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Seriously?

I'll go ahead and fill the rest of everyone else here.I guess you are too emotional on this subject to link everyone in on the story. Very Travis like.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u30m8U6VP3E[/youtube]

andy7171 wrote:I'll go ahead and fill the rest of everyone else here.I guess you are too emotional on this subject to link everyone in on the story. Very Travis like.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u30m8U6VP3E[/youtube]

Watching that video really made me want to play with a road flare.

mainejeff wrote:Seriously?

Don't make Andy do all the work.

I believe this is pretty common in the Northeast particularly. Population density, and municipal planning that spans multiple centuries dictates that you're going to have things run under or much closer to things than you would in less developed, less populous, and far newer areas.

Not uncommon at all.
A client of mine, a 400 acre senior living facility, has a 14-inch pipeline going right through the middle of the property. That same pipeline is on the edge of my subdivision and then goes right through the middle of a large theme park.
This pipeline originates in Texas. The portion I am talking about is the branch in Virginia heading east.

This Arkansas subdivision looks quite new.

mainejeff wrote:This Arkansas subdivision looks quite new.

Even then, though, it still shouldn't be a problem, as long as no house is actually over the pipeline itself. It's only a 14" pipe so it's not all that big on the grand scheme of things. Most places have requirements for clearing of trees and other things around a buried fuel pipeline so that you can view them (or the path of them) from the air, but even then you're only talking several feet in either direction. So it's very possible and likely that many of these run very close to houses, new or old. And really, you very rarely hear of oil pipelines breaking, which is pretty impressive considering the age of many of the pipelines we have. These aren't like water lines - you can probably google water main breaks and there are a couple every day in the US. An oil pipeline like this breaks very rarely.

GannonFan wrote:

mainejeff wrote:This Arkansas subdivision looks quite new.

Even then, though, it still shouldn't be a problem, as long as no house is actually over the pipeline itself. It's only a 14" pipe so it's not all that big on the grand scheme of things. Most places have requirements for clearing of trees and other things around a buried fuel pipeline so that you can view them (or the path of them) from the air, but even then you're only talking several feet in either direction. So it's very possible and likely that many of these run very close to houses, new or old. And really, you very rarely hear of oil pipelines breaking, which is pretty impressive considering the age of many of the pipelines we have. These aren't like water lines - you can probably google water main breaks and there are a couple every day in the US. An oil pipeline like this breaks very rarely.

Water pipelines are generally PVC (plastic) or concrete-lined ductile iron (soft metal). The petroleum pipelines are generally steel (much stronger). The one here requires a minimum 30 foot wide exclusive easement (meaning nothing running parallel with it within 15 feet of either side. It's OK to cross over or under it with other utilities. You can pave over the pipeline as long as there is at least 42 inches of cover. I had to design a concrete pad between the pipe and the asphalt surface when it was less than 42 inches.

The company that owns and operates the line (The Colonial Pipeline Company) flies over the line every day looking for anyone working in their easement or other potential threats/problems.

CAA Flagship wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Even then, though, it still shouldn't be a problem, as long as no house is actually over the pipeline itself. It's only a 14" pipe so it's not all that big on the grand scheme of things. Most places have requirements for clearing of trees and other things around a buried fuel pipeline so that you can view them (or the path of them) from the air, but even then you're only talking several feet in either direction. So it's very possible and likely that many of these run very close to houses, new or old. And really, you very rarely hear of oil pipelines breaking, which is pretty impressive considering the age of many of the pipelines we have. These aren't like water lines - you can probably google water main breaks and there are a couple every day in the US. An oil pipeline like this breaks very rarely.

Water pipelines are generally PVC (plastic) or concrete-lined ductile iron (soft metal). The petroleum pipelines are generally steel (much stronger). The one here requires a minimum 30 foot wide exclusive easement (meaning nothing running parallel with it within 15 feet of either side. It's OK to cross over or under it with other utilities. You can pave over the pipeline as long as there is at least 42 inches of cover. I had to design a concrete pad between the pipe and the asphalt surface when it was less than 42 inches.

The company that owns and operates the line (The Colonial Pipeline Company) flies over the line every day looking for anyone working in their easement or other potential threats/problems.

The easement sounds about right even for a place like PA - 15 feet on either side is not a whole lot when you think about it.

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All over America.

Both refined and unrefined products. As someone else noted, the east coast is a web of pipelines. The ball diamonds I played prep ball have a jet fuel pipeline (military) under them...eventually passing under the backyard of a best friend.

There's a 14" high pressure gas line passing ~24' behind my residence.

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You die, when you die.

This is going to make it more of a pain in the ass for Keystone to ever get approved. Did I hear this morning that the oil companies have some kind of loophole where they're not responsible for clean up of these spills? Unbelievable.

bluehenbillk wrote:This is going to make it more of a pain in the ass for Keystone to ever get approved. Did I hear this morning that the oil companies have some kind of loophole where they're not responsible for clean up of these spills? Unbelievable.

They're exempt from having to pay into the fund that is used from cleanups since it wasn't technically oil that spilled but an unrefined precursor. But they are clearly not exempt from the liability that comes from this spill. They'll pay millions for this.

GannonFan wrote:

bluehenbillk wrote:This is going to make it more of a pain in the ass for Keystone to ever get approved. Did I hear this morning that the oil companies have some kind of loophole where they're not responsible for clean up of these spills? Unbelievable.

They're exempt from having to pay into the fund that is used from cleanups since it wasn't technically oil that spilled but an unrefined precursor. But they are clearly not exempt from the liability that comes from this spill. They'll pay millions for this.

Spit in the ocean. They'll pay 10 times as many millions in record bonuses at the end of the year.


They've closed the surrounding airspace too.

houndawg wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
They're exempt from having to pay into the fund that is used from cleanups since it wasn't technically oil that spilled but an unrefined precursor. But they are clearly not exempt from the liability that comes from this spill. They'll pay millions for this.

Spit in the ocean. They'll pay 10 times as many millions in record bonuses at the end of the year.


They've closed the surrounding airspace too.

I'm not terribly worried - those homes didn't look terribly poor so I'm sure those homeowners will find some pretty decent lawyers. Heck, considering the deep pockets, like you reference, lawyers will be crawling out of the woodwork to handle these cases. Exxon has already said they are going to pay for all of the cleanup as well, and with the state and the Feds and everyone else getting into the mix, they'll cough up a fortune. Yes, they'll still have fortunes more to pay the bonuses you allude to, but plenty of people will make out fine in this case.

Only solace that I take in all of this is that it happened in a RED state...........

mainejeff wrote:Only solace that I take in all of this is that it happened in a RED state...........

You are so full of hate. What a sad life.

Ibanez wrote:

mainejeff wrote:Only solace that I take in all of this is that it happened in a RED state...........

You are so full of hate. What a sad life.

If you'd have been taking someone's dick up your butt for years, you'd be full of hate, too...and full of sh1t.

Cap'n does the anal beads thing...that's only slightly different (dependent upon the size of the beads).

Cluck U wrote:

Ibanez wrote: You are so full of hate. What a sad life.

If you'd have been taking someone's dick up your butt for years, you'd be full of hate, too...and full of sh1t.

Cap'n does the anal beads thing...that's only slightly different (dependent upon the size of the beads).

Cluck U wrote:

Ibanez wrote: You are so full of hate. What a sad life.

If you'd have been taking someone's dick up your butt for years, you'd be full of hate, too...and full of sh1t.

Cap'n does the anal beads thing...that's only slightly different (dependent upon the size of the beads).

You have a point...

Cluck U wrote: Cap'n does the anal beads thing...that's only slightly different (dependent upon the size of the beads).

Two sets.....

ASUG8 wrote:

Cluck U wrote: Cap'n does the anal beads thing...that's only slightly different (dependent upon the size of the beads).

Two sets.....

Dem beads are fuzzy.