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Saw the following comment in the "Abortion" thread and want to respond but since that changes the subject I'm starting a new thread:

Beardown wrote: I also believe the only way to limit abortion is to provide better economic situation for mothers. That means trying to eliminate poverty. Trying to eliminate poverty is NOT on the platform for the GOP, and I don't necessarily agree with EVERY thing the dems vote on to reduce poverty. However, at least its on their platform.

Actually trying to eliminate poverty IS discussed in the 2012 GOP platform. It's just that the GOP believes in doing it in the manner expressed by this language from that platform:

The Republican-led welfare reforms enacted in 1996 marked a revolution in government’s approach to poverty. They changed the standard for policy success from the amount of income transferred to the poor to the number of poor who moved from welfare to economic independence.

And I agree with that basic paradigm expressed. One thing for sure is that I don't think there should be any income transfer to the poor. There should be no programs that represent taking tax money from some people in order to give things like food, medical care, and housing to others. No compelled charity.

The cliche about the Democratic Party approach creating a "culture of dependency" IS a cliche. But it's an accurate one. And besides that it's just wrong to be forcing some people to take care of other people. Charity should be a free choice. And people should not be viewed as having a "right" to have someone else provide for their basic needs if they can't do it for themselves..

"The white man will pay for it" seems to be the Dems constant mantra. How has that worked out? BTW, since America has donated God knows how many millions in foreign aid, why is there still hungry people in the nations that we are sending money to?

Dems are not pro-life, never have been, never will be and that is why poverty is still the stench that it is.

JohnStOnge wrote:Saw the following comment in the "Abortion" thread and want to respond but since that changes the subject I'm starting a new thread:

Beardown wrote: I also believe the only way to limit abortion is to provide better economic situation for mothers. That means trying to eliminate poverty. Trying to eliminate poverty is NOT on the platform for the GOP, and I don't necessarily agree with EVERY thing the dems vote on to reduce poverty. However, at least its on their platform.

Actually trying to eliminate poverty IS discussed in the 2012 GOP platform. It's just that the GOP believes in doing it in the manner expressed by this language from that platform:

The Republican-led welfare reforms enacted in 1996 marked a revolution in government’s approach to poverty. They changed the standard for policy success from the amount of income transferred to the poor to the number of poor who moved from welfare to economic independence.

And I agree with that basic paradigm expressed. One thing for sure is that I don't think there should be any income transfer to the poor. There should be no programs that represent taking tax money from some people in order to give things like food, medical care, and housing to others. No compelled charity.

The cliche about the Democratic Party approach creating a "culture of dependency" IS a cliche. But it's an accurate one. And besides that it's just wrong to be forcing some people to take care of other people. Charity should be a free choice. And people should not be viewed as having a "right" to have someone else provide for their basic needs if they can't do it for themselves..

I'm concerned about the dependency culture too. You show go find the statistics on poverty rates and how many of the poor moved from welfare to economic independence. It would be interesting to see how many success stories there are compared to welfare queens.

I'm in favor of workfare and believe that nothing should come for free. Of course the problem is the kids and what you do with them?

psychoCAT wrote:"The white man will pay for it" seems to be the Dems constant mantra. How has that worked out? BTW, since America has donated God knows how many millions in foreign aid, why is there still hungry people in the nations that we are sending money to?

Dems are not pro-life, never have been, never will be and that is why poverty is still the stench that it is.

Off his meds again!!!!

kalm wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:Saw the following comment in the "Abortion" thread and want to respond but since that changes the subject I'm starting a new thread:



Actually trying to eliminate poverty IS discussed in the 2012 GOP platform. It's just that the GOP believes in doing it in the manner expressed by this language from that platform:



And I agree with that basic paradigm expressed. One thing for sure is that I don't think there should be any income transfer to the poor. There should be no programs that represent taking tax money from some people in order to give things like food, medical care, and housing to others. No compelled charity.

The cliche about the Democratic Party approach creating a "culture of dependency" IS a cliche. But it's an accurate one. And besides that it's just wrong to be forcing some people to take care of other people. Charity should be a free choice. And people should not be viewed as having a "right" to have someone else provide for their basic needs if they can't do it for themselves..

I'm concerned about the dependency culture too. You show go find the statistics on poverty rates and how many of the poor moved from welfare to economic independence. It would be interesting to see how many success stories there are compared to welfare queens.

I'm in favor of workfare and believe that nothing should come for free. Of course the problem is the kids and what you do with them?

This is one case where welfare should be expanded. If they have kids put them in daycare and let the taxpayers pay for it while the parents work. The parents can either learn a skill so they can be gainfully employed or they can do work for the govt for their welfare check. I don't care if it is picking up trash in the park, putting books on the shelf at a library, or painting fire hydrants nobody should get paid for sitting on their ass doing nothing.

JohnStOnge wrote:Saw the following comment in the "Abortion" thread and want to respond but since that changes the subject I'm starting a new thread:

Beardown wrote: I also believe the only way to limit abortion is to provide better economic situation for mothers. That means trying to eliminate poverty. Trying to eliminate poverty is NOT on the platform for the GOP, and I don't necessarily agree with EVERY thing the dems vote on to reduce poverty. However, at least its on their platform.

Actually trying to eliminate poverty IS discussed in the 2012 GOP platform. It's just that the GOP believes in doing it in the manner expressed by this language from that platform:

The Republican-led welfare reforms enacted in 1996 marked a revolution in government’s approach to poverty. They changed the standard for policy success from the amount of income transferred to the poor to the number of poor who moved from welfare to economic independence.

And I agree with that basic paradigm expressed. One thing for sure is that I don't think there should be any income transfer to the poor. There should be no programs that represent taking tax money from some people in order to give things like food, medical care, and housing to others. No compelled charity.

The cliche about the Democratic Party approach creating a "culture of dependency" IS a cliche. But it's an accurate one. And besides that it's just wrong to be forcing some people to take care of other people. Charity should be a free choice. And people should not be viewed as having a "right" to have someone else provide for their basic needs if they can't do it for themselves..

The Welfare/ Culture of Dependency is not just a poor minority problem its also a Rich White male problem. Just ask any defense contractor. ALL of them think the Government should give them a billion dollar contract. So YES its a damn problem that needs to be fixed. First close all non- US military bases. Second no aid to any countries at all. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mrklean wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:Saw the following comment in the "Abortion" thread and want to respond but since that changes the subject I'm starting a new thread:



Actually trying to eliminate poverty IS discussed in the 2012 GOP platform. It's just that the GOP believes in doing it in the manner expressed by this language from that platform:



And I agree with that basic paradigm expressed. One thing for sure is that I don't think there should be any income transfer to the poor. There should be no programs that represent taking tax money from some people in order to give things like food, medical care, and housing to others. No compelled charity.

The cliche about the Democratic Party approach creating a "culture of dependency" IS a cliche. But it's an accurate one. And besides that it's just wrong to be forcing some people to take care of other people. Charity should be a free choice. And people should not be viewed as having a "right" to have someone else provide for their basic needs if they can't do it for themselves..

The Welfare/ Culture of Dependency is not just a poor minority problem its also a Rich White male problem. Just ask any defense contractor. ALL of them think the Government should give them a billion dollar contract. So YES its a damn problem that needs to be fixed. First close all non- US military bases. Second no aid to any countries at all. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who mentioned minorities and race? Well, besides you, of course.

ASUMountaineer wrote:

mrklean wrote:
The Welfare/ Culture of Dependency is not just a poor minority problem its also a Rich White male problem. Just ask any defense contractor. ALL of them think the Government should give them a billion dollar contract. So YES its a damn problem that needs to be fixed. First close all non- US military bases. Second no aid to any countries at all. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who mentioned minorities and race? Well, besides you, of course.

kalm wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:
Who mentioned minorities and race? Well, besides you, of course.

I'll give you 9-9-9 reasons why that's just wrong!

HI54UNI wrote:

kalm wrote:
I'm concerned about the dependency culture too. You show go find the statistics on poverty rates and how many of the poor moved from welfare to economic independence. It would be interesting to see how many success stories there are compared to welfare queens.

I'm in favor of workfare and believe that nothing should come for free. Of course the problem is the kids and what you do with them?

This is one case where welfare should be expanded. If they have kids put them in daycare and let the taxpayers pay for it while the parents work. The parents can either learn a skill so they can be gainfully employed or they can do work for the govt for their welfare check. I don't care if it is picking up trash in the park, putting books on the shelf at a library, or painting fire hydrants nobody should get paid for sitting on their ass doing nothing.

mrklean wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:Saw the following comment in the "Abortion" thread and want to respond but since that changes the subject I'm starting a new thread:



Actually trying to eliminate poverty IS discussed in the 2012 GOP platform. It's just that the GOP believes in doing it in the manner expressed by this language from that platform:



And I agree with that basic paradigm expressed. One thing for sure is that I don't think there should be any income transfer to the poor. There should be no programs that represent taking tax money from some people in order to give things like food, medical care, and housing to others. No compelled charity.

The cliche about the Democratic Party approach creating a "culture of dependency" IS a cliche. But it's an accurate one. And besides that it's just wrong to be forcing some people to take care of other people. Charity should be a free choice. And people should not be viewed as having a "right" to have someone else provide for their basic needs if they can't do it for themselves..

The Welfare/ Culture of Dependency is not just a poor minority problem its also a Rich White male problem. Just ask any defense contractor. ALL of them think the Government should give them a billion dollar contract. So YES its a damn problem that needs to be fixed. First close all non- US military bases. Second no aid to any countries at all. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of the biggest douchebag conks here is a welfare recipient - Col Hogan

HI54UNI wrote: This is one case where welfare should be expanded. If they have kids put them in daycare and let the taxpayers pay for it while the parents work. The parents can either learn a skill so they can be gainfully employed or they can do work for the govt for their welfare check. I don't care if it is picking up trash in the park, putting books on the shelf at a library, or painting fire hydrants nobody should get paid for sitting on their ass doing nothing.

I agree and well put…but this message will fall on deaf ears without any pics.

SDHornet wrote:

HI54UNI wrote: This is one case where welfare should be expanded. If they have kids put them in daycare and let the taxpayers pay for it while the parents work. The parents can either learn a skill so they can be gainfully employed or they can do work for the govt for their welfare check. I don't care if it is picking up trash in the park, putting books on the shelf at a library, or painting fire hydrants nobody should get paid for sitting on their ass doing nothing.

I agree and well put…but this message will fall on deaf ears without any pics.

No need for pics. It's not a spandos thread.

SDHornet wrote:

HI54UNI wrote: This is one case where welfare should be expanded. If they have kids put them in daycare and let the taxpayers pay for it while the parents work. The parents can either learn a skill so they can be gainfully employed or they can do work for the govt for their welfare check. I don't care if it is picking up trash in the park, putting books on the shelf at a library, or painting fire hydrants nobody should get paid for sitting on their ass doing nothing.

I agree and well put…but this message will fall on deaf ears without any pics.

kalm wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:
Who mentioned minorities and race? Well, besides you, of course.

Always blaming the black man, aren't you kalm?

mrklean wrote:Second no aid to any countries at all. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought you were a Christian.

Ivytalk wrote:

SDHornet wrote: I agree and well put…but this message will fall on deaf ears without any pics.

No need for pics. It's not a spandos thread.

Well doesn't look like that plea was heard.