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I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:09 am
by Wedgebuster
He did in fact get votes in Wyoming, actually 28% of the votes here.
You would never know that hanging out in the coffee shops and reading the local paper.
Nearly one out of three of the energy industry, ranching industry, farming industry, tourism industry, and all the rest here that are connected to the state, voted for Obama.
Whoa...
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:12 am
by CAA Flagship
Wedgebuster wrote:He did in fact get votes in Wyoming, actually 28% of the votes here.
You would never know that hanging out in the coffee shops and reading the local paper.
Nearly one out of three of the energy industry, ranching industry, farming industry, tourism industry, and all the rest here that are connected to the state, voted for Obama.
Whoa...
The lack of education is a dangerous thing.

Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:16 am
by Wedgebuster
CAA Flagship wrote:Wedgebuster wrote:He did in fact get votes in Wyoming, actually 28% of the votes here.
You would never know that hanging out in the coffee shops and reading the local paper.
Nearly one out of three of the energy industry, ranching industry, farming industry, tourism industry, and all the rest here that are connected to the state, voted for Obama.
Whoa...
The lack of education is a dangerous thing.

You must be suffering a severe colonic trauma this morning, so I will just point out the fact that number is excessively high this election. Wyoming is the reddest state in the union, so maybe you have a point there about education.
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:18 am
by Franks Tanks
Wedgebuster wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:
The lack of education is a dangerous thing.

You must be suffering a severe colonic trauma this morning, so I will just point out the fact that number is excessively high this election. Wyoming is the reddest state in the union, so maybe you have a point there about education.
What is Wyoming's hispanic population?
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:24 am
by ASUG8
CAA Flagship wrote:Wedgebuster wrote:He did in fact get votes in Wyoming, actually 28% of the votes here.
You would never know that hanging out in the coffee shops and reading the local paper.
Nearly one out of three of the energy industry, ranching industry, farming industry, tourism industry, and all the rest here that are connected to the state, voted for Obama.
Whoa...
The lack of education is a dangerous thing.

+1
When a country is fed a diet of Jersey Shore, American Idol, and Chicago bullshit you really can't expect them to make a good decision. Math and critical reasoning skills are being ignored in our schools from what I can tell, especially in urban environments. We prefer rock stars who can read a good speech to someone who can actually deliver results. Class warfare and divisiveness under the guise of hope, change, and coming together is absolutely laughable. It's embarrassing that we've re-elected this clown, and more embarrassing that we couldn't find anyone out of 300M+ Americans competent enough to beat him. This election is was a true indictment of the two party system. It's no wonder we're getting our collective asses kicked in the education arena worldwide.

Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:26 am
by Wedgebuster
Franks Tanks wrote:Wedgebuster wrote:
You must be suffering a severe colonic trauma this morning, so I will just point out the fact that number is excessively high this election. Wyoming is the reddest state in the union, so maybe you have a point there about education.
What is Wyoming's hispanic population?
I'm sure you can google that Frank, and the only identified Dem county is Teton County, which is the most expensive county in the US. There is a good number of hispanics there in the service industry.
Again, one third is huge here.
Obama must have done pretty well elsewhere, huh.

Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:29 am
by houndawg
ASUG8 wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:
The lack of education is a dangerous thing.

+1
When a country is fed a diet of Jersey Shore, American Idol, and Chicago bullshit you really can't expect them to make a good decision. Math and critical reasoning skills are being ignored in our schools from what I can tell, especially in urban environments. We prefer rock stars who can read a good speech to someone who can actually deliver results. Class warfare and divisiveness under the guise of hope, change, and coming together is absolutely laughable. It's embarrassing that we've re-elected this clown, and more embarrassing that we couldn't find anyone out of 300M+ Americans competent enough to beat him. This election is was a true indictment of the two party system. It's no wonder we're getting our collective asses kicked in the education arena worldwide.

Why that is downright uncharitable.......

Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:35 am
by Franks Tanks
Wedgebuster wrote:Franks Tanks wrote:
What is Wyoming's hispanic population?
I'm sure you can google that Frank, and the only identified Dem county is Teton County, which is the most expensive county in the US. There is a good number of hispanics there in the service industry.
Again, one third is huge here.
Obama must have done pretty well elsewhere, huh.

He is just crushing the hispanic vote. Just feeling that a good portion of the vote may have been from the Hispanic farm/ranch workers. Interesting.
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:58 am
by BlueHen86
ASUG8 wrote:CAA Flagship wrote:
The lack of education is a dangerous thing.

+1
When a country is fed a diet of Jersey Shore, American Idol, and Chicago bullshit you really can't expect them to make a good decision. Math and critical reasoning skills are being ignored in our schools from what I can tell, especially in urban environments. We prefer rock stars who can read a good speech to someone who can actually deliver results. Class warfare and divisiveness under the guise of hope, change, and coming together is absolutely laughable.
It's embarrassing that we've re-elected this clown, and more embarrassing that we couldn't find anyone out of 300M+ Americans competent enough to beat him. This election is was a true indictment of the two party system. It's no wonder we're getting our collective asses kicked in the education arena worldwide. 
2004 all over again.

Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:06 am
by ASUMountaineer
BlueHen86 wrote:ASUG8 wrote:
+1
When a country is fed a diet of Jersey Shore, American Idol, and Chicago bullshit you really can't expect them to make a good decision. Math and critical reasoning skills are being ignored in our schools from what I can tell, especially in urban environments. We prefer rock stars who can read a good speech to someone who can actually deliver results. Class warfare and divisiveness under the guise of hope, change, and coming together is absolutely laughable.
It's embarrassing that we've re-elected this clown, and more embarrassing that we couldn't find anyone out of 300M+ Americans competent enough to beat him. This election is was a true indictment of the two party system. It's no wonder we're getting our collective asses kicked in the education arena worldwide. 
2004 all over again.

Yup, Romney is Kerry v.2012
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:10 am
by ASUG8
BlueHen86 wrote:ASUG8 wrote:
+1
When a country is fed a diet of Jersey Shore, American Idol, and Chicago bullshit you really can't expect them to make a good decision. Math and critical reasoning skills are being ignored in our schools from what I can tell, especially in urban environments. We prefer rock stars who can read a good speech to someone who can actually deliver results. Class warfare and divisiveness under the guise of hope, change, and coming together is absolutely laughable.
It's embarrassing that we've re-elected this clown, and more embarrassing that we couldn't find anyone out of 300M+ Americans competent enough to beat him. This election is was a true indictment of the two party system. It's no wonder we're getting our collective asses kicked in the education arena worldwide. 
2004 all over again.

True....clearly I'm no fan of the president, but I'm not sure I'd be much happier with Romney in place. It bothers me that the US electorate is so incredibly uninformed and votes based on soundbites. We don't have just a presidential problem, we have a government problem in general. I really don't hold out a lot of hope that we'll see any more compromise over the next 4 years, and that's damning both parties.

Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:45 am
by CitadelGrad
Popular vote totals:
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Obama 2008: 69,456,897
McCain 2008: 59,934,814
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Romney 2012: 57,190,188
McCain, as badly as he was trounced, got more votes in 2008 than Obama got in 2012. Romney is 2012 got less than both. Obama received nearly 10 million fewer votes in this election than in the last.
Draw what conclusions you will.
This map might help you draw those conclusions:
http://www.nytimes.com/
There was a significant shift to the right last night, but not enough to give Romney the win.
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:57 am
by dbackjon
CitadelGrad wrote:Popular vote totals:
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Obama 2008: 69,456,897
McCain 2008: 59,934,814
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Romney 2012: 57,190,188
McCain, as badly as he was trounced, got more votes in 2008 than Obama got in 2012. Romney is 2012 got less than both. Obama received nearly 10 million fewer votes in this election than in the last.
Draw what conclusions you will.
This map might help you draw those conclusions:
http://www.nytimes.com/
There was a significant shift to the right last night, but not enough to give Romney the win.
That you still have a Democratic Female US Senator?
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:30 am
by CitadelGrad
dbackjon wrote:CitadelGrad wrote:Popular vote totals:
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Obama 2008: 69,456,897
McCain 2008: 59,934,814
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Romney 2012: 57,190,188
McCain, as badly as he was trounced, got more votes in 2008 than Obama got in 2012. Romney is 2012 got less than both. Obama received nearly 10 million fewer votes in this election than in the last.
Draw what conclusions you will.
This map might help you draw those conclusions:
http://www.nytimes.com/
There was a significant shift to the right last night, but not enough to give Romney the win.
That you still have a Democratic Female US Senator?
I'm not sure how her re-election is related to the numbers that I posted above. McCaskill is quite unpopular, but she took advantage of Aiken's stupidity. Aiken was leading her by 8 points before he decided to go full retard.
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:44 am
by dbackjon
CitadelGrad wrote:dbackjon wrote:
That you still have a Democratic Female US Senator?
I'm not sure how her re-election is related to the numbers that I posted above. McCaskill is quite unpopular, but she took advantage of Aiken's stupidity. Aiken was leading her by 8 points before he decided to go full retard.
You mean he made his true feelings known

Aiken is why we will continue to have Democratic Presidents and Senators
Romney got less votes than McCain and Bush in 2004.
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:11 am
by UNI88
ASUG8 wrote:True....clearly I'm no fan of the president, but I'm not sure I'd be much happier with Romney in place. It bothers me that the US electorate is so incredibly uninformed and votes based on soundbites. We don't have just a presidential problem, we have a government problem in general. I really don't hold out a lot of hope that we'll see any more compromise over the next 4 years, and that's damning both parties.

+1
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:39 pm
by houndawg
Lower blue state turnout due to the hurricane?
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:28 pm
by death dealer
ASUMountaineer wrote:BlueHen86 wrote:
2004 all over again.

Yup, Romney is Kerry v.2012
And we're likely going to get about as good an outcome long term. Yay us!

Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:44 pm
by Wedgebuster
Seems I posted a thread this summer predicting low voter turnout.
Oh well, right again.

Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:57 pm
by BlueHen86
CitadelGrad wrote:Popular vote totals:
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Obama 2008: 69,456,897
McCain 2008: 59,934,814
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Romney 2012: 57,190,188
McCain, as badly as he was trounced, got more votes in 2008 than Obama got in 2012. Romney is 2012 got less than both. Obama received nearly 10 million fewer votes in this election than in the last.
Draw what conclusions you will.
This map might help you draw those conclusions:
http://www.nytimes.com/
There was a significant shift to the right last night, but not enough to give Romney the win.
Wow, that's some high RPM spin right there. Last night was status quo. Dems can't claim a mandate and the GOP can't claim a shift to the right, let along a "significant" shift to the right.
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:01 pm
by UNI88
BlueHen86 wrote:CitadelGrad wrote:Popular vote totals:
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Obama 2008: 69,456,897
McCain 2008: 59,934,814
Obama 2012: 59,837,407
Romney 2012: 57,190,188
McCain, as badly as he was trounced, got more votes in 2008 than Obama got in 2012. Romney is 2012 got less than both. Obama received nearly 10 million fewer votes in this election than in the last.
Draw what conclusions you will.
This map might help you draw those conclusions:
http://www.nytimes.com/
There was a significant shift to the right last night, but not enough to give Romney the win.
Wow, that's some high RPM spin right there. Last night was status quo. Dems can't claim a mandate and the GOP can't claim a shift to the right, let along a "significant" shift to the right.
Percentage-wise it was technically a shift to the right from 2008.
In reality, the pendulum just swung back to the middle and you're right that no one has a mandate or the momentum. Of course, neither side is likely to admit that. They're just going to forge ahead being obstinate and pretending that they're smarter than the other side. I hope I'm wrong but I see two to four years of obstructionism, bickering and finger pointing ahead from both sides of the aisle.
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:16 pm
by BlueHen86
UNI88 wrote:BlueHen86 wrote:
Wow, that's some high RPM spin right there. Last night was status quo. Dems can't claim a mandate and the GOP can't claim a shift to the right, let along a "significant" shift to the right.
Percentage-wise it was technically a shift to the right from 2008.
In reality, the pendulum just swung back to the middle and you're right that no one has a mandate or the momentum. Of course, neither side is likely to admit that. They're just going to forge ahead being obstinate and pretending that they're smarter than the other side. I hope I'm wrong but I see two to four years of obstructionism, bickering and finger pointing ahead from both sides of the aisle.
Exactly. 2008 was the abberation because people were tired of Bush and they bought into 'Hope and Change'.
Even so, the Dems gained seats in the Senate which certainly is not evidence of a shift to the right.
Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:44 pm
by ASUMountaineer
death dealer wrote:ASUMountaineer wrote:
Yup, Romney is Kerry v.2012
And we're likely going to get about as good an outcome long term. Yay us!


Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:42 am
by kalm
dbackjon wrote:CitadelGrad wrote:
I'm not sure how her re-election is related to the numbers that I posted above. McCaskill is quite unpopular, but she took advantage of Aiken's stupidity. Aiken was leading her by 8 points before he decided to go full retard.
You mean he made his true feelings known

Aiken is why we will continue to have Democratic Presidents and Senators

The country swung back to the left after the 2010 mid terms.
Obama is a center right politician leading a center left country.

Re: I Badly Underestimated Obama..
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:13 am
by CAA Flagship
kalm wrote:dbackjon wrote:
You mean he made his true feelings known

Aiken is why we will continue to have Democratic Presidents and Senators

The country swung back to the left after the 2010 mid terms.
Obama is a center right politician
leading a center left country.

I hadn't noticed.
