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Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:26 pm**

So much for 1st amendment rights...

What's hysterical is:
The same "strict constitutional conservatives" on this site
who worship the 2nd amendment don't seem to mind when the 1st amendment is violated....
Particularly if it's against a Non-violent peaceful protester

On the evening of August 30th, Emily Yates, an Iraq war veteran, was just illegally arrested, choked and brutalized by park police at Independence Mall in Philadelphia. She was not engaged in any illegal activity and was not told why she was being attacked. While she was busy playing a song, park rangers accosted her. When she demanded an explanation for their aggression, they pinned her first to a park bench then to the pavement for an extended period before dragging her off to the Philadelphia Federal Detention Center...

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Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:29 pm**

Damn hippies. . .

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:44 pm**

Vidav wrote:Damn hippies. . .

I'm waiting for the "she should have brought a gun to her 1st amendment meeting"
or something along those lines...

BTW: These Cops belong in the unemployment line

they're lucky to be in a union

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:18 pm**

That's a good looking banjo. Hope it wasn't damaged.

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:33 pm**

Vidav wrote:Damn hippies. . .

Damn straight....

On a serious note, I have nothing against free speech. You can watch the video here:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3bf_1378009165

I didn't watch the whole thing, just the first little bit. It sounds like she was in a closed area and the Park Rangers seemed pretty patient to start with to me. She wanted a confrontation.

I am all for freedom of speech and the right to bear arms, you can't have one with out the other.

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:33 pm**

Skjellyfetti wrote:That's a good looking banjo. Hope it wasn't damaged.

My first thought as well...

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:35 pm**

She wanted a confrontation and got it...

this is no different than the veteran who moved into a community, signed the HOA covenant that prohibits multiple flags...then puts up multiple flags and claims the community is anti-American...its crap...

She was told to leave by lawful authorities...she refused...

Same as the guy who videotaped his loading a shotgun in downtown Washington...and then posted it, challenging the police...and is now in jail...he wanted a confrontation, and got it...

Some laws suck...and you have to make a choice...obey, or not...and accept the consequences...

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:38 pm**

Col Hogan wrote:She wanted a confrontation and got it...

this is no different than the veteran who moved into a community, signed the HOA covenant that prohibits multiple flags...then puts up multiple flags and claims the community is anti-American...its crap...

She was told to leave by lawful authorities...she refused...

Same as the guy who videotaped his loading a shotgun in downtown Washington...and then posted it, challenging the police...and is now in jail...he wanted a confrontation, and got it...

Some laws suck...and you have to make a choice...obey, or not...and accept the consequences...

She's going to win her case...
Public park / the right to freely assemble

And why can't they just leave some hippy with a banjo alone (seriously) WTF
I call bullsh!t on any police officer who can't let somebody play a banjo in the park

sad days my friend... sad days

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:58 pm**

Col Hogan wrote:She wanted a confrontation and got it...

this is no different than the veteran who moved into a community, signed the HOA covenant that prohibits multiple flags...then puts up multiple flags and claims the community is anti-American...its crap...

She was told to leave by lawful authorities...she refused...

Same as the guy who videotaped his loading a shotgun in downtown Washington...and then posted it, challenging the police...and is now in jail...he wanted a confrontation, and got it...

Some laws suck...and you have to make a choice...obey, or not...and accept the consequences...

Which law was she violating? Sometimes, the laws are fine and the police suck at their understanding of them.

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:07 pm**

kalm wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:She wanted a confrontation and got it...

this is no different than the veteran who moved into a community, signed the HOA covenant that prohibits multiple flags...then puts up multiple flags and claims the community is anti-American...its crap...

She was told to leave by lawful authorities...she refused...

Same as the guy who videotaped his loading a shotgun in downtown Washington...and then posted it, challenging the police...and is now in jail...he wanted a confrontation, and got it...

Some laws suck...and you have to make a choice...obey, or not...and accept the consequences...

Which law was she violating? Sometimes, the laws are fine and the police suck at their understanding of them.

I don't argue that point...but when a law enforcement officer tells you you have to move...you have two choices...do it, or eventually get what she got...

The charge could be failure to follow a lawful order...which may get tossed in court...may not...

If she was trying to get a confrontation for a certain point, than she succeeded...

If she thought her status (female/veteran) could get the cops to back off...she misjudged...

As with everything, stand up for your position and accept the consequences...or back down and reattack another day...

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:08 pm**

Col Hogan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Which law was she violating? Sometimes, the laws are fine and the police suck at their understanding of them.
I don't argue that point...but when a law enforcement officer tells you you have to move...you have two choices...do it, or eventually get what she got...

The charge could be failure to follow a lawful order...which may get tossed in court...may not...

If she was trying to get a confrontation for a certain point, then she succeeded...

If she thought her status (female/veteran) could get the cops to back off...she misjudged...

As with everything, stand up for your position and accept the consequences...or back down and reattack another day...

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:11 pm**

Col Hogan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Which law was she violating? Sometimes, the laws are fine and the police suck at their understanding of them.
I don't argue that point...but when a law enforcement officer tells you you have to move...you have two choices...do it, or eventually get what she got...

The charge could be failure to follow a lawful order...which may get tossed in court...may not...

If she was trying to get a confrontation for a certain point, than she succeeded...

If she thought her status (female/veteran) could get the cops to back off...she misjudged...

As with everything, stand up for your position and accept the consequences...or back down and reattack another day...

But at what point is a banjo playing hippie in the park
constitute a violent physical confrontational arrest worthy?

This is just STUPID / no two ways around it...
Stupid Hippie and even more Stupid police officers
Police shouldn't be "the stupid ones" and yet so frequently are (frankly it's amazing)

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:13 pm**

Col Hogan wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
I don't argue that point...but when a law enforcement officer tells you you have to move...you have two choices...do it, or eventually get what she got...

The charge could be failure to follow a lawful order...which may get tossed in court...may not...

If she was trying to get a confrontation for a certain point, then she succeeded...

If she thought her status (female/veteran) could get the cops to back off...she misjudged...

As with everything, stand up for your position and accept the consequences...or back down and reattack another day...

Oh I won't argue who has the hammer in the initial confrontation. Right or wrong. Just looking at the larger picture here.

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:50 pm**

Chizzang wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
I don't argue that point...but when a law enforcement officer tells you you have to move...you have two choices...do it, or eventually get what she got...

The charge could be failure to follow a lawful order...which may get tossed in court...may not...

If she was trying to get a confrontation for a certain point, than she succeeded...

If she thought her status (female/veteran) could get the cops to back off...she misjudged...

As with everything, stand up for your position and accept the consequences...or back down and reattack another day...

But at what point is a banjo playing hippie in the park
constitute a violent physical confrontational arrest worthy?

This is just STUPID / no two ways around it...
Stupid Hippie and even more Stupid police officers
Police shouldn't be "the stupid ones" and yet so frequently are (frankly it's amazing)

Assuming for a moment she was WRONG to be there...at what point do the cops simply walk away and let her break the law/orders???

Not good for an organization built on compliant citizens...to back away from a banjo playing hippie...

Listen, they most likely over-reacted...so did she...

Great video for the you-tubers...interesting discussion...

Not a real big deal, in the grand scheme of things IMHO...

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:17 pm**

Come on Chiz...those ignorant hippies were itching for a confrontation.

What a bunch of dumb, ignorant whack jobs. Once the police arrested her, they all went ballistic with their "police state", and, "you're hurting/chocking/violating her" garbage.

Look, if you want to get arrested, then get arrested. You only make yourself look foolish if you struggle while screaming about being hurt.

Duh.

Note the idiot in the video saying something about, "if you take her, you take me"...all the while not moving forward to get taken.

Chump probably went home telling everyone he was a hero because the police were too afraid to take him down.

If a police officer tells you to leave an area...leave.

That really isn't hard to understand.

If you don't like it, tell a politician or a lawyer and get the rule changed or the police officer reeducated for his mistake, or suspended for his behavior.

But, to purposefully engage in a confrontation, and then whine about being confronted, is ridiculous.

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:24 pm**

Cluck U wrote:Come on Chiz...those ignorant hippies were itching for a confrontation.

What a bunch of dumb, ignorant whack jobs. Once the police arrested her, they all went ballistic with their "police state", and, "you're hurting/chocking/violating her" garbage.

Look, if you want to get arrested, then get arrested. You only make yourself look foolish if you struggle while screaming about being hurt. Duh.

Note the idiot in the video saying something about, "if you take her, you take me"...all the while not moving forward to get taken. Chump probably went home telling everyone he was a hero because the police were too afraid to take him down.

If a police officer tells you to leave an area...leave. That really isn't hard to understand.

If you don't like it, tell a politician or a lawyer and get the rule changed or the police officer reeducated for his mistake, or suspended for his behavior.

But, to purposefully engage in a confrontation, and then whine about being confronted, is ridiculous.

Excuse me...!!!
The POLICE work for ME
I pay their salary / To serve and protect me

What are you talking about you soft compliant fat lazy douche fart (a sincere and hearty fuck you)
I will never EVER EVER leave an area because a "police officer'" says sh!t
They are public servants not Military overlords

You and I are on COMPLETE opposite sides on this...
A peaceful citizen should ALWAYS be dealt with peacefully in turn (ALWAYS) as a mandatory RULE
Anything other than that is a runaway police force in my opinion

Peacefulness = Peacefulness / Always
any other formula is straight up bullsh!t
They should have simply stood their (period) and that's all (Period)
She was harmless and peaceful

You've lost your mind if you think:
"A police officer says move so you move..." Bullsh!t

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:30 pm**

Maybe you should address the issue with whomever came up with squatting or nuisance ordinances in public parks.

Usually that's your friendly neighborhood city council.

And more times than not, they're responding to the quality of life a$$hole citizens that are a carbuncle on the a$$ of every city council everywhere. They come in two flavors: JSO, and SK. Activist types. Uptight about everything, including people sullying up the public parks.

Then the police enforce the ordinances and who are the first people to get uptight about it?

The activist a$$holes.

The police aren't writing the laws. And I'm sure they'd be happy to refund you your nickel

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:31 am**

Chizzang wrote:
Cluck U wrote:Come on Chiz...those ignorant hippies were itching for a confrontation.

What a bunch of dumb, ignorant whack jobs. Once the police arrested her, they all went ballistic with their "police state", and, "you're hurting/chocking/violating her" garbage.

Look, if you want to get arrested, then get arrested. You only make yourself look foolish if you struggle while screaming about being hurt. Duh.

Note the idiot in the video saying something about, "if you take her, you take me"...all the while not moving forward to get taken. Chump probably went home telling everyone he was a hero because the police were too afraid to take him down.

If a police officer tells you to leave an area...leave. That really isn't hard to understand.

If you don't like it, tell a politician or a lawyer and get the rule changed or the police officer reeducated for his mistake, or suspended for his behavior.

But, to purposefully engage in a confrontation, and then whine about being confronted, is ridiculous.
Excuse me...!!!
The POLICE work for ME
I pay their salary / To serve and protect me

What are you talking about you soft compliant fat lazy douche fart (a sincere and hearty **** you)
I will never EVER EVER leave an area because a "police officer'" says sh!t
They are public servants not Military overlords

You and I are on COMPLETE opposite sides on this...
A peaceful citizen should ALWAYS be dealt with peacefully in turn (ALWAYS) as a mandatory RULE
Anything other than that is a runaway police force in my opinion

Peacefulness = Peacefulness / Always
any other formula is straight up bullsh!t
They should have simply stood their (period) and that's all (Period)
She was harmless and peaceful

You've lost your mind if you think:
"A police officer says move so you move..." Bullsh!t

The police do work for you to enforce the laws you put in...don't like the law, then get it changed...

And, please, if a law breaker just has to act peaceful to avoid any consequences, then all criminals have to do is act peaceful towards the police (see what I did there...)

She was wrong and the police over reacted...but in the end, she got what she deserved...arrested...

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:04 am**

Chizzang wrote:So much for 1st amendment rights...

What's hysterical is:
The same "strict constitutional conservatives" on this site
who worship the 2nd amendment don't seem to mind when the 1st amendment is violated....
Particularly if it's against a Non-violent peaceful protester

Do you mean in the same way when leftist (so-called) "civil right", "civil liberty" types who worship the 1st amendment until someone from a different world view expresses a thought, concept, or belief in which they don't agree?

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:32 am**

Col Hogan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Excuse me...!!!
The POLICE work for ME
I pay their salary / To serve and protect me

What are you talking about you soft compliant fat lazy douche fart (a sincere and hearty **** you)
I will never EVER EVER leave an area because a "police officer'" says sh!t
They are public servants not Military overlords

You and I are on COMPLETE opposite sides on this...
A peaceful citizen should ALWAYS be dealt with peacefully in turn (ALWAYS) as a mandatory RULE
Anything other than that is a runaway police force in my opinion

Peacefulness = Peacefulness / Always
any other formula is straight up bullsh!t
They should have simply stood their (period) and that's all (Period)
She was harmless and peaceful

You've lost your mind if you think:
"A police officer says move so you move..." Bullsh!t
The police do work for you to enforce the laws you put in...don't like the law, then get it changed...

And, please, if a law breaker just has to act peaceful to avoid any consequences, then all criminals have to do is act peaceful towards the police (see what I did there...)

She was wrong and the police over reacted...but in the end, she got what she deserved...arrested...

IF she was wrong, she was wrong like speeding is wrong. Or do cops no longer have any discretion?

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:41 am**

kalm wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
The police do work for you to enforce the laws you put in...don't like the law, then get it changed...

And, please, if a law breaker just has to act peaceful to avoid any consequences, then all criminals have to do is act peaceful towards the police (see what I did there...)

She was wrong and the police over reacted...but in the end, she got what she deserved...arrested...
IF she was wrong, she was wrong like speeding is wrong. Or do cops no longer have any discretion?

With public complaints, the age of digital video, and mandatory arrest laws? They have very little discretion anymore.

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:26 am**

Use a banjo go to jail. Fortunately it wasn't a five string....

Damn shame the way these union pigs treat the very veterans who make it possible for us to sleep safely every night in 'merica.

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:29 am**

Chizzang wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
I don't argue that point...but when a law enforcement officer tells you you have to move...you have two choices...do it, or eventually get what she got...

The charge could be failure to follow a lawful order...which may get tossed in court...may not...

If she was trying to get a confrontation for a certain point, than she succeeded...

If she thought her status (female/veteran) could get the cops to back off...she misjudged...

As with everything, stand up for your position and accept the consequences...or back down and reattack another day...

But at what point is a banjo playing hippie in the park
constitute a violent physical confrontational arrest worthy?

This is just STUPID / no two ways around it...
Stupid Hippie and even more Stupid police officers
Police shouldn't be "the stupid ones" and yet so frequently are (frankly it's amazing)

Does she have a history of violent resistance? What was going on before the video was filmed?

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:41 am**

Playing a banjo in Philly??????

Not a smart move.

Posted: **Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:47 am**

Chizzang wrote: Excuse me...!!!
The POLICE work for ME
I pay their salary / To serve and protect me

What are you talking about you soft compliant fat lazy douche fart (a sincere and hearty fuck you)
I will never EVER EVER leave an area because a "police officer'" says sh!t
They are public servants not Military overlords

You and I are on COMPLETE opposite sides on this...
A peaceful citizen should ALWAYS be dealt with peacefully in turn (ALWAYS) as a mandatory RULE
Anything other than that is a runaway police force in my opinion

Peacefulness = Peacefulness / Always
any other formula is straight up bullsh!t
They should have simply stood their (period) and that's all (Period)
She was harmless and peaceful

You've lost your mind if you think:
"A police officer says move so you move..." Bullsh!t

Uh, the police do not work for you. Where do you come up with such complete bvllsh!t?

Seriously, if I want a police officer to arrest you for being stupid, can the officer arrest you? And what if you want the officer to arrest me for being smart...can the officer do that?

Of course not. They don't work for you or me.

The police work to enforce laws that...as others have pointed out...that the general public, of which you are part, have put in place.

Thus, we are back to my point that you conveniently didn't address in your response. Don't like the laws or the police officers behavior? Change the laws or challenge the behavior formally through the system in which YOU, as a citizen of the country, state, town, live.

It really is that simple.

Unfortunately, we have a bunch of preschool-minded hippies, with no patience and no common sense, that don't want to engage in a respectful conversation about such things. They'd rather go perch somewhere, usually without a permit, to interfere with the rest of society's daily lives (as boring and/or capitalistic as that can be), in order to call attention to their, "life's not fair" plight of the week. They look for a confrontation, get one, and then complain that they were confronted.

Watch the video. A bunch of big, bad, hippie clowns (most of whom would get their asses kicked in by anyone who eats meat or played on any youth athletic team) calling the park police a bunch of names and trying to goad them into action. One lady is screaming, "you're choking/hurting her", when clearly the lady in custody is still screaming (not being choked) and kicking the officers (and the officers were NOT hurting her - except for the uncomfortable position of being put into handcuffs while resisting arrest - and they repeatedly asked her to stop kicking them).

Pathetic.

Most of them probably didn't bother to vote...and those that did voted for Obama - the very leader whose actions got them to protest in the park in the first place. Straight up karma.

Go to your protest, enjoy the air, get your views out in the open, and then go home and organize and that bunch of people to contact your local political leader and work to change the laws. Otherwise, I have no sympathy for people who intentionally and disingenuously set themselves, and others, up for a confrontation under the guise that they are just nice people there to be "peaceful." Bullshvt.

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