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Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:35 pm
by ∞∞∞
3:28PM EST December 7. 2012 - The Supreme Court agreed Friday to take up the explosive issue of same-sex marriage, thrusting itself into a policy debate that has divided federal and state governments and courts, as well as voters in nearly 40 states.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... s/1751931/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Case will most likely be in March with a judgement in June. This one will be big.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:02 pm
by danefan
Hopefully they just say its a state decision and they Feds have no interest at all.
Get rid of DOMA and move on.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:58 pm
by Baldy
danefan wrote:Hopefully they just say its a state decision and they Feds have no interest at all.
Get rid of DOMA and move on.
Zactly...
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:13 pm
by Ivytalk
Chief Justice Roberts will uphold DOMA as a valid exercise of the taxing power.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:44 pm
by CID1990
I am betting they simply determine that marriage is not a Constitutional right, which will open federal benefits to married gay couples, but leaves it to the States whether or not gay marriages will be recognized.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:48 pm
by Skjellyfetti
CID1990 wrote:I am betting they simply determine that marriage is not a Constitutional right, which will open federal benefits to married gay couples, but leaves it to the States whether or not gay marriages will be recognized.
Not a Constitutional scholar. But, would that have any effect on Loving v. Virginia?
Supreme Court wrote:Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival
Courts have consistently said for 50 years that issues of civil rights should be decided by the courts and not voters.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:42 pm
by JoltinJoe
Ivytalk wrote:Chief Justice Roberts will uphold DOMA as a valid exercise of the taxing power.
I thought he was your Harvard homie?
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:03 pm
by Ibanez
danefan wrote:Hopefully they just say its a state decision and they Feds have no interest at all.
Get rid of DOMA and move on.
Yes. This would be the best decision...especially removing DOMA.
I'm sure JSO will be angry that "them queers and lesbo can marry".
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:17 pm
by kalm
Supreme Court wrote:Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival
Honestly, just at face value, whoever wrote that is a complete and utter dope.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:50 pm
by OL FU
danefan wrote:Hopefully they just say its a state decision and they Feds have no interest at all.
Get rid of DOMA and move on.
they also have to determine whether you can be legally married in one state and not in another.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:10 pm
by Ivytalk
JoltinJoe wrote:Ivytalk wrote:Chief Justice Roberts will uphold DOMA as a valid exercise of the taxing power.
I thought he was your Harvard homie?
He's a brilliant guy, but he whiffed on Obamacare.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:54 pm
by Grizalltheway
Ivytalk wrote:JoltinJoe wrote:
I thought he was your Harvard homie?
He's a brilliant guy, but he whiffed on Obamacare.
Not as badly as he whiffed on Citizens United.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:11 pm
by Seahawks08
Not as badly as he whiffed on Citizens United.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:45 am
by Chizzang
This thread has turned a little snarky towards Roberts
But he does have an almost magical way of really missing the point of things
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:41 am
by dbackjon
danefan wrote:Hopefully they just say its a state decision and they Feds have no interest at all.
Get rid of DOMA and move on.
So you would let states ban interracial marriage as well?
You don't care if Alabama continues to discriminate against gays?
Many states have shown that they are incapable of safe guarding equality for all.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:42 am
by D1B
dbackjon wrote:danefan wrote:Hopefully they just say its a state decision and they Feds have no interest at all.
Get rid of DOMA and move on.
So you would let states ban interracial marriage as well?
You don't care if Alabama continues to discriminate against gays?
Many states have shown that they are incapable of safe guarding equality for all.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:54 am
by Chizzang
dbackjon wrote:danefan wrote:Hopefully they just say its a state decision and they Feds have no interest at all.
Get rid of DOMA and move on.
So you would let states ban interracial marriage as well?
You don't care if Alabama continues to discriminate against gays?
Many states have shown that they are incapable of safe guarding equality for all.
Mostly I think the resistance (when not coming from Religious perspectives) is a kind of "what next???"
A feeling that this nation has lost it's "moral center"
The whole idea that Hippies, freaks and freeloaders are slowly encroaching on middle America
This is seen more as a gradual transgression and the end of round one (of the final descent into chaos)
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:04 pm
by dbackjon
Chizzang wrote:dbackjon wrote:
So you would let states ban interracial marriage as well?
You don't care if Alabama continues to discriminate against gays?
Many states have shown that they are incapable of safe guarding equality for all.
Mostly I think the resistance (when not coming from Religious perspectives) is a kind of "what next???"
A feeling that this nation has lost it's "moral center"
The whole idea that Hippies, freaks and freeloaders are slowly encroaching on middle America
This is seen more as a gradual transgression and the end of round one (of the final descent into chaos)
yes, lets go back to the good old days of 91% tax brackets, no coloreds allowed, and women in the kitchen!
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:08 pm
by Wedgebuster
Ya hear the local necks saying stuff like what's next, marrying animals??
From the look of some of 'em and their spouses, seems like that has been going on for sometime already.
Re: Supreme Court to finally take up same-sex marriage.
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:05 pm
by Ibanez
dbackjon wrote:Chizzang wrote:
Mostly I think the resistance (when not coming from Religious perspectives) is a kind of "what next???"
A feeling that this nation has lost it's "moral center"
The whole idea that Hippies, freaks and freeloaders are slowly encroaching on middle America
This is seen more as a gradual transgression and the end of round one (of the final descent into chaos)
yes, lets go back to the good old days of 91% tax brackets, no coloreds allowed, and women in the kitchen!
Jon, 1958 taxes and income can't be compared to todays. Due to inflation, population growth and the fact that there are differences in entitlements paint a very different picture that is beyond comparison.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 82808.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In 1958, an 81% marginal tax rate applied to incomes above $140,000, and the 91% rate kicked in at $400,000 for couples. These figures are in unadjusted 1958 dollars and correspond today to nominal income levels that are about eight times higher. That year, according to Internal Revenue Service records, about 10,000 of the nation's 45.6 million tax filers had income that was taxed at 81% or higher. The number is an estimate and is inexact because the IRS tables list the number of tax filers by income ranges, not precisely by the number who paid at the 81% rate.
In 1958, even the lowest-tier filers, which included everyone making up to $5,000 annually, were subjected to an effective 20% rate. Today, almost half of all tax filers have no income-tax liability whatsoever, and many "taxpayers" actually get a net refund from the government. Those nostalgic for 1950s-era "tax fairness" should bear this in mind
Social Security was different. The ratio in the 1950's was about 46-1, now it's 2.9-1.