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So is it going to blow up today?

And I thought our dear leader was beloved around the world....

Is this Arab Summer?

Ibanez wrote:Is this Arab Summer?

HI54UNI wrote:

Now just minute here. He can't call our President a "jerk". Only we can call our President a "jerk".

HI54UNI wrote:

How come a bunch of dumb sand nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnobodies can report the truth about Obama more accurately than our so-called "educated" liberal media?

Guess we'll skip the pyramids this year.

I predict civil war and Egypt being split into 2-3 different countries within the next 5 years.

Coup in progress.

my balls itch

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OMxC7te5Ks[/youtube]

A question for our military folks (purely out of curiosity), but the way the US armed forces are set-up, is there a chance the US military could ever pull of a coup here? I mean, one great thing about our nation is that the government is set-up to be inefficient, weak, and fairly divided, but if the people were ever united enough in overthrowing the government (and considering the military is mostly made up of regular people), is it possible that the military would back up the public?

∞∞∞ wrote:A question for our military folks (purely out of curiosity), but the way the US armed forces are set-up, is there a chance the US military could ever pull of a coup here? I mean, one great thing about our nation is that the government is set-up to be inefficient, weak, and fairly divided, but if the people were ever united enough in overthrowing the government (and considering the military is mostly made up of regular people), is it possible that the military would back up the public?

You'd see a scenario like what played out in Libya....some units backing the government, other units (probably less well equipped and more poorly manned) backing the "regular people". It wouldn't end well. The difference being, however, that the "regular people" in America are armed to the teeth.

AZGrizFan wrote:You'd see a scenario like what played out in Libya....some units backing the government, other units (probably less well equipped and more poorly manned) backing the "regular people". It wouldn't end well. The difference being, however, that the "regular people" in America are armed to the teeth.

Would "armed to the teeth" matter with the sophisticated weaponry and technology the US military has at its disposal? I imagine if the American people ever rose up, the public would need the military support of other nations in order to effectively depose the US government (if the military largely backs the gov't).

For the record, considering 99% of the government is made up by normal folks, how many ideological differences there are in the US, and how many checks-and-balances there are on all levels of our government, I don't ever see a drastic need to take down the government any time soon. If for whatever reason the executive and/or legislative branches decided to "take over," it'd only take a few people at any point in the chain of command to side with the "people" in order to stop a grab of power...and I have enough faith that would be the case.

∞∞∞ wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:You'd see a scenario like what played out in Libya....some units backing the government, other units (probably less well equipped and more poorly manned) backing the "regular people". It wouldn't end well. The difference being, however, that the "regular people" in America are armed to the teeth.

Would "armed to the teeth" matter with the sophisticated weaponry and technology the US military has at its disposal? I imagine if the American people ever rose up, the public would need the military support of other nations in order to effectively depose the US government (if the military largely backs the gov't).

For the record, considering 99% of the government is made up by normal folks, how many ideological differences there are in the US, and how many checks-and-balances there are on all levels of our government, I don't ever see a drastic need to take down the government any time soon. If for whatever reason the executive and/or legislative branches decided to "take over," it'd only take a few people at any point in the chain of command to side with the "people" in order to stop a grab of power...and I have enough faith that would be the case.

The # of guns/bullets held by "regular people" far outweighs the number held by military units. And who do you think MAKES their bullets, guns, tanks, etc?

AZGrizFan wrote:The # of guns/bullets held by "regular people" far outweighs the number held by military units. And who do you think MAKES their bullets, guns, tanks, etc?

I don't know though, I'd wager one F-18 could take out a small militia regardless of the amount of bullets they're carrying. Of course I'm not taking into account the creativity factor of humans, but you get my point. I still think the public would need the help of another nation (Russia?) in order to depose the US government if such an extreme scenario ever occurred.

Also, couldn't the gov't just import weaponry (although I'm not sure which ally would support such a thing)? Would they even need to import it considering the large stockpile of weapons and vehicles it already has on hand?

∞∞∞ wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:The # of guns/bullets held by "regular people" far outweighs the number held by military units. And who do you think MAKES their bullets, guns, tanks, etc?

I don't know though, I'd wager one F-18 could take out a small militia regardless of the amount of bullets they're carrying. Of course I'm not taking into account the creativity factor of humans. I still think the public would need the help of another nation (Russia?) in order to depose the US government if this extreme scenario ever occurred.

Also, couldn't the gov't just import weaponry (although I'm not sure which ally would support such a thing)?

The million dollar question is how much of the military would support the govt and how much would support the regular people. I think we would be surprised at how much of the rank and file would support the regular people.

∞∞∞ wrote:A question for our military folks (purely out of curiosity), but the way the US armed forces are set-up, is there a chance the US military could ever pull of a coup here? I mean, one great thing about our nation is that the government is set-up to be inefficient, weak, and fairly divided, but if the people were ever united enough in overthrowing the government (and considering the military is mostly made up of regular people), is it possible that the military would back up the public?

At this point in time, I don't believe it would be possible. I think we have enough safe guards built in to stop it from happening. Military personnel are sworn to uphold the constitution and we are setup a lot differently than a lot of other militaries. If you take Iraq for example, they had very few NCO's in their ranks and not a lot of differences in their ranks really. Basically you have a few assholes in charge and a bunch of grunts. We tend to have a lot better command and structure to ours and they are able to operate more autonomously and actually think and function on their own. At any point in time, you always have the right to refuse what you consider to be an unlawful order. I am not saying attacking people on American soil would or wouldn’t be a lawful order, but our people would certainly think about it. Other armies don’t have the same options ours does and would likely suffer terrible consequences, their families to for even thinking about it not doing what they were told.

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote: We tend to have a lot better command and structure to ours and they are able to operate more autonomously and actually think and function on their own. At any point in time, you always have the right to refuse what you consider to be an unlawful order. I am not saying attacking people on American soil would or wouldn’t be a lawful order, but our people would certainly think about it. Other armies don’t have the same options ours does and would likely suffer terrible consequences, their families to for even thinking about it not doing what they were told.

"I, ____________, do solemnly swear to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC..."

HI54UNI wrote:So is it going to blow up today?

And I thought our dear leader was beloved around the world....

But, but, but..... he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Shows what type of age we live in when Morsy's first post-deposition statement is done via Twitter.

AZGrizFan wrote:

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote: We tend to have a lot better command and structure to ours and they are able to operate more autonomously and actually think and function on their own. At any point in time, you always have the right to refuse what you consider to be an unlawful order. I am not saying attacking people on American soil would or wouldn’t be a lawful order, but our people would certainly think about it. Other armies don’t have the same options ours does and would likely suffer terrible consequences, their families to for even thinking about it not doing what they were told.

"I, ____________, do solemnly swear to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC..."

This.

Also, our troops are beholden to disobey an unlawful order. There is a ton of gray area in determining what constitutes a lawful order. This gray area allows for some judgement to enter into the equation. Unlike the heavily centralized leadership structure of many of our foes, the US (at least the USMC) has a decentralized structure where commander intent is communicated and then each subordinate leader is left to execute down to the smallest unit level. You would think that this would provide some opportunity for our military to do the right thing, despite what kook might be in charge of it.

93henfan wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
"I, ____________, do solemnly swear to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC..."

This.

Also, our troops are beholden to disobey an unlawful order. There is a ton of gray area in determining what constitutes a lawful order. This gray area allows for some judgement to enter into the equation. Unlike the heavily centralized leadership structure of many of our foes, the US (at least the USMC) has a decentralized structure where commander intent is communicated and then each subordinate leader is left to execute down to the smallest unit level. You would think that this would provide some opportunity for our military to do the right thing, despite what kook might be in charge of it.

93 and AZ have ripped the tits off this.

At least the left can't blame this on Bush.......those signs are spelled correctly.



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HI54UNI wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote: I don't know though, I'd wager one F-18 could take out a small militia regardless of the amount of bullets they're carrying. Of course I'm not taking into account the creativity factor of humans. I still think the public would need the help of another nation (Russia?) in order to depose the US government if this extreme scenario ever occurred.

Also, couldn't the gov't just import weaponry (although I'm not sure which ally would support such a thing)?

The million dollar question is how much of the military would support the govt and how much would support the regular people. I think we would be surprised at how much of the rank and file would support the regular people.

The largest amount of support for the people would come from lower ranking enlisted men, E-4 and below. Troops on their first hitch. Supporters of the oppressor will be found in higher ranks as they have more invested in the status quo. Back when there was a draft there would have been zero support for the government and some fragings of officers and the Generals wouldn't have very many troops to carry out a coup with.