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Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:51 am
by Skjellyfetti
Few Oregonians have cheered the congressional budget impasse and federal government shutdown more loudly than John Kuzmanich, founder and chairman of the Oregon Tea Party.
Since the Tea Party started in 2009, its members have clamored for smaller government, lower taxes and stronger border security. Party leaders—including U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas)—have helped push Republicans further to the right, making it more difficult for House GOP leaders to reach a compromise on funding the government.
While less influential in Oregon, Kuzmanich and the state’s Tea Party have nonetheless cheered the confrontation with President Obama over the budget.
Kuzmanich, for example, appeared on KATU Channel 2’s Your Voice, Your Vote on Oct. 6, where he told host Steve Dunn the forced budget austerity would help Americans return to “fiscal and personal responsibility.”
“We are just good and decent principled Americans who believe in the Constitution and a fiscally responsible government,” said Kuzmanich.
Even as he spoke those words, Kuzmanich was on the run from his own financial responsibilities.
Washington County court records show Kuzmanich is more than three years behind in mortgage payments on a Beaverton duplex. The lender, the Federal National Mortgage Association, better known as Fannie Mae, has gone to extraordinary lengths—unsuccessfully, so far—to find Kuzmanich and serve him with court papers.
Kuzmanich, 45, is a University of Iowa grad who built a family trucking business and worked as a mortgage broker. He burst onto the political scene in 2009, founding the Oregon Tea Party and launching a bid for the 1st Congressional District seat then held by U.S. Rep. David Wu (D-Ore.).
He also claimed a prominent political pedigree: He is related to the late U.S. Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.). (The maiden name of Antoinette Hatfield, the senator’s widow, is Kuzmanich.)
“In late 2009,” according to a Kuzmanich bio on the University of Iowa website, “John made the decision to run for United States Congress in Oregon’s 1st Congressional District, his home, and following in the political tradition of Senator Mark Hatfield, a member of his family, he decided to put all his relevant experience to work to serve and represent his principles, his family, his community and country.”
He added this in his 2010 Voters’ Pamphlet statement: “We need to decrease the size of government and make it live within its means just like we do.”
Kuzmanich finished third out of four candidates in the 2010 Republican primary, with 28 percent of the vote.
Records show Kuzmanich four years earlier had paid $361,000 for a duplex on Southwest 150th Avenue in Beaverton.
Less than two weeks after the election, on June 1, 2010, Kuzmanich failed to make the mortgage payment on his duplex, court records say. He has not made a payment since.
He now owes principal of $289,000 and unpaid interest of more than $42,000.
In March, Fannie Mae filed suit against Kuzmanich and since April has tried to serve him with papers 19 times, visiting his duplex, a Cannon Beach apartment, his former business address and the residence he listed in Portland when he ran for Congress in 2010.
“No answer at the door, no noise inside and no movement inside. No vehicles,” the process server wrote in an affidavit after visiting that last address in June.
“After exercising due diligence, Plaintiff has been unable to serve defendants John Kuzmanich and Occupants of the premises, but believes they reside in Washington County,” Fannie Mae’s lawyer, Michael Thornicroft, told the court Aug 12. The court has since approved publishing public notices of the foreclosure in lieu of serving Kuzmanich with papers.
Aaron Crowe, president of the Oregon Association of Process Servers, says defendants are under no obligation to accept service of documents in lawsuits, but most do.
Crowe says it’s common for a defendant to have to be served more than once, but Fannie Mae’s “Where’s Waldo?” experience with Kuzmanich is far from the norm.
“That is unusual,” says Crowe, who was not involved in the case. “Usually we get service within a couple of days.”
Process servers aren’t the only ones who have trouble finding the Oregon Tea Party founder.
WW tried to reach Kuzmanich by cellphone, text, email and at the headquarters of his political consulting firm, American Strategies, that he co-founded in 2011.
What we’re left with is this quote from his company’s website: “John believes that if you have the truth on your side, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.”
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Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:53 am
by dbackjon
Not a surprise
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:55 am
by ASUG8
He must be VERY fiscally conservative.

Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:59 am
by Grizalltheway
Iowans.

Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:12 pm
by 89Hen
Maybe the process server needs to hire KATU Channel 2 to find him.

Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:13 pm
by AZGrizFan
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:18 pm
by CAA Flagship
Wait. What is the problem here? Why doesn't the bank just seize the property? This is not criminal. He just forfeits his "investment" to the lender. Millions have done this in the last 5 years.
They can't find him? Who the hell is looking for him, Stevie Wonder?
Has he paid taxes in the last 4 years? Do we know he is still alive and in the country?
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:38 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:
But Analjelly had no problem with Obama's choice for Dept of Treasury not paying his taxes for 5 years.

First, when have I ever said I have no problem with Geitner's tax fiasco?
Second, it wasn't that he simply didn't pay taxes for 5 years... but, didn't report employees like a maid, etc. It's still a pretty big fuck up, and I do have a problem with it... but, you're wayyyyy overstating it.
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:39 pm
by Skjellyfetti
CAA Flagship wrote:Wait. What is the problem here?
CAA Flagship wrote:Why doesn't the bank just seize the property?
Because, I think you may have noticed... home values have decreased a bit in the last few years. The value of the house is probably a good bit less than the loan he made... so, a bank would have a good incentive to come after him on the loan... and not some property that is worth a lot less... and they may have difficulty even selling it... plus the cost of maintaining it, etc.
CAA Flagship wrote:This is not criminal.
No one said it was. Just entertaining for the hypocrisy value.
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:47 pm
by D1B
Typical conk bum.
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:04 pm
by Chizzang
This is typical of "The Loudest voices" usually signify nothing...
Of course the over the top bloviating Tea Party is stuffed with characters such as this
Q:
Is anybody really surprised?
A:
Of course not
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:23 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:Wait. What is the problem here?
CAA Flagship wrote:Why doesn't the bank just seize the property?
Because, I think you may have noticed... home values have decreased a bit in the last few years. The value of the house is probably a good bit less than the loan he made... so, a bank would have a good incentive to come after him on the loan... and not some property that is worth a lot less... and they may have difficulty even selling it... plus the cost of maintaining it, etc.
CAA Flagship wrote:This is not criminal.
No one said it was. Just entertaining for the hypocrisy value.
What's the banks incentive? Do tell...
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:38 pm
by Skjellyfetti
AZGrizFan wrote:
What's the banks incentive? Do tell...
Trying to get paid for a loan that is worth a lot more than the house?
Shaming the dude in the press may be a strategy to get him to pay... just sayin...
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:55 pm
by blueballs
Chizzang wrote:This is typical of "The Loudest voices" usually signify nothing...
Of course the over the top bloviating Tea Party is stuffed with characters such as this
Q:
Is anybody really surprised?
A:
Of course not
He'll fit right in on Capital Hill...
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:27 pm
by AZGrizFan
Skjellyfetti wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
What's the banks incentive? Do tell...
Trying to get paid for a loan that is worth a lot more than the house?
Shaming the dude in the press may be a strategy to get him to pay... just sayin...
Yeah. Somebody who hasn't paid their mortgage in 3 years could give a flying fuck what the bank thinks.
Oh, and the bank is violating a host of regulations by letting a house go 36 MONTHS without a payment and NOT foreclosing on it and disposing of the asset. Oregon must have some pretty piss-poor regulators.
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:36 pm
by blueballs
Not to change the subject because it is so entertaining but we saw quite a bit of that here in Florida during the meltdown and subsequent (lukewarm) recovery.
Smart lenders and servicers would file a lis pendens, get the foreclosure judgment but never enforce the certificate of title and then let the property sit because it was so upside down and the occupant was still maintaining it. As soon as the values started to rise "bang" they enforced the judgment and kicked the former mortgagor out and resold it.
In other situations they rushed to get the judgment (however shady it was, remember the "robosignings'") becasue they had hedge funds waiting to pay retail for the properties and they could get HAFA $$$ out of it.
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:54 pm
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
blueballs wrote:
Not to change the subject because it is so entertaining but we saw quite a bit of that here in Florida during the meltdown and subsequent (lukewarm) recovery.
Smart lenders and servicers would file a lis pendens, get the foreclosure judgment but never enforce the certificate of title and then let the property sit because it was so upside down and the occupant was still maintaining it. As soon as the values started to rise "bang" they enforced the judgment and kicked the former mortgagor out and resold it.
In other situations they rushed to get the judgment (however shady it was, remember the "robosignings'") becasue they had hedge funds waiting to pay retail for the properties and they could get HAFA $$$ out of it.
How dare you sir! None of us ever do that around here.

Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:11 pm
by CID1990
Chizzang wrote:This is typical of "The Loudest voices" usually signify nothing...
Of course the over the top bloviating Tea Party is stuffed with characters such as this
Q:
Is anybody really surprised?
A:
Of course not
Nor am I surprised that the chattering class like SK find it earth shattering.
Earth to moonbats: water is wet, bears sh1t in the woods, and nobody is lily white. (Except me of course)
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:49 pm
by Chizzang
CID1990 wrote:Chizzang wrote:This is typical of "The Loudest voices" usually signify nothing...
Of course the over the top bloviating Tea Party is stuffed with characters such as this
Q:
Is anybody really surprised?
A:
Of course not
Nor am I surprised that the chattering class like SK find it earth shattering.
Earth to moonbats: water is wet, bears sh1t in the woods, and nobody is lily white. (Except me of course)
Unfortunately
After close examination the majority of Moonbats reside inside the Tea Party compound
One good idea (actually it's a great idea) doesn't persuade me to write a blanket exemption for them
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:53 pm
by Skjellyfetti
CID1990 wrote:
Nor am I surprised that the chattering class like SK find it earth shattering.
Earth to moonbats: water is wet, bears sh1t in the woods, and nobody is lily white. (Except me of course)
Why do you think I find it earth shattering?
As I said earlier, it's just entertaining in its hypocrisy.
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:44 pm
by AZGrizFan
blueballs wrote:
Not to change the subject because it is so entertaining but we saw quite a bit of that here in Florida during the meltdown and subsequent (lukewarm) recovery.
Smart lenders and servicers would file a lis pendens, get the foreclosure judgment but never enforce the certificate of title and then let the property sit because it was so upside down and the occupant was still maintaining it. As soon as the values started to rise "bang" they enforced the judgment and kicked the former mortgagor out and resold it.
In other situations they rushed to get the judgment (however shady it was, remember the "robosignings'") becasue they had hedge funds waiting to pay retail for the properties and they could get HAFA $$$ out of it.
As a "smart lender", if we waited 3 years to foreclose on a property just because "it was so upside down" we didn't want it back we'd get flame sprayed by the regulators for misstating our financials, not doing our fiduciary responsibility, and get thrown out on our ear. But I guess that's just the credit union industry.
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:46 pm
by CID1990
Skjellyfetti wrote:CID1990 wrote:
Nor am I surprised that the chattering class like SK find it earth shattering.
Earth to moonbats: water is wet, bears sh1t in the woods, and nobody is lily white. (Except me of course)
Why do you think I find it earth shattering?
As I said earlier, it's just entertaining in its hypocrisy.
It was obviously important enough for you to create a thread about it, SKSpandos.
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:49 pm
by CID1990
Chizzang wrote:CID1990 wrote:
Nor am I surprised that the chattering class like SK find it earth shattering.
Earth to moonbats: water is wet, bears sh1t in the woods, and nobody is lily white. (Except me of course)
Unfortunately
After close examination the majority of Moonbats reside inside the Tea Party compound
One good idea (actually it's a great idea) doesn't persuade me to write a blanket exemption for them
There's only one common thread among Tea Partiers, and that's small government and fiscal responsibility. The Tea Party is a lot like the Democratic Party.... lots of goofy fringe crap and loonies, but even the loons agree on the core tenets.
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:02 pm
by Chizzang
CID1990 wrote:Chizzang wrote:
Unfortunately
After close examination the majority of Moonbats reside inside the Tea Party compound
One good idea (actually it's a great idea) doesn't persuade me to write a blanket exemption for them
There's only one common thread among Tea Partiers, and that's small government and fiscal responsibility. The Tea Party is a lot like the Democratic Party.... lots of goofy fringe crap and loonies, but even the loons agree on the core tenets.
It sounds like we agree... They have ONE good idea
buried under a mountain of fear and ignorance
Re: Chairman of the OR Tea Party: 3 years behind on mortgage
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:50 am
by JohnStOnge
None of which has any relevance with respect to the validity of his political positions.
This kind of stuff can be done to people on both sides of any issue. There are hundreds of millions of people out there and millions are involved in politics. If someone wants to look for examples of people on one side of an issue or another who are politically active and who have things in their personal lives that seem ironic in light of their political positions they can find them.
It's basically a variation of ad hominem argument and it remains a logical fallacy. No bearing at all on whether the person who is subject of the ad hominem attack is correct in their arguments or not.