North Dakota still have it's socialist state bank?

Gil Dobie wrote:

mrklean wrote:
Don't have to. A friend of mine works in ND. He has first hand exp. on this matter. But I guess he spent 10 months in ND, and came hoome just to tell a BIG AZZ lie

They have been pumping oil in North Dakota for 50 years. Get a bunch of drunks coming into North Dakota with their bad kidney's and livers during the boom, doesn't make it a fact for the population.

From what my friend tells me, Its not the Oil, its the Chemicals they are using to process the oil. He told me that seeing healthy young men as young as 25 with kidney damage made him wonder.

kalm wrote:Does North Dakota still have it's socialist state bank?

Yes, the Bank of North Dakota and also the State Mill and Elevator.

mrklean wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
They have been pumping oil in North Dakota for 50 years. Get a bunch of drunks coming into North Dakota with their bad kidney's and livers during the boom, doesn't make it a fact for the population.

From what my friend tells me, Its not the Oil, its the Chemicals they are using to process the oil. He told me that seeing healthy young men as young as 25 with kidney damage made him wonder.

So it's the oil workers, not the general population.