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So the legalization of marijuana is making progress as is same-sex marriage. The abortion thing will eventually get straightened out. Same with immigration.

What social issues are there on the horizon that will keep fueling votes from the single-issue voters of the left?

CAA Flagship wrote:So the legalization of marijuana is making progress as is same-sex marriage. The abortion thing will eventually get straightened out. Same with immigration.

What social issues are there on the horizon that will keep fueling votes from the single-issue voters of the left?

Why are you limiting it just to the left?

REpublicans have used those same single/two issue voting to drive/divide the electorate for years. If it wasn't for the Pepublicans, these issues would have long ago been decided...

CAA Flagship wrote:So the legalization of marijuana is making progress as is same-sex marriage. The abortion thing will eventually get straightened out. Same with immigration.

What social issues are there on the horizon that will keep fueling votes from the single-issue voters of the left?

Responsible energy use, environment, campaign finance reform, keeping religion out of government, you know... really important stuff.

Internet porn is next. Just wait for that battle!

D1B wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:So the legalization of marijuana is making progress as is same-sex marriage. The abortion thing will eventually get straightened out. Same with immigration.

What social issues are there on the horizon that will keep fueling votes from the single-issue voters of the left?

Responsible energy use, environment, campaign finance reform, keeping religion out of government, you know... really important stuff.

I'm not sure if those are sexy enough for the masses to turn a blind eye to fiscal issues.

dbackjon wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:So the legalization of marijuana is making progress as is same-sex marriage. The abortion thing will eventually get straightened out. Same with immigration.

What social issues are there on the horizon that will keep fueling votes from the single-issue voters of the left?

Why are you limiting it just to the left?

REpublicans have used those same single/two issue voting to drive/divide the electorate for years. If it wasn't for the Pepublicans, these issues would have long ago been decided...

This is really THE point... I agree with Jon

Gun hysteria - Obama is going to take your guns - ask anybody from Montana or Wyoming


Godless America
How can we live in a place without Jesus
America is a Christian Nation



Abortion Rights
What would Jeezus do if Mary had an abortion..?

Chizzang wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
Why are you limiting it just to the left?

REpublicans have used those same single/two issue voting to drive/divide the electorate for years. If it wasn't for the Pepublicans, these issues would have long ago been decided...

This is really THE point... I agree with Jon

Gun hysteria - Obama is going to take your guns - ask anybody from Montana or Wyoming


Godless America
How can we live in a place without Jesus
America is a Christian Nation



Abortion Rights
What would Jeezus do if Mary had an abortion..?

We need God in our schools.

BlueHen86 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
This is really THE point... I agree with Jon

Gun hysteria - Obama is going to take your guns - ask anybody from Montana or Wyoming


Godless America
How can we live in a place without Jesus
America is a Christian Nation



Abortion Rights
What would Jeezus do if Mary had an abortion..?

We need God in our schools.

Seriously
When Evolution is being debated along side Creationism - we are fucked
as the rest of the world BLOWS by us in the passing lane at 120 Mph we can't get out of reverse
Amazing

CAA Flagship wrote:So the legalization of marijuana is making progress as is same-sex marriage. The abortion thing will eventually get straightened out. Same with immigration.

What social issues are there on the horizon that will keep fueling votes from the single-issue voters of the left?

Interesting that you blame the left, it's the GOP that has a problem. The GOP lost two senate seats because senators made ridiculous comments regarding abortion and rape. Both parties have single issue voters, but the GOP seems more divided as a party right now - that's why the GOP Presidential primary is such a freak show.

I think Christie has a great shot to win in 2016, but he has to survive the GOP primary first; if he doesn't it won't be because of single issue voters on the left.

Chizzang wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:


We need God in our schools.

Seriously
When Evolution is being debated along side Creationism - we are fucked
as the rest of the world BLOWS by us in the passing lane at 120 Mph we can't get out of reverse
Amazing

So you think that these issues will trump the fiscal issues the country faces, which eventually become an issue for the citizens? I understand how people can vote based on same-sex marriage. Direct effect on their lives. I understand how people can vote based on marijuana laws. Again, direct effect. Immigration? For some it is direct effect, others indirect effect. Abortion? This gains political clout as part of overall women's rights issues rather than abortion itself IMO. But still something that can sway the focus from fiscal issues.
I'm just not sure there is enough juice out there to motivate the masses like the issues that have been dealt with or are in the process, versus the fiscal issues we are, and could be facing down the road.

The religion issue (separation), while important to many, doesn't carry as much weight since it is not preventing a way of life like the issues above. It is merely a nuisance that people have to listen to when they don't want to hear it.

BlueHen86 wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:So the legalization of marijuana is making progress as is same-sex marriage. The abortion thing will eventually get straightened out. Same with immigration.

What social issues are there on the horizon that will keep fueling votes from the single-issue voters of the left?

Interesting that you blame the left, it's the GOP that has a problem. The GOP lost two senate seats because senators made ridiculous comments regarding abortion and rape. Both parties have single issue voters, but the GOP seems more divided as a party right now - that's why the GOP Presidential primary is such a freak show.

I think Christie has a great shot to win in 2016, but he has to survive the GOP primary first; if he doesn't it won't be because of single issue voters on the left.

Yes, both parties have single issue voters. But it is the Republicans that "business" believes is better for the economy. Like it or not, if you are a dem, you are fooling yourself to think that your vote is going towards a better economy. Better socially, sure. Better economy, not really, because if "business" is nervous, they play things very conservatively (= less jobs). The economy does not excel in this situation.

CAA Flagship wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:
Interesting that you blame the left, it's the GOP that has a problem. The GOP lost two senate seats because senators made ridiculous comments regarding abortion and rape. Both parties have single issue voters, but the GOP seems more divided as a party right now - that's why the GOP Presidential primary is such a freak show.

I think Christie has a great shot to win in 2016, but he has to survive the GOP primary first; if he doesn't it won't be because of single issue voters on the left.

Yes, both parties have single issue voters. But it is the Republicans that "business" believes is better for the economy. Like it or not, if you are a dem, you are fooling yourself to think that your vote is going towards a better economy. Better socially, sure. Better economy, not really, because if "business" is nervous, they play things very conservatively (= less jobs). The economy does not excel in this situation.

Funny you should say that. 8 years under a Dem in the 90s and business was booming. 8 years under a conk in the 2000s and the economy nearly collapsed. You got some 'slpaining to do.

Grizalltheway wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: Yes, both parties have single issue voters. But it is the Republicans that "business" believes is better for the economy. Like it or not, if you are a dem, you are fooling yourself to think that your vote is going towards a better economy. Better socially, sure. Better economy, not really, because if "business" is nervous, they play things very conservatively (= less jobs). The economy does not excel in this situation.

Funny you should say that. 8 years under a Dem in the 90s and business was booming. 8 years under a conk in the 2000s and the economy nearly collapsed. You got some 'slpaining to do.

I'm no conk apologist, but 8 years of Keynesianism leads to a bubble that eventually bursts. Just ask the biggest Keynesian since Keynes.

dbackjon wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:So the legalization of marijuana is making progress as is same-sex marriage. The abortion thing will eventually get straightened out. Same with immigration.

What social issues are there on the horizon that will keep fueling votes from the single-issue voters of the left?

Why are you limiting it just to the left?

REpublicans have used those same single/two issue voting to drive/divide the electorate for years. If it wasn't for the Pepublicans, these issues would have long ago been decided...

Certainly not by Obama who avoided DODT for two years.

Grizalltheway wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: Yes, both parties have single issue voters. But it is the Republicans that "business" believes is better for the economy. Like it or not, if you are a dem, you are fooling yourself to think that your vote is going towards a better economy. Better socially, sure. Better economy, not really, because if "business" is nervous, they play things very conservatively (= less jobs). The economy does not excel in this situation.

Funny you should say that. 8 years under a Dem in the 90s and business was booming. 8 years under a conk in the 2000s and the economy nearly collapsed. You got some 'slpaining to do.

You don't think the computer and dot.com boom of the 90's was the biggest single economic engine you will ever see in your lifetime? I'll give Clinton credit that he didn't get in the way of it. Right up until the dot.com bubble bursted.

CAA Flagship wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:
Interesting that you blame the left, it's the GOP that has a problem. The GOP lost two senate seats because senators made ridiculous comments regarding abortion and rape. Both parties have single issue voters, but the GOP seems more divided as a party right now - that's why the GOP Presidential primary is such a freak show.

I think Christie has a great shot to win in 2016, but he has to survive the GOP primary first; if he doesn't it won't be because of single issue voters on the left.

Yes, both parties have single issue voters. But it is the Republicans that "business" believes is better for the economy. Like it or not, if you are a dem, you are fooling yourself to think that your vote is going towards a better economy. Better socially, sure. Better economy, not really, because if "business" is nervous, they play things very conservatively (= less jobs). The economy does not excel in this situation.

The economy is cyclical and will have ups and downs no matter who you elect. You are the one fooling yourself if you think electing all Republicans is going to solve all of our economic problems. Neither party spends responsibly and neither party makes government smaller.

BlueHen86 wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: Yes, both parties have single issue voters. But it is the Republicans that "business" believes is better for the economy. Like it or not, if you are a dem, you are fooling yourself to think that your vote is going towards a better economy. Better socially, sure. Better economy, not really, because if "business" is nervous, they play things very conservatively (= less jobs). The economy does not excel in this situation.

The economy is cyclical and will have ups and downs no matter who you elect. You are the one fooling yourself if you think electing all Republicans is going to solve all of our economic problems. Neither party spends responsibly and neither party makes government smaller.

Solve ALL of the economic problems? No way.
Here's the way I look at things. It all starts with the movement of money. Every time money changes hands, it is taxed. The faster money moves, the more revenue the gov takes in. So the trick for any administration is to ensure that money is moving. Dems seem more focused on how much they get per transaction. Republicans are more focused on moving it faster. Generally, when money is moving, unemployment is low because people are needed to make the products and provide the services that are involved in the transactions. When unemployment is low, people are happier, and social changes are more acceptable.

CAA Flagship wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:
The economy is cyclical and will have ups and downs no matter who you elect. You are the one fooling yourself if you think electing all Republicans is going to solve all of our economic problems. Neither party spends responsibly and neither party makes government smaller.

Solve ALL of the economic problems? No way.
Here's the way I look at things. It all starts with the movement of money. Every time money changes hands, it is taxed. The faster money moves, the more revenue the gov takes in. So the trick for any administration is to ensure that money is moving. Dems seem more focused on how much they get per transaction. Republicans are more focused on moving it faster. Generally, when money is moving, unemployment is low because people are needed to make the products and provide the services that are involved in the transactions. When unemployment is low, people are happier, and social changes are more acceptable.

That sounds great, too bad it doesn't really work that way. There is no economic system that is guaranteed to work 100% of the time. If there were we'd already be using it.

You are painting the republicans as good guys and the dems as bad guys, that sounds great if you are a conk, but it's not reality. Things are way more complicated than that.

All this bickering back and forth - but - if the Republican party thought that the Economic issues really were important and the key to getting elected (which is what it's all about actually)

Then they would - drive out - shut up - and shut down the Dingbats that run their party
Until then what you're saying s actually the opposite of what we're seeing in real life

With government run healthcare will eventually come government mandated dietary menu.

BlueHen86 wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: Solve ALL of the economic problems? No way.
Here's the way I look at things. It all starts with the movement of money. Every time money changes hands, it is taxed. The faster money moves, the more revenue the gov takes in. So the trick for any administration is to ensure that money is moving. Dems seem more focused on how much they get per transaction. Republicans are more focused on moving it faster. Generally, when money is moving, unemployment is low because people are needed to make the products and provide the services that are involved in the transactions. When unemployment is low, people are happier, and social changes are more acceptable.

That sounds great, too bad it doesn't really work that way. There is no economic system that is guaranteed to work 100% of the time. If there were we'd already be using it.

You are painting the republicans as good guys and the dems as bad guys, that sounds great if you are a conk, but it's not reality. Things are way more complicated than that.

That's not a "system". It is examples of how the government gets increased revenue.
One way is controlled completely by the Admin (raising taxes) and does little to fuel the economy. Sometimes there is a need to increase taxes. Perfectly understood. But the future better look bright.
The other is not under direct control by the Admin, but can be indirectly influenced by policies. Regulatory uncertainty is the piano the the back.

I for one will vote for any candidate who takes on the personal responsibility to outlaw the use of the non-word "irregardless".

That is a social issue that we need to correct in this country and fast.

Chizzang wrote:All this bickering back and forth - but - if the Republican party thought that the Economic issues really were important and the key to getting elected (which is what it's all about actually)

Then they would - drive out - shut up - and shut down the Dingbats that run their party
Until then what you're saying s actually the opposite of what we're seeing in real life

Clearly, they are idiots.
But this is where campaigns win or lose elections. Dems have these "direct-affect" social issues that have to be discussed because the questions gets asked. Clearly, they are not at the top of the Reps list of important issues. The difference being that Dems are looking for social "rights" they don't currently have. The Reps have all the social rights they desire at the moment. Take away money from Reps to fund expensive and poorly executed programs, and you will have a party that gets somewhat charged up. But never to the extent of the Dems and the social issues (not saying there is anything wrong with that, just saying that taking a little more money from someone far less impactful as immigration, abortion, marriage, etc.).
It comes down to the level of motivation regarding certain issues that determine the direction of votes. The reason I started this thread is to see what might be on the horizon and what level of importance it may have on the voters, versus fiscal issues.

danefan wrote:I for one will vote for any candidate who takes on the personal responsibility to outlaw the use of the non-word "irregardless".

That is a social issue that we need to correct in this country and fast.

I barked at a co-worker once because he used that "word". He reached up to his bookshelf and pulled out a dictionary and BANG, the word was in there. I walked out with tail between legs.

CAA Flagship wrote:

Chizzang wrote:All this bickering back and forth - but - if the Republican party thought that the Economic issues really were important and the key to getting elected (which is what it's all about actually)

Then they would - drive out - shut up - and shut down the Dingbats that run their party
Until then what you're saying s actually the opposite of what we're seeing in real life

Clearly, they are idiots.
But this is where campaigns win or lose elections. Dems have these "direct-affect" social issues that have to be discussed because the questions gets asked. Clearly, they are not at the top of the Reps list of important issues. The difference being that Dems are looking for social "rights" they don't currently have. The Reps have all the social rights they desire at the moment. Take away money from Reps to fund expensive and poorly executed programs, and you will have a party that gets somewhat charged up. But never to the extent of the Dems and the social issues (not saying there is anything wrong with that, just saying that taking a little more money from someone far less impactful as immigration, abortion, marriage, etc.).
It comes down to the level of motivation regarding certain issues that determine the direction of votes. The reason I started this thread is to see what might be on the horizon and what level of importance it may have on the voters, versus fiscal issues.

Clearly? Don't think so. Read the GOP platform sometime, there are plenty of social agenda issues on it.

It takes two to fight. If the left and right are fighting about a social issue it's because they BOTH feel strongly about it.