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Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:28 am
by Baldy
When a candidate in a Kentucky Senate race has a "California Finance Chairperson", you know the system is fucked up beyond all repair.
Jeffrey Katzenberg Throws Political Might Behind Effort to Unseat Mitch McConnell
Jeffrey Katzenberg, the Democrats’ premier Hollywood fundraiser and donor, is throwing himself completely behind Kentucky secretary of state Alison Lundergan Grimes’ effort to unseat Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Democratic sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that Katzenberg has decided to make the Kentucky senate race the focus of his efforts during the 2014 midterm elections, and Tuesday he sent out a letter urging local Dems to turn out on Grimes’ behalf during a two-day fundraising visit she will make to Los Angeles Sept. 25 and 26. So far, a luncheon at Il Moro restaurant is the centerpiece of that visit, but sources tell THR that a full schedule of other events will be added.
If Katzenberg's effort for Grimes comes close to his work for the Democrats during the last election, expect the secretary of state's Hollywood events to be star-studded affairs with every mogul in town on board. The 2008 election placed Katzenberg firmly on the map as Hollywood's new political kingpin. But a McConnell defeat could inch him closer to Lew Wasserman territory.
“Alison is the antidote to McConnell and all he represents,” Katzenberg wrote in his letter, obtained by THR. “She can win, and she will win if she gets the support she needs. Despite McConnell’s name recognition and long tenure, an August 1st Public Policy Poll actually showed her leading by one point -- 45 percent to McConnell’s 44 percent.”
Diane Hamwi, Hillary Clinton's California fundraiser in 2008, is also on board as Grimes' California finance chair. Circulating Katzenberg's letter to her own network of donors, Hamwi wrote: "We can beat Mitch McConnell and Alison is the one to do it! As KY's secretary of state, she has already won statewide and at 34 years of age, represents our next generation of leaders."
The DreamWorks chief, who has “maxed out” on personal donations to Grimes’ campaign, urged Hollywood Democrats to support her LA fundraiser with individual donations of $5,200 and $10,000 per couple.
EDIT:
Queue kalm and his Citizens United deflection in 3...2...1...

Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:35 am
by kalm
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:01 am
by Pwns
They'll still get shellacked. What a colossal waste of money.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:50 am
by houndawg
Pwns wrote:They'll still get shellacked. What a colossal waste of money.
This actually makes McConnell's job easier.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:59 am
by Cap'n Cat
Baldy wrote:When a candidate in a Kentucky Senate race has a "California Finance Chairperson", you know the system is fucked up beyond all repair.
Jeffrey Katzenberg Throws Political Might Behind Effort to Unseat Mitch McConnell
Jeffrey Katzenberg, the Democrats’ premier Hollywood fundraiser and donor, is throwing himself completely behind Kentucky secretary of state Alison Lundergan Grimes’ effort to unseat Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Democratic sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that Katzenberg has decided to make the Kentucky senate race the focus of his efforts during the 2014 midterm elections, and Tuesday he sent out a letter urging local Dems to turn out on Grimes’ behalf during a two-day fundraising visit she will make to Los Angeles Sept. 25 and 26. So far, a luncheon at Il Moro restaurant is the centerpiece of that visit, but sources tell THR that a full schedule of other events will be added.
If Katzenberg's effort for Grimes comes close to his work for the Democrats during the last election, expect the secretary of state's Hollywood events to be star-studded affairs with every mogul in town on board. The 2008 election placed Katzenberg firmly on the map as Hollywood's new political kingpin. But a McConnell defeat could inch him closer to Lew Wasserman territory.
“Alison is the antidote to McConnell and all he represents,” Katzenberg wrote in his letter, obtained by THR. “She can win, and she will win if she gets the support she needs. Despite McConnell’s name recognition and long tenure, an August 1st Public Policy Poll actually showed her leading by one point -- 45 percent to McConnell’s 44 percent.”
Diane Hamwi, Hillary Clinton's California fundraiser in 2008, is also on board as Grimes' California finance chair. Circulating Katzenberg's letter to her own network of donors, Hamwi wrote: "We can beat Mitch McConnell and Alison is the one to do it! As KY's secretary of state, she has already won statewide and at 34 years of age, represents our next generation of leaders."
The DreamWorks chief, who has “maxed out” on personal donations to Grimes’ campaign, urged Hollywood Democrats to support her LA fundraiser with individual donations of $5,200 and $10,000 per couple.
EDIT:
Queue kalm and his Citizens United deflection in 3...2...1...

Hey, Mort. The word you're looking for is "cue". Look it up, Rick Perry.

Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:01 am
by GannonFan
Having state legislatures themselves elect Senators is never going to be a step in the right direction. It's hard to think of a shadier group of people to elect a Senator than most state legislatures.
As for the issue, I really don't have a problem if someone outside of Kentucky wants to raise and spend money to influence the Senatorial election in Kentucky. The system works when we at least know who is spending the money, and in this case, we do. Again, this is just spending money, not actual voting. Kentuckians can decide on their own who they want to represent them and campaign spending sourcing from outside of the commonwealth will be something that Kentuckians themselves decide if they like in their candidate or not. Money does not guarantee outcome.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:07 am
by kalm
GannonFan wrote:Having state legislatures themselves elect Senators is never going to be a step in the right direction. It's hard to think of a shadier group of people to elect a Senator than most state legislatures.
As for the issue, I really don't have a problem if someone outside of Kentucky wants to raise and spend money to influence the Senatorial election in Kentucky. The system works when we at least know who is spending the money, and in this case, we do. Again, this is just spending money, not actual voting. Kentuckians can decide on their own who they want to represent them and campaign spending sourcing from outside of the commonwealth will be something that Kentuckians themselves decide if they like in their candidate or not. Money does not guarantee outcome.
Correct...approximately 5% of the time.

Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:55 am
by GannonFan
kalm wrote:GannonFan wrote:Having state legislatures themselves elect Senators is never going to be a step in the right direction. It's hard to think of a shadier group of people to elect a Senator than most state legislatures.
As for the issue, I really don't have a problem if someone outside of Kentucky wants to raise and spend money to influence the Senatorial election in Kentucky. The system works when we at least know who is spending the money, and in this case, we do. Again, this is just spending money, not actual voting. Kentuckians can decide on their own who they want to represent them and campaign spending sourcing from outside of the commonwealth will be something that Kentuckians themselves decide if they like in their candidate or not. Money does not guarantee outcome.
Correct...approximately 5% of the time.

Chicken and egg argument - money follows the winner, hence the skewed percentage.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:37 am
by Baldy
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:41 pm
by Cap'n Cat
Tryin' to help. Looks bad when you exercise poor word choice, man.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:55 pm
by Ibanez
I don't want those jackasses in Columbia voting their comrades into office.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:56 pm
by Ibanez
Cap'n Cat wrote:Tryin' to help. Looks bad when you exercise poor word choice, man.
Queue means to line up, essentially. So, his word was poor, but acceptable.

Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:29 pm
by Cap'n Cat
Ibanez wrote:Cap'n Cat wrote:Tryin' to help. Looks bad when you exercise poor word choice, man.
Queue means to line up, essentially. So, his word was poor, but acceptable.

Word choice, Mark, dictates that there is a better word. He was
cueing a poster, as one would an actor on a stage, to come forward and pronounce a view.

Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:17 pm
by Ibanez
Cap'n Cat wrote:Ibanez wrote:
Queue means to line up, essentially. So, his word was poor, but acceptable.

Word choice, Mark, dictates that there is a better word. He was
cueing a poster, as one would an actor on a stage, to come forward and pronounce a view.

I figured you'd know more about
cooing than
cueing.

Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:06 pm
by SuperHornet
Cap'n is correct.
Depending on context, queue is either a line (as in a line that one stands in at the grocery store, movie theatre, etc.) or braided hair worn by sailors of the British Navy during the Napoleonic Wars.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:25 am
by Baldy
Cap'n Cat wrote:Tryin' to help. Looks bad when you exercise poor word choice, man.
Whatever makes you feel better, Fonz

Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:37 am
by 93henfan
SuperHornet wrote:Cap'n is correct.
Depending on context, queue is either a line (as in a line that one stands in at the grocery store, movie theatre, etc.) or braided hair worn by sailors of the British Navy during the Napoleonic Wars.
Even Baldy admits he meant to use "cue", but "queue" also works in the context he used it. You're focusing on "queue" as a noun. "Queue" can be used as a verb to mean "line up".
The men queued outside Amy Grant's bedroom whenever her husband was out of town.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:01 am
by Baldy
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:18 am
by HI54UNI
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:19 am
by ASUMountaineer
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:23 am
by LeadBolt
Perhaps we should restore real estate ownership as a qualification for voting, along with abolishing the 17th Amendment.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:02 am
by Ivytalk
Ibanez wrote:I don't want those jackasses in Columbia voting their comrades into office.
Or those triple-dipping douchebags in Dover.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:02 am
by Ibanez
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:25 am
by kalm
LeadBolt wrote:Perhaps we should restore real estate ownership as a qualification for voting, along with abolishing the 17th Amendment.
Why? Policy is already pretty much set by money anyway.
Re: Time to repeal the 17th amendment.
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:39 am
by Ibanez
LeadBolt wrote:Perhaps we should restore real estate ownership as a qualification for voting, along with abolishing the 17th Amendment.
No. That disenfranchises people as well as just plain stupid. I suppose you want to start importing africans to work in the fields, don't you?