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That should pretty much answer the atheists "burning" question since last week's tragedy.

Religion should not be in our public schools. We are not a Christian nation. We were not founded as a Christian nation. We were never and are not a theocracy.

Ibanez wrote:Religion should not be in our public schools. We are not a Christian nation. We were not founded as a Christian nation. We were never and are not a theocracy.

BTW, God IS welcome in our public schools. Or do christians require everyone to worship along with them for validation?

I thought God is supposed to be everywhere, whether he was invited or not.

Guess he missed class last week in Newtown, or he would have turned the kids skins to kevlar and jammed that jammin' jimmmy AR, like a good responsible God.



Damn it, is he God or is he not?

kalm wrote:

Ibanez wrote:Religion should not be in our public schools. We are not a Christian nation. We were not founded as a Christian nation. We were never and are not a theocracy.

BTW, God IS welcome in our public schools. Or do christians require everyone to worship along with them for validation?

Christian's are ruining Christianity. They are almost as bad as the extreme Islamist. They want their religion everywhere and you are wrong to criticize and/or not participate.

Wedgebuster wrote:I thought God is supposed to be everywhere, whether he was invited or not.

Guess he missed class last week in Newtown, or he would have turned the kids skins to kevlar and jammed that jammin' jimmmy AR, like a good responsible God.



Damn it, is he God or is he not?

That was this time, 1 week ago exactly. Those poor children. Their lives wasted because of Nancy and Adam.

Ibanez wrote:

kalm wrote:


BTW, God IS welcome in our public schools. Or do christians require everyone to worship along with them for validation?

Christian's are ruining Christianity. They are almost as bad as the extreme Islamist. They want their religion everywhere and you are wrong to criticize and/or not participate.

Am I missing something? I'm not getting Christianity shoved in my face every turn. Maybe its a geography thing.

andy7171 wrote:

Ibanez wrote: Christian's are ruining Christianity. They are almost as bad as the extreme Islamist. They want their religion everywhere and you are wrong to criticize and/or not participate.

Am I missing something? I'm not getting Christianity shoved in my face every turn. Maybe its a geography thing.

You don't live in the Bible Belt.



It's really judgmental and un Christian like.

As long as there are tests there will be prayer in schools....

Ibanez wrote:

andy7171 wrote: Am I missing something? I'm not getting Christianity shoved in my face every turn. Maybe its a geography thing.

You don't live in the Bible Belt.



It's really judgmental and un Christian like.

I'd tell anyone that gets in my face about any religion to fuck off.

Wedgebuster wrote:jammed that jammin' jimmmy AR

Picking mine up today. Haters gonna hate!

Col Hogan wrote:As long as there are tests there will be prayer in schools....

I'd say God is welcomed, but he has to get a pass from the office.

Ibanez wrote:Christian's are ruining Christianity.

I understand what you're going for, but this is a silly statement.

It's welcome in our public schools in literature, art, mythology, anthropology, sociology and history classes. We should study religion as passionately and critically as we do other grotesque historical aberrations as the holocaust, the various plagues, wars, environmental destruction, genocide, and other monumental mistakes of man.

89Hen wrote:

Ibanez wrote:Christian's are ruining Christianity.

I understand what you're going for, but this is a silly statement.

Agreed. You cant really ruin something that is already fucked up as badly as christianity.

andy7171 wrote:

Ibanez wrote: Christian's are ruining Christianity. They are almost as bad as the extreme Islamist. They want their religion everywhere and you are wrong to criticize and/or not participate.

Am I missing something? I'm not getting Christianity shoved in my face every turn. Maybe its a geography thing.

Most of it is done behind your back. They own politicians, judges, police officers, prosecuters, you name it. And by they, I mean your church, primarily.

89Hen wrote:

Ibanez wrote:Christian's are ruining Christianity.

I understand what you're going for, but this is a silly statement.

Just silly? Not a bit over the top to get an often stated point across?

What a stupid statement.

According to the Bible, God is anywhere that there are believers. He would not have destroyed Sodom if Lot had found 5 righteous people - are you saying the kids all deserved to die?

Jesus said to suffer unto the children. Are you saying that just because there are not public displays of Christianity in the school (which the Bible preaches against in the first place), he has abandoned his children?

We just might be over-reacting here just a bit. There IS at least circumstancial evidence that crime has increased since organized prayer was "removed" from public schools in 1962. But that's the thing; the Supreme Court did not and CANNOT completely remove prayer, as Judeo-Christian administrators can pray over their classes on their own time (nobody's trying to forbid that, at least not that I've heard), and as Hogan aptly said, nobody can forbid a child to pray for themselves and their classmates when a test comes along. What was removed was prayer organized by the administration. That's not really a problem so long as some hack administrator does not try to extend that to student-organized prayer. Students do NOT leave their civil rights at the door. And, yes, that student freedom ALSO extends to those of other faiths; clubs cannot be denied school access merely because of Christian orientation. Schools have lost a ton of suits over that, because some administrator did not bother to read the law. It's a balancing act; no institutional organization, but allow students to exercise their faith (whatever it is) on school property during lunch and after school. There was an instance not too long ago, where students in the Bay Area were forced to not only learn about but PARTICIPATE IN Moslem activities (including to the extent of taking an Arabic name) without parental notification or choice to opt out. That is just as intolerable as some see teacher-led prayer to the Christian God. Some admins try to have it both ways, but it doesn't work that way. Again, there's a difference between an administratively organized thing and something that's student-led on campus. If we get the balance right, there's no problem. And I believe that in most districts, it's being done right. While there are SOME admins that are "out to get" Christians, those are few and far between; there are more who are just ignorant of what the law states but trying to do right by everybody, and far more who DO know what the right thing is and do it.

This isn't freak-out time. This is a time to take stock of the situation and react accordingly.

SuperHornet wrote:We just might be over-reacting here just a bit. There IS at least circumstancial evidence that crime has increased since organized prayer was "removed" from public schools in 1962. But that's the thing; the Supreme Court did not and CANNOT completely remove prayer, as Judeo-Christian administrators can pray over their classes on their own time (nobody's trying to forbid that, at least not that I've heard), and as Hogan aptly said, nobody can forbid a child to pray for themselves and their classmates when a test comes along. What was removed was prayer organized by the administration. That's not really a problem so long as some hack administrator does not try to extend that to student-organized prayer. Students do NOT leave their civil rights at the door. And, yes, that student freedom ALSO extends to those of other faiths; clubs cannot be denied school access merely because of Christian orientation. Schools have lost a ton of suits over that, because some administrator did not bother to read the law. It's a balancing act; no institutional organization, but allow students to exercise their faith (whatever it is) on school property during lunch and after school. There was an instance not too long ago, where students in the Bay Area were forced to not only learn about but PARTICIPATE IN Moslem activities (including to the extent of taking an Arabic name) without parental notification or choice to opt out. That is just as intolerable as some see teacher-led prayer to the Christian God. Some admins try to have it both ways, but it doesn't work that way. Again, there's a difference between an administratively organized thing and something that's student-led on campus. If we get the balance right, there's no problem. And I believe that in most districts, it's being done right. While there are SOME admins that are "out to get" Christians, those are few and far between; there are more who are just ignorant of what the law states but trying to do right by everybody, and far more who DO know what the right thing is and do it.

This isn't freak-out time. This is a time to take stock of the situation and react accordingly.

Hey, JSO, can you Sum this up in 3 sentences or less?

Ibanez wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:We just might be over-reacting here just a bit. There IS at least circumstancial evidence that crime has increased since organized prayer was "removed" from public schools in 1962. But that's the thing; the Supreme Court did not and CANNOT completely remove prayer, as Judeo-Christian administrators can pray over their classes on their own time (nobody's trying to forbid that, at least not that I've heard), and as Hogan aptly said, nobody can forbid a child to pray for themselves and their classmates when a test comes along. What was removed was prayer organized by the administration. That's not really a problem so long as some hack administrator does not try to extend that to student-organized prayer. Students do NOT leave their civil rights at the door. And, yes, that student freedom ALSO extends to those of other faiths; clubs cannot be denied school access merely because of Christian orientation. Schools have lost a ton of suits over that, because some administrator did not bother to read the law. It's a balancing act; no institutional organization, but allow students to exercise their faith (whatever it is) on school property during lunch and after school. There was an instance not too long ago, where students in the Bay Area were forced to not only learn about but PARTICIPATE IN Moslem activities (including to the extent of taking an Arabic name) without parental notification or choice to opt out. That is just as intolerable as some see teacher-led prayer to the Christian God. Some admins try to have it both ways, but it doesn't work that way. Again, there's a difference between an administratively organized thing and something that's student-led on campus. If we get the balance right, there's no problem. And I believe that in most districts, it's being done right. While there are SOME admins that are "out to get" Christians, those are few and far between; there are more who are just ignorant of what the law states but trying to do right by everybody, and far more who DO know what the right thing is and do it.

This isn't freak-out time. This is a time to take stock of the situation and react accordingly.

Hey, JSO, can you Sum this up in 3 sentences or less?

Pooh
Sirens
Danny White.

dbackjon wrote:

Ibanez wrote: Hey, JSO, can you Sum this up in 3 sentences or less?

Pooh
Sirens
Danny White.

Oh, I understand now. Thank you.

Wedgebuster wrote:I thought God is supposed to be everywhere, whether he was invited or not.

Guess he missed class last week in Newtown, or he would have turned the kids skins to kevlar and jammed that jammin' jimmmy AR, like a good responsible God.



Damn it, is he God or is he not?

Took me quite a while to understand atheists big objection to God, but am starting to realize that they want God to be more obvious.

Am I right?

D1B wrote:

andy7171 wrote: Am I missing something? I'm not getting Christianity shoved in my face every turn. Maybe its a geography thing.

Most of it is done behind your back. They own politicians, judges, police officers, prosecuters, you name it. And by they, I mean your church, primarily.

Fuck dude. Give it a rest.

Go back to giving to your charities at a rate that most of us don't make in a year...or so you say (which I strongly doubt you even give).

Broken fucking record.

SeattleGriz wrote:

Wedgebuster wrote:I thought God is supposed to be everywhere, whether he was invited or not.

Guess he missed class last week in Newtown, or he would have turned the kids skins to kevlar and jammed that jammin' jimmmy AR, like a good responsible God.



Damn it, is he God or is he not?

Took me quite a while to understand atheists big objection to God, but am starting to realize that they want God to be more obvious.

Am I right?

My big objection to God is that the entire idea is quite silly, there is no reason to believe in a supernatural being and people that do are just kidding themselves.