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LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:33 pm
by AZGrizFan
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Some Long Island Power Authority customers are charged up after they received their normal electric bill despite spending weeks without power due to Hurricane Sandy.
The New York Post reported that Long Island residents received an estimated rate that covered the entire billing cycle, and the statements made no mention of potential refunds to account for the prolonged blackouts.
'I guess they had power, so they could print my bills. Nice, right?'
- Jonathan Saporta, Long Island resident
"I can't get LIPA to acknowledge my existence on earth to talk to me about anything," Jonathan Saporta told the paper after getting hit with $649 for a home he left in October and $281 bill for his new place. "But I guess they had power, so they could print my bills. Nice, right?"
The paper reported that LIPA did not return phone calls seeking comment.
To be sure, the utility was widely criticized for its hurricane response and preparedness.
LIPA said in its defense that the storm was worse than anyone could have imagined and that it didn't just damage outdoor electrical lines; it caused flooding that touched home and business breaker boxes. LIPA also acknowledged that an outdated computer system for keeping customers notified has added to people's frustration.
But some say the
government-run utility should have seen it coming. It
was recently criticized in a withering state report for lax preparation ahead of last year's Hurricane Irene and for the 25-year-old computer system used to pinpoint outages and update customers.
At its peak, Sandy knocked out power to 8.5 million customers in 10 states, with New York and New Jersey bearing the brunt.
The paper reported that Con Ed, the utility that lights up Manhattan, wants to refund its city customers who lost power $3 and customers from the outer boroughs $6. Those figures represent a portion of customers’ fixed monthly bills, which exclude power usage, the report said.
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You've seen one government-run agency, you've seen 'em all.

Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:27 pm
by SuperHornet
Yup. The city-owned utility in Lodi charges little old ladies on fixed incomes $400/mo and jacks up the rates on EVERYONE to cover budget shortfalls in other areas. It's freaking disgusting, but we have NO competition in town. Many of us want PG&E, but the city won't allow it....
FWIW, I'm a miser and won't touch the wall-unit A/C (which has bit the dust anyway) unless it's REALLY hot during the summer and don't bother with the crazy old fashioned baseboard heaters (so old I'm afraid they'll short, and there are no instructions, anyway), yet I STILL get slammed with $100 or more in a 1BR/1BA apartment no matter what I do. It's STUPID!!!
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:30 pm
by dbackjon
You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:22 am
by Grizalltheway
dbackjon wrote:You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
Hamsters. He don't need no government run electricity.
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:47 am
by dbackjon
Grizalltheway wrote:dbackjon wrote:You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
Hamsters. He don't need no government run electricity.
Hamsters are so 20th Century. Z uses illegals.
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:02 am
by Ibanez
SuperHornet wrote:Yup. The city-owned utility in Lodi charges little old ladies on fixed incomes $400/mo and jacks up the rates on EVERYONE to cover budget shortfalls in other areas. It's freaking disgusting, but we have NO competition in town. Many of us want PG&E, but the city won't allow it....
FWIW, I'm a miser and won't touch the wall-unit A/C (which has bit the dust anyway) unless it's REALLY hot during the summer and don't bother with the crazy old fashioned baseboard heaters (so old I'm afraid they'll short, and there are no instructions, anyway), yet I STILL get slammed with $100 or more in a 1BR/1BA apartment no matter what I do. It's STUPID!!!
Our power is provided by a coop which returns money at the end of each year to the "customers." Additionally, each year when we go to vote for board members, the coop gives you a new appliance. ( I say give, I paid for it). Last year it was a Hamilton Beach Toaster Oven, this year it was wet/dry vac. It's usually a nice appliance and sometimes I regift it.
But, they don't raise the rates often. Now the gas company, they are notorious for raising the rates. It works out though, I don't turn the heat on in the winter but that A/C is running in the summer. It's too damn hot not too have it running.
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:13 am
by SDHornet
dbackjon wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:
Hamsters. He don't need no government run electricity.
Hamsters are so 20th Century. Z uses illegals.
My gas and electric bill is rarely over $40/month here. Of course being in SoCal there is never a need to use AC or heat.

Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:03 am
by AZGrizFan
dbackjon wrote:You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
APS.

Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:42 pm
by dbackjon
AZGrizFan wrote:dbackjon wrote:You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
APS.

So you pay higher rates, and get crappier service than from SRP
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:56 pm
by HI54UNI
This has nothing to do with the fact that it is a govt run utility. The problem is that it is a govt run utility in NY. Some history/facts on LIPA:
It was a private utility that started construction of a nuclear power plant but then the state and others made it impossible for them to complete and use it. So they built a power plant and never used it to generate power. The state of NY ended up buying out the private utility and took over management. Because of this LIPA rates are among the highest in the country and they don't want to raise rates more so they can make improvements to the system.
LIPA doesn't have its own lineworkers. They are contractors.
The LIPA board is appointed by the governor and/or leaders of the NY legislature. It has become a "job" to reward friends. 8 of the 10 members have political connections to Albany. Only one board member has any utility background.
NY Gov. Cuomo has failed to fill the 5 vacancies on the LIPA board yet he is out criticizing and has started a special investigation.
They have had an "interim" CEO for 2 years.
They started all fucked up and will be all fucked up as long as the state of NY runs it.
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:32 pm
by AZGrizFan
dbackjon wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
APS.

So you pay higher rates, and get crappier service than from SRP
Probably. But I don't have a CHOICE who provides my power, Jon.
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:33 pm
by AZGrizFan
HI54UNI wrote:This has nothing to do with the fact that it is a govt run utility. The problem is that it is a govt run utility in NY. Some history/facts on LIPA:
It was a private utility that started construction of a nuclear power plant but then the state and others made it impossible for them to complete and use it. So they built a power plant and never used it to generate power. The state of NY ended up buying out the private utility and took over management. Because of this LIPA rates are among the highest in the country and they don't want to raise rates more so they can make improvements to the system.
LIPA doesn't have its own lineworkers. They are contractors.
The LIPA board is appointed by the governor and/or leaders of the NY legislature. It has become a "job" to reward friends. 8 of the 10 members have political connections to Albany. Only one board member has any utility background.
NY Gov. Cuomo has failed to fill the 5 vacancies on the LIPA board yet he is out criticizing and has started a special investigation.
They have had an "interim" CEO for 2 years.
They started all fucked up and will be all fucked up as long as the state of NY runs it.
I see. Incompetence and cronyism only occurs in New York. I wasn't aware of that.

Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:45 pm
by Grizalltheway
AZGrizFan wrote:HI54UNI wrote:This has nothing to do with the fact that it is a govt run utility. The problem is that it is a govt run utility in NY. Some history/facts on LIPA:
It was a private utility that started construction of a nuclear power plant but then the state and others made it impossible for them to complete and use it. So they built a power plant and never used it to generate power. The state of NY ended up buying out the private utility and took over management. Because of this LIPA rates are among the highest in the country and they don't want to raise rates more so they can make improvements to the system.
LIPA doesn't have its own lineworkers. They are contractors.
The LIPA board is appointed by the governor and/or leaders of the NY legislature. It has become a "job" to reward friends. 8 of the 10 members have political connections to Albany. Only one board member has any utility background.
NY Gov. Cuomo has failed to fill the 5 vacancies on the LIPA board yet he is out criticizing and has started a special investigation.
They have had an "interim" CEO for 2 years.
They started all fucked up and will be all fucked up as long as the state of NY runs it.
I see. Incompetence and cronyism only occurs in New York. I wasn't aware of that.

And in your fucked up version of reality, it only happens in the public sector.

Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:53 pm
by AZGrizFan
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:40 pm
by HI54UNI
I can show you a group of municipal utilities in Iowa where it doesn't happen. I work with 13 of them, two of them go back and forth for the lowest rates in Iowa. Current leader is 5.4 cents per kwh. 3 cents cheaper than the lowest investor owned utility in the state, 8 cents cheaper than the highest investor owned and most of the coops. Their entire electric distribution system is no older than 10 years and it is all underground.

Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:42 pm
by AZGrizFan
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:29 am
by bluehenbillk
Most utility companies operate the way LIPA does - they do actual readings every other or every third month & the others are estimates. With everything going on they should have got off their asses and gave people actuals this month or adjusted them down - bad PR move.
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:39 am
by 93henfan
SDHornet wrote:dbackjon wrote:
Hamsters are so 20th Century. Z uses illegals.
My gas and electric bill is rarely over $40/month here. Of course being in SoCal there is never a need to use AC or heat.

Amen. I still remember my electric bills from when I lived in SD. They ranged from $18 - $22/month in my ~900 sf condo. It helped that A/C and heat were never needed and there was always good weather to do something outside instead of sit and watch TV.