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Meh. The only real downside is the schtick has gotten so old nobody will take it anymore.

89Hen wrote:Meh. The only real downside is the schtick has gotten so old nobody will take it anymore.

Not a schtick, asshole. Your priests raped millions of children, some still do, and your church leaders are trying to cover it up.

I know you're proud.

89Hen wrote:

Great, making light of the fact that an org you fund rapes children on an industrial scale. Kids younger than your children.

Your church is also guilty of torturing and beating children all over the world.

You must be proud.

D1B wrote:
Your church is also guilty of torturing and beating children all over the world.

You must be proud.

Some of them need to be taught a lesson.

D1B wrote:

89Hen wrote:

Great, making light of the fact that an org you fund rapes children on an industrial scale. Kids younger than your children.

Your church is also guilty of torturing and beating children all over the world.

You must be proud.

Come on, if it didn't involve religion, and a particular religion you already have expressed extreme distaste for, you wouldn't mention it. Your caring for the kids only goes as far as you can bash the religion. Millions more children get raped and beat and killed by non-Catholic means every day and yet you stay silent on that. The Church is horribly guilty of a multitude of sins - you're guilty of pretending to care about child abuse so that you can post again and again your distaste for the church. Clearly the Church is guiltier of a far more grievous sin, but your hyper focus on only church-related child abuse does a disservice to the much larger percentage of kids who are abused by other means.

GannonFan wrote:

D1B wrote:

Great, making light of the fact that an org you fund rapes children on an industrial scale. Kids younger than your children.

Your church is also guilty of torturing and beating children all over the world.

You must be proud.

Come on, if it didn't involve religion, and a particular religion you already have expressed extreme distaste for, you wouldn't mention it. Your caring for the kids only goes as far as you can bash the religion. Millions more children get raped and beat and killed by non-Catholic means every day and yet you stay silent on that. The Church is horribly guilty of a multitude of sins - you're guilty of pretending to care about child abuse so that you can post again and again your distaste for the church. Clearly the Church is guiltier of a far more grievous sin, but your hyper focus on only church-related child abuse does a disservice to the much larger percentage of kids who are abused by other means.

I choose to focus on your church's horrendous record of abusing children throughout the centuries. More heinious is the cover up. It's my niche.

I trust others are doing their part with those other perps.

D1B wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Come on, if it didn't involve religion, and a particular religion you already have expressed extreme distaste for, you wouldn't mention it. Your caring for the kids only goes as far as you can bash the religion. Millions more children get raped and beat and killed by non-Catholic means every day and yet you stay silent on that. The Church is horribly guilty of a multitude of sins - you're guilty of pretending to care about child abuse so that you can post again and again your distaste for the church. Clearly the Church is guiltier of a far more grievous sin, but your hyper focus on only church-related child abuse does a disservice to the much larger percentage of kids who are abused by other means.

I choose to focus on your church's horrendous record of abusing children throughout the centuries. More heinious is the cover up. It's my niche.

I trust others are doing their part with those other perps.

Kinda like a policeman coming up to a burning apartment building and writing a ticket for a car parked at an expired meter rather than helping. I mean, his niche is probably expired meters so why bother looking at the complete picture and making a bigger impact. In your case, you're already a self-professed bigot when it comes to religion and Catholics in general, so of course it's your niche. Bigots gotta do what bigots gotta do I guess.

GannonFan wrote:

D1B wrote:
I choose to focus on your church's horrendous record of abusing children throughout the centuries. More heinious is the cover up. It's my niche.

I trust others are doing their part with those other perps.

Kinda like a policeman coming up to a burning apartment building and writing a ticket for a car parked at an expired meter rather than helping. I mean, his niche is probably expired meters so why bother looking at the complete picture and making a bigger impact. In your case, you're already a self-professed bigot when it comes to religion and Catholics in general, so of course it's your niche. Bigots gotta do what bigots gotta do I guess.

Yes, AZ, that's exactly what it's like.

Grizalltheway wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Kinda like a policeman coming up to a burning apartment building and writing a ticket for a car parked at an expired meter rather than helping. I mean, his niche is probably expired meters so why bother looking at the complete picture and making a bigger impact. In your case, you're already a self-professed bigot when it comes to religion and Catholics in general, so of course it's your niche. Bigots gotta do what bigots gotta do I guess.

Yes, AZ, that's exactly what it's like.

Get off D's dick, slick.

I've had D1B on ignore for months. No thinking person gives a shit what
that dickhead thinks.

GannonFan wrote:

D1B wrote:

Great, making light of the fact that an org you fund rapes children on an industrial scale. Kids younger than your children.

Your church is also guilty of torturing and beating children all over the world.

You must be proud.

Come on, if it didn't involve religion, and a particular religion you already have expressed extreme distaste for, you wouldn't mention it. Your caring for the kids only goes as far as you can bash the religion. Millions more children get raped and beat and killed by non-Catholic means every day and yet you stay silent on that. The Church is horribly guilty of a multitude of sins - you're guilty of pretending to care about child abuse so that you can post again and again your distaste for the church. Clearly the Church is guiltier of a far more grievous sin, but your hyper focus on only church-related child abuse does a disservice to the much larger percentage of kids who are abused by other means.

If I we're a catholic, I think my only response to D's posts would be...'it's tragic, and we're sorry".

kalm wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Come on, if it didn't involve religion, and a particular religion you already have expressed extreme distaste for, you wouldn't mention it. Your caring for the kids only goes as far as you can bash the religion. Millions more children get raped and beat and killed by non-Catholic means every day and yet you stay silent on that. The Church is horribly guilty of a multitude of sins - you're guilty of pretending to care about child abuse so that you can post again and again your distaste for the church. Clearly the Church is guiltier of a far more grievous sin, but your hyper focus on only church-related child abuse does a disservice to the much larger percentage of kids who are abused by other means.

If I we're a catholic, I think my only response to D's posts would be...'it's tragic, and we're sorry".

Keynesian economics is correct, all Catholics are responsible for church child sex abuse - man, you'll advocate any position with little validity.

GannonFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
If I we're a catholic, I think my only response to D's posts would be...'it's tragic, and we're sorry".

Keynesian economics is correct, all Catholics are responsible for church child sex abuse - man, you'll advocate any position with little validity.

Keynesian economics has its points and there is a church abuse scandal.

Wow...a little butt hurt are ya?

kalm wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Keynesian economics is correct, all Catholics are responsible for church child sex abuse - man, you'll advocate any position with little validity.

Keynesian economics has its points and there is a church abuse scandal.

Wow...a little butt hurt are ya?

Walking it back now are you?

GannonFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Keynesian economics has its points and there is a church abuse scandal.

Wow...a little butt hurt are ya?

Walking it back now are you?

Walking what back? Keynesian economics? That's not what this thread is about.

GannonFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
If I we're a catholic, I think my only response to D's posts would be...'it's tragic, and we're sorry".

Keynesian economics is correct, all Catholics are responsible for church child sex abuse - man, you'll advocate any position with little validity.

You're not responsible for your priests raping children, your parents and grandparents are. YOU though are responsible for the ongoing cover up that includes threatening witnesses, harrassment, and unchristlike callous treatment of victims and family, especially vilifying them.

BTW, the "everyone else is raping children" defense is laughable. You're better and smarter than that.

Ivytalk wrote:I've had D1B on ignore for months. No thinking person gives a shit what
that dickhead thinks.

Blow me, you octogenarian anus sniffer.

No one cares what you think. You're Gil Dobie with a job.



"I don't read D1B's posts. I'm special, that's for sure!"

D1B wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Keynesian economics is correct, all Catholics are responsible for church child sex abuse - man, you'll advocate any position with little validity.

You're not responsible for your priests raping children, your parents and grandparents are. YOU though are responsible for the ongoing cover up that includes threatening witnesses, harrassment, and unchristlike callous treatment of victims and family, especially vilifying them.

BTW, the "everyone else is raping children" defense is laughable. You're better and smarter than that.

See, that's the thing, I'm not responsible for any of that, just like my parents and grandparents were not responsible for what you accuse them of either. We've had this discussion before and oddly you came to a different conclusion before. The vast majority of adherents to the Catholic faith have never seen or had first hand information of any of the abuses that the chuch hierarchy committed, either the initial crime or the even more insidious coverup. Furthermore, for the same vast majority of the adherents, the church, to them, is their parish and the people they congregate with and worship with. That part hasn't failed and that part isn't "responsible" as you claim it is. Heck, it's that part specifically that brought these crimes to light and started the process that is still not far enough along in correcting and prosecuting these crimes. The part that is responsible is the priestly hierarchy and even then, it's just a small segment of that hierarchy that has committed the crimes. Believe it or not, that large majority of priests have never committed any of these crimes or had knowledge of them. That doesn't in any way excuse or minimized the heinousness of those who did. But you have trouble seeing that since your main argument is religion is bad and you latch onto anything you can to pursue that. Your's and kalm's idea that all catholics are guilty misses the point.

And you're missing the point on the abuses elsewhere comment - that isn't to minimize or excuse the Church from what it's done - the Church's crimes in this regard are widespread and despicable. The comment was that for one who professes to want to protect children, your niche-selection would seem to indicate you care more about the religion than about the abuse.

GannonFan wrote:

D1B wrote:
You're not responsible for your priests raping children, your parents and grandparents are. YOU though are responsible for the ongoing cover up that includes threatening witnesses, harrassment, and unchristlike callous treatment of victims and family, especially vilifying them.

BTW, the "everyone else is raping children" defense is laughable. You're better and smarter than that.

See, that's the thing, I'm not responsible for any of that, just like my parents and grandparents were not responsible for what you accuse them of either. We've had this discussion before and oddly you came to a different conclusion before. The vast majority of adherents to the Catholic faith have never seen or had first hand information of any of the abuses that the chuch hierarchy committed, either the initial crime or the even more insidious coverup. Furthermore, for the same vast majority of the adherents, the church, to them, is their parish and the people they congregate with and worship with. That part hasn't failed and that part isn't "responsible" as you claim it is. Heck, it's that part specifically that brought these crimes to light and started the process that is still not far enough along in correcting and prosecuting these crimes. The part that is responsible is the priestly hierarchy and even then, it's just a small segment of that hierarchy that has committed the crimes. Believe it or not, that large majority of priests have never committed any of these crimes or had knowledge of them. That doesn't in any way excuse or minimized the heinousness of those who did. But you have trouble seeing that since your main argument is religion is bad and you latch onto anything you can to pursue that. Your's and kalm's idea that all catholics are guilty misses the point.

And you're missing the point on the abuses elsewhere comment - that isn't to minimize or excuse the Church from what it's done - the Church's crimes in this regard are widespread and despicable. The comment was that for one who professes to want to protect children, your niche-selection would seem to indicate you care more about the religion than about the abuse.

I don't think all catholics are guilty. I was just trying to help out.

GannonFan wrote:

D1B wrote:
You're not responsible for your priests raping children, your parents and grandparents are. YOU though are responsible for the ongoing cover up that includes threatening witnesses, harrassment, and unchristlike callous treatment of victims and family, especially vilifying them.

BTW, the "everyone else is raping children" defense is laughable. You're better and smarter than that.

See, that's the thing, I'm not responsible for any of that, just like my parents and grandparents were not responsible for what you accuse them of either. We've had this discussion before and oddly you came to a different conclusion before. The vast majority of adherents to the Catholic faith have never seen or had first hand information of any of the abuses that the chuch hierarchy committed, either the initial crime or the even more insidious coverup. Furthermore, for the same vast majority of the adherents, the church, to them, is their parish and the people they congregate with and worship with. That part hasn't failed and that part isn't "responsible" as you claim it is. Heck, it's that part specifically that brought these crimes to light and started the process that is still not far enough along in correcting and prosecuting these crimes. The part that is responsible is the priestly hierarchy and even then, it's just a small segment of that hierarchy that has committed the crimes. Believe it or not, that large majority of priests have never committed any of these crimes or had knowledge of them. That doesn't in any way excuse or minimized the heinousness of those who did. But you have trouble seeing that since your main argument is religion is bad and you latch onto anything you can to pursue that. Your's and kalm's idea that all catholics are guilty misses the point.

And you're missing the point on the abuses elsewhere comment - that isn't to minimize or excuse the Church from what it's done - the Church's crimes in this regard are widespread and despicable. The comment was that for one who professes to want to protect children, your niche-selection would seem to indicate you care more about the religion than about the abuse.

I think I see your problem, GF: you're attempting to use logic in a discussion with D1B.

GannonFan wrote:

D1B wrote:
You're not responsible for your priests raping children, your parents and grandparents are. YOU though are responsible for the ongoing cover up that includes threatening witnesses, harrassment, and unchristlike callous treatment of victims and family, especially vilifying them.

BTW, the "everyone else is raping children" defense is laughable. You're better and smarter than that.

See, that's the thing, I'm not responsible for any of that, just like my parents and grandparents were not responsible for what you accuse them of either. We've had this discussion before and oddly you came to a different conclusion before. The vast majority of adherents to the Catholic faith have never seen or had first hand information of any of the abuses that the chuch hierarchy committed, either the initial crime or the even more insidious coverup. Furthermore, for the same vast majority of the adherents, the church, to them, is their parish and the people they congregate with and worship with. That part hasn't failed and that part isn't "responsible" as you claim it is. Heck, it's that part specifically that brought these crimes to light and started the process that is still not far enough along in correcting and prosecuting these crimes. The part that is responsible is the priestly hierarchy and even then, it's just a small segment of that hierarchy that has committed the crimes. Believe it or not, that large majority of priests have never committed any of these crimes or had knowledge of them. That doesn't in any way excuse or minimized the heinousness of those who did. But you have trouble seeing that since your main argument is religion is bad and you latch onto anything you can to pursue that. Your's and kalm's idea that all catholics are guilty misses the point.

And you're missing the point on the abuses elsewhere comment - that isn't to minimize or excuse the Church from what it's done - the Church's crimes in this regard are widespread and despicable. The comment was that for one who professes to want to protect children, your niche-selection would seem to indicate you care more about the religion than about the abuse.

You're the one who said I wanted to protect children. My primary target is the church, always has been. That I can help some people by spreading awareness about this scandal is a side benefit.

There are way more priests involved than what is reported by your crime syndicate. Also, parish employees, other priests, bishops, deacons, the asshole pope and parishioners knew what was happening and remained silent or actually helped cover up the crimes. YOUR priest, I guarantee, knew what was happening and failed act in a moral/secular manner.

This aside, even those without knowledge of what was going on are at fault at least for being intellectual and moral cowards...timid, scared people who never question authority and allowed themselves to be duped by monsters and charlatans.

YOUR priests would have never did what they did if you, the parishoners, asked questions....had courage.

AZGrizFan wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
See, that's the thing, I'm not responsible for any of that, just like my parents and grandparents were not responsible for what you accuse them of either. We've had this discussion before and oddly you came to a different conclusion before. The vast majority of adherents to the Catholic faith have never seen or had first hand information of any of the abuses that the chuch hierarchy committed, either the initial crime or the even more insidious coverup. Furthermore, for the same vast majority of the adherents, the church, to them, is their parish and the people they congregate with and worship with. That part hasn't failed and that part isn't "responsible" as you claim it is. Heck, it's that part specifically that brought these crimes to light and started the process that is still not far enough along in correcting and prosecuting these crimes. The part that is responsible is the priestly hierarchy and even then, it's just a small segment of that hierarchy that has committed the crimes. Believe it or not, that large majority of priests have never committed any of these crimes or had knowledge of them. That doesn't in any way excuse or minimized the heinousness of those who did. But you have trouble seeing that since your main argument is religion is bad and you latch onto anything you can to pursue that. Your's and kalm's idea that all catholics are guilty misses the point.

And you're missing the point on the abuses elsewhere comment - that isn't to minimize or excuse the Church from what it's done - the Church's crimes in this regard are widespread and despicable. The comment was that for one who professes to want to protect children, your niche-selection would seem to indicate you care more about the religion than about the abuse.

I think I see your problem, GF: you're attempting to use logic in a discussion with D1B.

And here's Aristotle, stepping away from ass and bikini threads, diving into the deep water....

D1B wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: I think I see your problem, GF: you're attempting to use logic in a discussion with D1B.

And here's Aristotle, stepping away from ass and bikini threads, diving into the deep water....

And don't you forget it, Rainman.