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Niose said the pledge’s repetitiveness in the public school system is indoctrinating and alienating to atheists.

“It validates believers as good patriots and it invalidates atheists as non-believers at best and unpatriotic at worst,” he said.

Rassbach added that it has been illegal to force someone recite the pledge since 1943. The landmark U.S. Supreme Court case West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette ruled that students could not be forced to salute the American flag or say the pledge in school. It was considered a huge victory for Jehovah’s Witnesses, who cannot salute or pledge to symbols, according to their religious beliefs.

Wildcat Ryan wrote:Jeezus I HATE PEOPLE

Cluck U wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:Jeezus I HATE PEOPLE

I think we're done here.

Cluck U wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:Jeezus I HATE PEOPLE

I think we're done here.

Wildcat Ryan wrote:http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09 ... court?lite

Niose said the pledge’s repetitiveness in the public school system is indoctrinating and alienating to atheists.

“It validates believers as good patriots and it invalidates atheists as non-believers at best and unpatriotic at worst,” he said.

Rassbach added that it has been illegal to force someone recite the pledge since 1943. The landmark U.S. Supreme Court case West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette ruled that students could not be forced to salute the American flag or say the pledge in school. It was considered a huge victory for Jehovah’s Witnesses, who cannot salute or pledge to symbols, according to their religious beliefs.

God these kind of articles just piss me off. IF YOU DONT WANT TO SAY UNDER GOD, DONT. STOP TRYING TO RUIN IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. Jeezus I HATE PEOPLE

houndawg wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09 ... court?lite







God these kind of articles just piss me off. IF YOU DONT WANT TO SAY UNDER GOD, DONT. STOP TRYING TO RUIN IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. Jeezus I HATE PEOPLE

"Under god" wasn't in the pledge until some peckerwood senator decided to ruin it for everybody else.


BTW, it was written by a socialist.

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

Cluck U wrote:


I think we're done here.

When people who say they are being infringed upon turn around and try to infringe on someone else it pisses me off. Why can't people live and let live? This now sorry a$$ country was founded under God, when you say Under God in the pledge, all you are doing is stating history, this country was FOUNDED under God, that is all those two little words are saying, NO ONE IS FORCING RELIGION ON YOU.

Nobody is forcing you to say the Plegde, STOP trying to FORCE others to stop saying it.

I hate double standards like this

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

houndawg wrote:


"Under god" wasn't in the pledge until some peckerwood senator decided to ruin it for everybody else.


BTW, it was written by a socialist.

The peckerwood brought the idea forth Congress passed it, so who should really be blamed?

How can something Violate someone's rights if it's not being forced on them?

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houndawg wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

The peckerwood brought the idea forth Congress passed it, so who should really be blamed?

How can something Violate someone's rights if it's not being forced on them?

Like I said: "under god" was not in the pledge originally.


Personally I think it is the cream of the jest that so few of the crowd who worship the pledge realize that it was written by a socialist.

TheDancinMonarch wrote:Maybe they would like this one better.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under Obama, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

houndawg wrote:
Like I said: "under god" was not in the pledge originally.


Personally I think it is the cream of the jest that so few of the crowd who worship the pledge realize that it was written by a socialist.

What does this have to do with political party? Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Capitolist? what does it matter? Since when does your political affiliation determine whether or not your religious?

Barrack Obama claims to be Christian, and he's a socialist

Ibanez wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

What does this have to do with political party? Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Capitolist? what does it matter? Since when does your political affiliation determine whether or not your religious?

Barrack Obama claims to be Christian, and he's a socialist

I'm no fan of Obama, but do you even know what a socialist is?

As a political movement, socialism includes a diverse array of political philosophies, ranging from reformism to revolutionary socialism. Proponents of state socialism advocate the nationalisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange as a strategy for implementing socialism. In contrast, libertarian socialism opposes the use of state power to achieve such an arrangement, opposing both parliamentary politics and state ownership.[8] Democratic socialism seeks to establish socialism through democratic processes and propagate its ideals within the context of a democratic political system

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

Ibanez wrote: I'm no fan of Obama, but do you even know what a socialist is?

Courtesy of Wikipedia

As a political movement, socialism includes a diverse array of political philosophies, ranging from reformism to revolutionary socialism. Proponents of state socialism advocate the nationalisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange as a strategy for implementing socialism. In contrast, libertarian socialism opposes the use of state power to achieve such an arrangement, opposing both parliamentary politics and state ownership.[8] Democratic socialism seeks to establish socialism through democratic processes and propagate its ideals within the context of a democratic political system

Sounds like Obama to me

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Ibanez wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

Courtesy of Wikipedia




Sounds like Obama to me

Wikipedia isn't a great source and providing a definition isn't providing proof. How is he a socialist? By forcing people to partake in the capitalist market via Obamacare? How?

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

kalm wrote:I like this Wildcat Ryan guy. I hope he posts more on the poli board.

I usually try to stay away from this board, politics always tend to piss me off

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

Ibanez wrote:
Wikipedia isn't a great source and providing a definition isn't providing proof. How is he a socialist? By forcing people to partake in the capitalist market via Obamacare? How?

contemporary social democrats support a welfare state and unemployment insurance as a means to "humanize" capitalism

That really sounds like Obama

Ibanez wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

What does this have to do with political party? Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Capitolist? what does it matter? Since when does your political affiliation determine whether or not your religious?

Barrack Obama claims to be Christian, and he's a socialist

I'm no fan of Obama, but do you even know what a socialist is?

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:

Ibanez wrote: I'm no fan of Obama, but do you even know what a socialist is?

I'd say the word he was looking for to describe Obama was communist.

kalm wrote:I like this Wildcat Ryan guy. I hope he posts more on the poli board.

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:

Ibanez wrote: I'm no fan of Obama, but do you even know what a socialist is?

I'd say the word he was looking for to describe Obama was communist.