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SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:43 am
by BDKJMU
Discrimination against states and localities, majority of which are in the South, will no longer be allowed: :nod:
"....The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that states can no longer be judged by voting discrimination that went on decades ago, in a decision that marks the end of a major civil-rights era reform.
The 5-4 ruling rewrites a key tool of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which for five decades has given the federal government unprecedented say in everything from how some states draw their congressional maps to where they place polling locations.

But the justices said after five decades, the law has had a dramatic effect in ending discrimination in voting, and said Congress must now come up with new ways of deciding who still needs federal oversight.
Beneath the legal ruling is a broader social statement, with the justices saying that a state cannot be perpetually held responsible for past discrimination if there’s no evidence that it still exists.
“Congress —if it is to divide the states — must identify those jurisdictions to be singled out on a basis that makes sense in light of current conditions. It cannot rely simply on the past,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority.

The ruling leaves in place many of the protections of the 1965 law, such as banning literacy tests. But it said the federal government can no longer treat some jurisdictions differently because of discrimination that may have ended decades ago.

“If Congress had started from scratch in 2006, it plainly could not have enacted the present cover- age formula. It would have been irrational for Congress to distinguish between states in such a fundamental way based on 40-year-old data, when today’s statistics tell an entirely different story,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote.

At issue was Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act, which applies a decades-old formula to decide which states and counties had histories of discrimination.

The formula hasn’t been updated, which the court ruled meant the nine states and counties in six other states that are still subject to the extra scrutiny are being judged for a history that may be long gone.

Those states that were covered by Section four had to subject to what is known as “preclearance,” which gives the federal government review over everything ranging from new congressional representation maps and voter-identification laws all the way down to moving a polling place across the road.

The preclearance provisions were deemed so drastic that when Congress enacted them in 1965, they were temporary. Lawmakers renewed in 1970, 1975, 1982 and, most recently, in 2006, when Congress extended them for 25 more years.

But the chief justice, in his opinion, said Congress didn’t go back and look at the formula it used to decide who was forced to submit to federal scrutiny and who was not.
The court’s four liberal-leaning justices dissented, with Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg writing that the court is essentially saying the Voting Rights Act has been so successful that it should be ended.

But Justice Ginsburg said discrimination still exists in voting laws ranging from racial gerrymandering to changing representation formulas — what she called “second-generation barriers.”
She said this was proved by the number of changes that the Justice Department rejected as discriminatory, acting under its Voting Rights Act powers.

“Given a record replete with examples of denial or abridgment of a paramount federal right, the court should have left the matter where it belongs: in Congress‘ bailiwick,” Justice Ginsburg wrote.

The court ruling leaves the preclearance tools in place, but eliminates the formula Congress used to decide who had to go through the special scrutiny. Chief Justice Roberts invited Congress to try to rewrite the formula to be more fair."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ld/?page=2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:53 am
by dbackjon
Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:04 am
by BDKJMU
A sad day to people like you who want some states and localities to be discriminated against with additional arbitrary and capricious burdens that most localities and states don't have to deal with.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:06 am
by tribe_pride
dbackjon wrote:Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.
Can I ask you what specifically you found wrong with this ruling and not conclusions on how you think things will result from the ruling?

The only part that was ruled unconstitutional is the part that said a formula of how things were in the early 1970s must be used to determine which jurisdictions need DOJ approval.

Remember that the Constitution reserves the right to regulate an election to the States so for the Federal government to discriminate against only certain limited states, there is a high burden it needs to prove.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:07 am
by AZGrizFan
dbackjon wrote:Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
The destruction of America began with the upholding of Obamacare by those 7 yokels.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:08 am
by BDKJMU
AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
The destruction of America began with the upholding of Obamacare by those 7 yokels.
In that case was actually 5 yokels....

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:10 am
by Ibanez
dbackjon wrote:Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.
This is good. It's removing the discrimination towards counties and states that were forced (and rightfully so) to end discrimination at the polls. It isn't needed any more, especially since the data is 40+ years old.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:16 am
by BDKJMU
Obama: Supreme Court Decision a 'Setback,' Says He's 'Deeply Disappointed'
http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama ... 37849.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Translation: "Because we can no longer place additional, unfair burdens on entire red states, and select red localities in other states, I am deeply disappointed."

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:19 am
by houndawg
BDKJMU wrote:Obama: Supreme Court Decision a 'Setback,' Says He's 'Deeply Disappointed'
http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama ... 37849.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Translation: "Because we can no longer place additional, unfair burdens on parasitic red states, and select red localities in other states, I am deeply disappointed."
FIFY

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:28 am
by AZGrizFan
BDKJMU wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The destruction of America began with the upholding of Obamacare by those 7 yokels.
In that case was actually 5 yokels....
I blame them all.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:34 am
by houndawg
AZGrizFan wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
In that case was actually 5 yokels....
I blame them all.

I'm coming to the opinion that Congress should be drafted out of a phone book, serve three years at minimum wage, and then sent packing.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:46 am
by BDKJMU
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Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:01 pm
by AZGrizFan
houndawg wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: I blame them all.

I'm coming to the opinion that Congress should be drafted out of a phone book, serve three years at minimum wage, and then sent packing.
Three years at MAXIMUM. :nod: :nod:

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:10 pm
by Ivytalk
dbackjon wrote:Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.
You're just a gay Chris Matthews. :roll:

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:11 pm
by ASUMountaineer
tribe_pride wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.
Can I ask you what specifically you found wrong with this ruling and not conclusions on how you think things will result from the ruling?

The only part that was ruled unconstitutional is the part that said a formula of how things were in the early 1970s must be used to determine which jurisdictions need DOJ approval.

Remember that the Constitution reserves the right to regulate an election to the States so for the Federal government to discriminate against only certain limited states, there is a high burden it needs to prove.
This should be good...but, you'll probably be waiting a while.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:12 pm
by Ivytalk
houndawg wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: I blame them all.

I'm coming to the opinion that Congress should be drafted out of a phone book, serve three years at minimum wage, and then sent packing.
I thought you were too old to "come" for anything. :coffee:

But it's a fair sentiment. :lol:

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:25 pm
by kalm
dbackjon wrote:Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.
Hey...those are my boys you're talking about there...just ask Ganny. :mrgreen:

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:33 pm
by dbackjon
BDKJMU wrote:A sad day to people like you who want some states and localities to be discriminated against with additional arbitrary and capricious burdens that most localities and states don't have to deal with.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06 ... t-decision" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


if you had a clue, you'd no that it is still needed, because the old power is still entrenched. A few examples:

Ginsburg's dissent also rattled off these eight examples of race-based voter discrimination in recent history:
◾"In 1995, Mississippi sought to reenact a dual voter registration system, 'which was initially enacted in 1892 to disenfranchise Black voters,' and for that reason was struck down by a federal court in 1987."

◾"Following the 2000 Census, the City of Albany, Georgia, proposed a redistricting plan that DOJ found to be 'designed with the purpose to limit and retrogress the increased black voting strength…in the city as a whole.'"

◾"In 2001, the mayor and all-white five-member Board of Aldermen of Kilmichael, Mississippi, abruptly canceled the town's election after 'an unprecedented number' of AfricanAmerican candidates announced they were running for office. DOJ required an election, and the town elected its first black mayor and three black aldermen."

◾"In 2006, the court found that Texas' attempt to redraw a congressional district to reduce the strength of Latino voters bore 'the mark of intentional discrimination that could give rise to an equal protection violation,' and ordered the district redrawn in compliance with the VRA…In response, Texas sought to undermine this Court's order by curtailing early voting in the district, but was blocked by an action to enforce the §5 pre-clearance requirement."

◾"In 2003, after African-Americans won a majority of the seats on the school board for the first time in history, Charleston County, South Carolina, proposed an at-large voting mechanism for the board. The proposal, made without consulting any of the African-American members of the school board, was found to be an 'exact replica' of an earlier voting scheme that, a federal court had determined, violated the VRA…DOJ invoked §5 to block the proposal."

◾"In 1993, the City of Millen, Georgia, proposed to delay the election in a majority-black district by two years, leaving that district without representation on the city council while the neighboring majority white district would have three representatives…DOJ blocked the proposal. The county then sought to move a polling place from a predominantly black neighborhood in the city to an inaccessible location in a predominantly white neighborhood outside city limits."

◾"In 2004, Waller County, Texas, threatened to prosecute two black students after they announced their intention to run for office. The county then attempted to reduce the avail ability of early voting in that election at polling places near a historically black university."

◾"In 1990, Dallas County, Alabama, whose county seat is the City of Selma, sought to purge its voter rolls of many black voters. DOJ rejected the purge as discriminatory, noting that it would have disqualified many citizens from voting 'simply because they failed to pick up or return a voter update form, when there was no valid requirement that they do so.'"

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:35 pm
by dbackjon
tribe_pride wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.
Can I ask you what specifically you found wrong with this ruling and not conclusions on how you think things will result from the ruling?

The only part that was ruled unconstitutional is the part that said a formula of how things were in the early 1970s must be used to determine which jurisdictions need DOJ approval.

Remember that the Constitution reserves the right to regulate an election to the States so for the Federal government to discriminate against only certain limited states, there is a high burden it needs to prove.

See further post with examples of why it is still needed. Does it need updating? Probably. But the burden should be on the offending jurisdictions to prove that they have reformed. Which many will fail

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:37 pm
by Ibanez
dbackjon wrote:
tribe_pride wrote:
Can I ask you what specifically you found wrong with this ruling and not conclusions on how you think things will result from the ruling?

The only part that was ruled unconstitutional is the part that said a formula of how things were in the early 1970s must be used to determine which jurisdictions need DOJ approval.

Remember that the Constitution reserves the right to regulate an election to the States so for the Federal government to discriminate against only certain limited states, there is a high burden it needs to prove.

See further post with examples of why it is still needed. Does it need updating? Probably. But the burden should be on the offending jurisdictions to prove that they have reformed. Which many will fail
I think you have Sections 4 and 5 confused. The SC wants Congress to fix Section 5.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:37 pm
by dbackjon
Ibanez wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Sad day in American History

The Destruction of America by Alito/Scalia/Thomas continues.
This is good. It's removing the discrimination towards counties and states that were forced (and rightfully so) to end discrimination at the polls. It isn't needed any more, especially since the data is 40+ years old.

It is still needed.

If anything, it should have been more broadly applied.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:39 pm
by Ibanez
dbackjon wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:A sad day to people like you who want some states and localities to be discriminated against with additional arbitrary and capricious burdens that most localities and states don't have to deal with.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06 ... t-decision" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


if you had a clue, you'd no that it is still needed, because the old power is still entrenched. A few examples:

Ginsburg's dissent also rattled off these eight examples of race-based voter discrimination in recent history:
◾"In 1995, Mississippi sought to reenact a dual voter registration system, 'which was initially enacted in 1892 to disenfranchise Black voters,' and for that reason was struck down by a federal court in 1987."

◾"Following the 2000 Census, the City of Albany, Georgia, proposed a redistricting plan that DOJ found to be 'designed with the purpose to limit and retrogress the increased black voting strength…in the city as a whole.'"

◾"In 2001, the mayor and all-white five-member Board of Aldermen of Kilmichael, Mississippi, abruptly canceled the town's election after 'an unprecedented number' of AfricanAmerican candidates announced they were running for office. DOJ required an election, and the town elected its first black mayor and three black aldermen."

◾"In 2006, the court found that Texas' attempt to redraw a congressional district to reduce the strength of Latino voters bore 'the mark of intentional discrimination that could give rise to an equal protection violation,' and ordered the district redrawn in compliance with the VRA…In response, Texas sought to undermine this Court's order by curtailing early voting in the district, but was blocked by an action to enforce the §5 pre-clearance requirement."

◾"In 2003, after African-Americans won a majority of the seats on the school board for the first time in history, Charleston County, South Carolina, proposed an at-large voting mechanism for the board. The proposal, made without consulting any of the African-American members of the school board, was found to be an 'exact replica' of an earlier voting scheme that, a federal court had determined, violated the VRA…DOJ invoked §5 to block the proposal."

◾"In 1993, the City of Millen, Georgia, proposed to delay the election in a majority-black district by two years, leaving that district without representation on the city council while the neighboring majority white district would have three representatives…DOJ blocked the proposal. The county then sought to move a polling place from a predominantly black neighborhood in the city to an inaccessible location in a predominantly white neighborhood outside city limits."

◾"In 2004, Waller County, Texas, threatened to prosecute two black students after they announced their intention to run for office. The county then attempted to reduce the avail ability of early voting in that election at polling places near a historically black university."

◾"In 1990, Dallas County, Alabama, whose county seat is the City of Selma, sought to purge its voter rolls of many black voters. DOJ rejected the purge as discriminatory, noting that it would have disqualified many citizens from voting 'simply because they failed to pick up or return a voter update form, when there was no valid requirement that they do so.'"
How the hell is Chicago not listed? If anyone city fucks around with voting more than others, it's Chicago.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:53 pm
by GrizFanStuckInUtah
Ibanez wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06 ... t-decision" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


if you had a clue, you'd no that it is still needed, because the old power is still entrenched. A few examples:

Ginsburg's dissent also rattled off these eight examples of race-based voter discrimination in recent history:
◾"In 1995, Mississippi sought to reenact a dual voter registration system, 'which was initially enacted in 1892 to disenfranchise Black voters,' and for that reason was struck down by a federal court in 1987."

◾"Following the 2000 Census, the City of Albany, Georgia, proposed a redistricting plan that DOJ found to be 'designed with the purpose to limit and retrogress the increased black voting strength…in the city as a whole.'"

◾"In 2001, the mayor and all-white five-member Board of Aldermen of Kilmichael, Mississippi, abruptly canceled the town's election after 'an unprecedented number' of AfricanAmerican candidates announced they were running for office. DOJ required an election, and the town elected its first black mayor and three black aldermen."

◾"In 2006, the court found that Texas' attempt to redraw a congressional district to reduce the strength of Latino voters bore 'the mark of intentional discrimination that could give rise to an equal protection violation,' and ordered the district redrawn in compliance with the VRA…In response, Texas sought to undermine this Court's order by curtailing early voting in the district, but was blocked by an action to enforce the §5 pre-clearance requirement."

◾"In 2003, after African-Americans won a majority of the seats on the school board for the first time in history, Charleston County, South Carolina, proposed an at-large voting mechanism for the board. The proposal, made without consulting any of the African-American members of the school board, was found to be an 'exact replica' of an earlier voting scheme that, a federal court had determined, violated the VRA…DOJ invoked §5 to block the proposal."

◾"In 1993, the City of Millen, Georgia, proposed to delay the election in a majority-black district by two years, leaving that district without representation on the city council while the neighboring majority white district would have three representatives…DOJ blocked the proposal. The county then sought to move a polling place from a predominantly black neighborhood in the city to an inaccessible location in a predominantly white neighborhood outside city limits."

◾"In 2004, Waller County, Texas, threatened to prosecute two black students after they announced their intention to run for office. The county then attempted to reduce the avail ability of early voting in that election at polling places near a historically black university."

◾"In 1990, Dallas County, Alabama, whose county seat is the City of Selma, sought to purge its voter rolls of many black voters. DOJ rejected the purge as discriminatory, noting that it would have disqualified many citizens from voting 'simply because they failed to pick up or return a voter update form, when there was no valid requirement that they do so.'"
How the hell is Chicago not listed? If anyone city fucks around with voting more than others, it's Chicago.
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Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:54 pm
by BDKJMU
Ibanez wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/06 ... t-decision" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


if you had a clue, you'd no that it is still needed, because the old power is still entrenched. A few examples:

Ginsburg's dissent also rattled off these eight examples of race-based voter discrimination in recent history:
◾"In 1995, Mississippi sought to reenact a dual voter registration system, 'which was initially enacted in 1892 to disenfranchise Black voters,' and for that reason was struck down by a federal court in 1987."

◾"Following the 2000 Census, the City of Albany, Georgia, proposed a redistricting plan that DOJ found to be 'designed with the purpose to limit and retrogress the increased black voting strength…in the city as a whole.'"

◾"In 2001, the mayor and all-white five-member Board of Aldermen of Kilmichael, Mississippi, abruptly canceled the town's election after 'an unprecedented number' of AfricanAmerican candidates announced they were running for office. DOJ required an election, and the town elected its first black mayor and three black aldermen."

◾"In 2006, the court found that Texas' attempt to redraw a congressional district to reduce the strength of Latino voters bore 'the mark of intentional discrimination that could give rise to an equal protection violation,' and ordered the district redrawn in compliance with the VRA…In response, Texas sought to undermine this Court's order by curtailing early voting in the district, but was blocked by an action to enforce the §5 pre-clearance requirement."

◾"In 2003, after African-Americans won a majority of the seats on the school board for the first time in history, Charleston County, South Carolina, proposed an at-large voting mechanism for the board. The proposal, made without consulting any of the African-American members of the school board, was found to be an 'exact replica' of an earlier voting scheme that, a federal court had determined, violated the VRA…DOJ invoked §5 to block the proposal."

◾"In 1993, the City of Millen, Georgia, proposed to delay the election in a majority-black district by two years, leaving that district without representation on the city council while the neighboring majority white district would have three representatives…DOJ blocked the proposal. The county then sought to move a polling place from a predominantly black neighborhood in the city to an inaccessible location in a predominantly white neighborhood outside city limits."

◾"In 2004, Waller County, Texas, threatened to prosecute two black students after they announced their intention to run for office. The county then attempted to reduce the avail ability of early voting in that election at polling places near a historically black university."

◾"In 1990, Dallas County, Alabama, whose county seat is the City of Selma, sought to purge its voter rolls of many black voters. DOJ rejected the purge as discriminatory, noting that it would have disqualified many citizens from voting 'simply because they failed to pick up or return a voter update form, when there was no valid requirement that they do so.'"
How the hell is Chicago not listed? If anyone city **** around with voting more than others, it's Chicago.
Exactly. Any list that doesn't include Chicago AND Philadelphia loses all credibility. DBack's list goes back nearly 20 years to cherry pick a few examples out of thousands of small jurisdictions in the South. It should be applied equally to ALL jurisdictions and states, or none at all.

Re: SCOTUS strikes down Sec 4 of Voting Rights Act

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:01 pm
by Ibanez
BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
How the hell is Chicago not listed? If anyone city **** around with voting more than others, it's Chicago.
Exactly. Any list that doesn't include Chicago AND Philadelphia loses all credibility. DBack's list goes back nearly 20 years to cherry pick a few examples out of thousands of small jurisdictions in the South. It should be applied equally to ALL jurisdictions and states, or none at all.
The South, historically, has a bad rap. But the South isn't alone in it's racial problems. Some of the most racist people i've ever met were from Upstate New York.