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Gun advocates on CS.com have made some really compelling arguments around protecting gun rights since the Newtown deal. They've definitely swayed my opinion on the matter regarding the effectiveness of gun control.

But this talk radio guy (who got fired over his statements) poses an interesting question. Would background checks/increased regulation of gun registration be a greater tragedy than what the families of Newtown victims lost?

DAVIS: And here’s the other thing that drives me crazy. They trot out the victims. And I have something I want to say to the victims of Newtown, or any other shooting. I don’t care if it’s here in Minneapolis or anyplace else. Just because a bad thing happened to you doesn’t mean that you get to put a king in charge of my life. I’m sorry that you suffered a tragedy, but you know what? Deal with it, and don’t force me to lose my liberty, which is a greater tragedy than your loss. I’m sick and tired of seeing these victims trotted out, given rides on Air Force One, hauled into the Senate well, and everyone is just afraid — they’re terrified of these victims.

EMMER: Well they’re being used — they’re being used…

DAVIS: I would stand in front of them and tell them, ‘go to hell.’

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kalm wrote:Gun advocates on CS.com have made some really compelling arguments around protecting gun rights since the Newtown deal. They've definitely swayed my opinion on the matter regarding the effectiveness of gun control.

But this talk radio guy (who got fired over his statements) poses an interesting question. Would background checks/increased regulation of gun registration be a greater tragedy than what the families of Newtown victims lost?

DAVIS: And here’s the other thing that drives me crazy. They trot out the victims. And I have something I want to say to the victims of Newtown, or any other shooting. I don’t care if it’s here in Minneapolis or anyplace else. Just because a bad thing happened to you doesn’t mean that you get to put a king in charge of my life. I’m sorry that you suffered a tragedy, but you know what? Deal with it, and don’t force me to lose my liberty, which is a greater tragedy than your loss. I’m sick and tired of seeing these victims trotted out, given rides on Air Force One, hauled into the Senate well, and everyone is just afraid — they’re terrified of these victims.

EMMER: Well they’re being used — they’re being used…

DAVIS: I would stand in front of them and tell them, ‘go to hell.'

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They probably are already there, I'm sure they would rather be with their loved ones then meeting with politicians. We don't have to agree with the Newtown families, but the least we can do is listen. Telling them to go to hell is wrong, fuck that guy.

I've made my position very clear on this subject...but I'm also pretty sure I'm one of the few people here who can very clearly (and painfully) understand the Newtown families pain, since my oldest son was killed at age nine (24 years ago)...

I agree with the talk show guy up to the "go to hell" part...

I'd love to sit down with some Newtown parents for a talk...to share our common grief and try to understand our different points of view...

Col Hogan wrote:I've made my position very clear on this subject...but I'm also pretty sure I'm one of the few people here who can very clearly (and painfully) understand the Newtown families pain, since my oldest son was killed at age nine (24 years ago)...

I agree with the talk show guy up to the "go to hell" part...

I'd love to sit down with some Newtown parents for a talk...to share our common grief and try to understand our different points of view...

agreed. Just like the creation of the HLS dept was a much greater loss of liberty than any threat from terrorists flying planes into buildings.

BlueHen86 wrote:

kalm wrote:Gun advocates on CS.com have made some really compelling arguments around protecting gun rights since the Newtown deal. They've definitely swayed my opinion on the matter regarding the effectiveness of gun control.

But this talk radio guy (who got fired over his statements) poses an interesting question. Would background checks/increased regulation of gun registration be a greater tragedy than what the families of Newtown victims lost?



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They probably are already there, I'm sure they would rather be with their loved ones then meeting with politicians. We don't have to agree with the Newtown families, but the least we can do is listen. Telling them to go to hell is wrong, fuck that guy.

Really. That is THEIR CHOICE to go on the road with the politicians as their traveling sideshow...THEIR CHOICE, no one is forcing them to go.

Col Hogan wrote:I've made my position very clear on this subject...but I'm also pretty sure I'm one of the few people here who can very clearly (and painfully) understand the Newtown families pain, since my oldest son was killed at age nine (24 years ago)...

I agree with the talk show guy up to the "go to hell" part...

I'd love to sit down with some Newtown parents for a talk...to share our common grief and try to understand our different points of view...

Yeah I thought about you after I posted this and kinda regretted it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts...you've made some really good points on the subject in the past.

kalm wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:I've made my position very clear on this subject...but I'm also pretty sure I'm one of the few people here who can very clearly (and painfully) understand the Newtown families pain, since my oldest son was killed at age nine (24 years ago)...

I agree with the talk show guy up to the "go to hell" part...

I'd love to sit down with some Newtown parents for a talk...to share our common grief and try to understand our different points of view...

Yeah I thought about you after I posted this and kinda regretted it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts...you've made some really good points on the subject in the past.

Don't regret it...it's all part of life...

I admit I've thought about Peter a lot since Newtown...but that's good...

Col Hogan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Yeah I thought about you after I posted this and kinda regretted it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts...you've made some really good points on the subject in the past.

Don't regret it...it's all part of life...

I admit I've thought about Peter a lot since Newtown...but that's good...

grizzaholic wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:
They probably are already there, I'm sure they would rather be with their loved ones then meeting with politicians. We don't have to agree with the Newtown families, but the least we can do is listen. Telling them to go to hell is wrong, fuck that guy.

Really. That is THEIR CHOICE to go on the road with the politicians as their traveling sideshow...THEIR CHOICE, no one is forcing them to go.

That is still no reason to tell them to go to hell.

They likely wouldn't be making that choice if Newtown didn't happen, now they feel that they have to do something. I'm not going to fault them for that.

Col Hogan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Yeah I thought about you after I posted this and kinda regretted it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts...you've made some really good points on the subject in the past.

Don't regret it...it's all part of life...

I admit I've thought about Peter a lot since Newtown...but that's good...

I didn't know about your boy, thanks for sharing the story. Very sorry to hear.

Would background checks/increased regulation of gun registration be a greater tragedy than what the families of Newtown victims lost?

I would put it in slightly different terms. I would say that the fact that much of our society reacts to something like Newtown by clamoring for a reduction in liberty in order to achieve greater security is a greater tragedy than the incident itself was.

It's that mentality that holds that if something bad happens...if a small risk is realized...that is prima facie evidence that something has to be done...laws have to be changed, etc....to reduce the chance that it will happen again regardless of what that means in terms of restricting peoples' liberty or making their exercise of liberty more difficult.

The development of the "keep us safe no matter what" mentality among a growing proportion of those in the population US citizens is indeed a tragedy greater than a single incident such as the Newtown incident.

BlueHen86 wrote:

Col Hogan wrote: Don't regret it...it's all part of life...

I admit I've thought about Peter a lot since Newtown...but that's good...

I didn't know about your boy, thanks for sharing the story. Very sorry to hear.

Same here. Very sorry to hear, indeed.

kalm wrote:Gun advocates on CS.com have made some really compelling arguments around protecting gun rights since the Newtown deal. They've definitely swayed my opinion on the matter regarding the effectiveness of gun control.

But this talk radio guy (who got fired over his statements) poses an interesting question. Would background checks/increased regulation of gun registration be a greater tragedy than what the families of Newtown victims lost?

DAVIS: And here’s the other thing that drives me crazy. They trot out the victims. And I have something I want to say to the victims of Newtown, or any other shooting. I don’t care if it’s here in Minneapolis or anyplace else. Just because a bad thing happened to you doesn’t mean that you get to put a king in charge of my life. I’m sorry that you suffered a tragedy, but you know what? Deal with it, and don’t force me to lose my liberty, which is a greater tragedy than your loss. I’m sick and tired of seeing these victims trotted out, given rides on Air Force One, hauled into the Senate well, and everyone is just afraid — they’re terrified of these victims.

EMMER: Well they’re being used — they’re being used…

DAVIS: I would stand in front of them and tell them, ‘go to hell.’

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LMFFAO at all the neocompassionate gun fucks. With rare exception, everyone of em would tell that family to go to hell - right to their face.

You're an easily-led automaton. Don't let these drones fool you -they don't give a shit about anything or anyone but themselves and their sexual thirst for guns, knives and explosives.

Can you imagine one of em at the dinner table with a Newton family!? .....taking the largest piece of meat and not waiting until everyone is served before plunging into their meal, drinking scotch and beer at the dinner table, kicking the dog because he aint the same breed as their duck hunting dog, bulge in their already massive whale belly waistlines from the gun they're cowardly concealing and brought not because they needed to but because it's their right godammit to carry a concealed weapon even into the home of a grieving family, unfolding a cum-stained copy of boiler plate NRA talking points on top of the potatoes, putting on their douchebag readers and callously attempting to convince them they're better off with absolutely no gun control whatsoever with pretty much this argument:

"We understand your pain, but it's important for everyone to have access to AK-47's. Its their right."

After the family recovers from their outrage and asks them to leave immediately, they ask if they can finish their drinks and use the bathroom. In the bathroom, they proceed to take the nastiest, smelliest motherfucking shit an aging conk douchebag with a diet solely composed of red meat, Lipitor, potatoes, bacon, tobacco, Alka Seltzer, bud light and scotch can produce. They're in there for an hour listening to the police scanner on their phones, lubing their Glocks and jacking off to a copy of Soldier of Fortune they snuck in their pant leg to read in case they had to take a shit - which is all the fucking time. They hear the crying and whimpering of family members through the door and amazingly through the stench and they feel they've made a breakthrough, so without their permission, they leave a stack of NRA brochures on the bathroom vanity and exit without flushing, turning on the fan or washing their hands - but not before taking a pic of the disaster they left in the toilet for the enjoyment of the guys in their gun club.

D1B wrote:

kalm wrote:Gun advocates on CS.com have made some really compelling arguments around protecting gun rights since the Newtown deal. They've definitely swayed my opinion on the matter regarding the effectiveness of gun control.

But this talk radio guy (who got fired over his statements) poses an interesting question. Would background checks/increased regulation of gun registration be a greater tragedy than what the families of Newtown victims lost?



http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/18/rightwin ... o-to-hell/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LMFFAO at all the neocompassionate gun fucks. With rare exception, everyone of em would tell that family to go to hell - right to their face.

You're an easily-led automaton. Don't let these drones fool you -they don't give a shit about anything or anyone but themselves and their sexual thirst for guns, knives and explosives.

Can you imagine one of em at the dinner table with a Newton family!? .....taking the largest piece of meat and not waiting until everyone is served before plunging into their meal, drinking scotch and beer at the dinner table, kicking the dog because he aint the same breed as their duck hunting dog, bulge in their already massive whale belly waistlines from the gun they're cowardly concealing and brought not because they needed to but because it's their right godammit to carry a concealed weapon even into the home of a grieving family, unfolding a cum-stained copy of boiler plate NRA talking points on top of the potatoes, putting on their douchebag readers and callously attempting to convince them they're better off with absolutely no gun control whatsoever with pretty much this argument:

"We understand your pain, but it's important for everyone to have access to AK-47's. Its their right."

After the family recovers from their outrage and asks them to leave immediately, they ask if they can finish their drinks and use the bathroom. In the bathroom, they proceed to take the nastiest, smelliest motherfucking shit an aging conk douchebag with a diet solely composed of red meat, Lipitor, potatoes, bacon, tobacco, Alka Seltzer, bud light and scotch can produce. They're in there for an hour listening to the police scanner on their phones, lubing their Glocks and jacking off to a copy of Soldier of Fortune they snuck in their pant leg to read in case they had to take a shit - which is all the fucking time. They hear the crying and whimpering of family members through the door and amazingly through the stench and they feel they've made a breakthrough, so without their permission, they leave a stack of NRA brochures on the bathroom vanity and exit without flushing, turning on the fan or washing their hands - but not before taking a pic of the disaster they left in the toilet for the enjoyment of the guys in their gun club.

Thanks!

kalm wrote:Gun advocates on CS.com have made some really compelling arguments around protecting gun rights since the Newtown deal. They've definitely swayed my opinion on the matter regarding the effectiveness of gun control.

But this talk radio guy (who got fired over his statements) poses an interesting question. Would background checks/increased regulation of gun registration be a greater tragedy than what the families of Newtown victims lost?

The question you ask is a bit odd - I'm not sure one really has anything to do with the other. Background checks/increased regulation of guns would have had no impact on the Newtown tragedy. We could've had 100% background checks and that tragedy would've still happened. The only thing that ties those two things together are politics, and politics right now has no real momentum or concern to do the things that would need to be done to reduce the likliehood of something like Newtown. If we wanted to broach the idea of banning most guns (handguns included) that would be something that could address Newtown, but there's no appetite for anyone to bring that topic up in the political sphere.

GannonFan wrote:

kalm wrote:Gun advocates on CS.com have made some really compelling arguments around protecting gun rights since the Newtown deal. They've definitely swayed my opinion on the matter regarding the effectiveness of gun control.

But this talk radio guy (who got fired over his statements) poses an interesting question. Would background checks/increased regulation of gun registration be a greater tragedy than what the families of Newtown victims lost?

The question you ask is a bit odd - I'm not sure one really has anything to do with the other. Background checks/increased regulation of guns would have had no impact on the Newtown tragedy. We could've had 100% background checks and that tragedy would've still happened. The only thing that ties those two things together are politics, and politics right now has no real momentum or concern to do the things that would need to be done to reduce the likliehood of something like Newtown. If we wanted to broach the idea of banning most guns (handguns included) that would be something that could address Newtown, but there's no appetite for anyone to bring that topic up in the political sphere.

You're right...Mods, please move this to the political boa....wait?

The gov't needs to stop putting band aids on problems and make fewer kneejerk reactions. With 9/11 we got the Patriot Act and TSA so we can frisk everyone from age 2 to 95. The Saudis blow up our buildings so we attack Iraq and Afghanistan. Gun tragedy? Introduce legislation to begin banning weapons for law abiding citizens because those intent on breaking the law will follow a background check process.

Maybe they could dig a little deeper and start asking "why" on occasion. We could probably cut gun violence dramatically by addressing the need for proper mental health in this country. Let the Afghans/Shiites/Sunnis settle their own conflicts - they've had tribal fighting for thousands of years, and a few hundred thousand foreign occupiers with no well defined goal isn't likely to stop it.

ASUG8 wrote:The gov't needs to stop putting band aids on problems and make fewer kneejerk reactions. With 9/11 we got the Patriot Act and TSA so we can frisk everyone from age 2 to 95. The Saudis blow up our buildings so we attack Iraq and Afghanistan. Gun tragedy? Introduce legislation to begin banning weapons for law abiding citizens because those intent on breaking the law will follow a background check process.

Maybe they could dig a little deeper and start asking "why" on occasion. We could probably cut gun violence dramatically by addressing the need for proper mental health in this country. Let the Afghans/Shiites/Sunnis settle their own conflicts - they've had tribal fighting for thousands of years, and a few hundred thousand foreign occupiers with no well defined goal isn't likely to stop it.

Great post.

D1B wrote: In the bathroom, they proceed to take the nastiest, smelliest motherfucking shit an aging conk douchebag with a diet solely composed of red meat, Lipitor, potatoes, bacon, tobacco, Alka Seltzer, bud light and scotch can produce.

This is BS.
An "aging conk douchebag" does not necessarily take Lipitor and Alka Seltzer. An "aged conk douchebag" does. Conk douchebags in the 55-60 year old range are in transition period. I know because I am a 51 year old conk douchebag that is not yet on Lipitor and Alka Seltzer.

You nailed the rest of it though.

That guy is a douchebag if he would really tell them to go to hell but he is basically right.

If I was in congress and had to explain to one of the Newtown parents why I opposed the gun bill, it wouldn't be that difficult. I'm a non-drinker who advocates people medicate stress and anxiety with exercise rather than chemicals, but you won't find me running around trying to get more restrictions and laws passed on alcohol. And that's considering that (at least if you don't live in an inner city) you are more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than by a gun in a homicide.

kalm wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
The question you ask is a bit odd - I'm not sure one really has anything to do with the other. Background checks/increased regulation of guns would have had no impact on the Newtown tragedy. We could've had 100% background checks and that tragedy would've still happened. The only thing that ties those two things together are politics, and politics right now has no real momentum or concern to do the things that would need to be done to reduce the likliehood of something like Newtown. If we wanted to broach the idea of banning most guns (handguns included) that would be something that could address Newtown, but there's no appetite for anyone to bring that topic up in the political sphere.

You're right...Mods, please move this to the political boa....wait?

Never said it didn't belong here, I was just questioning the premise. Politics are not always about solving an issue, and in this case, trying to compare the Newtown tragedy with increased background checks is an example of that. The increased background checks wouldn't have prevented Newtown so weighing the two against each other doesn't get to the point of trying to solve the problem. But it does make for scoring political points, hence why it was done.

Pwns wrote: If I was in congress and had to explain to one of the Newtown parents why I opposed the gun bill, it wouldn't be that difficult.

Pretend I'm a grieving parent whose kid got turned into swiss cheese by another kid with access to a legally obtained arsenal of guns, almost all of which are ridiculously fucking dangerous and unnecessary, except for satisfying the psychosexual urges of gun perverts and chronic paranoiacs.

How would you explain things?

D1B wrote:

Pwns wrote: If I was in congress and had to explain to one of the Newtown parents why I opposed the gun bill, it wouldn't be that difficult.

Pretend I'm a grieving parent whose kid got turned into swiss cheese by another kid with access to a legally obtained arsenal of guns, almost all of which are ridiculously fucking dangerous and unnecessary, except for satisfying the psychosexual urges of gun perverts and chronic paranoiacs.

How would you explain things?

Gods plan

Ibanez wrote:

D1B wrote:
Pretend I'm a grieving parent whose kid got turned into swiss cheese by another kid with access to a legally obtained arsenal of guns, almost all of which are ridiculously fucking dangerous and unnecessary, except for satisfying the psychosexual urges of gun perverts and chronic paranoiacs.

How would you explain things?

Gods plan

Get the fuck out of here you clown, I'm waiting for Pwns or Hogan or Zero to respond.

D1B wrote:

Ibanez wrote: Gods plan

Get the fuck out of here you clown, I'm waiting for Pwns or Hogan or Zero to respond.

You mean, the senseless murder and agony inflicted by shooters and bombers ISN'T God's divine plan?