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The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:41 pm
by Skjellyfetti
Hardly a left-wing outfit... and a very fair and well-reasoned argument. I know most of y'all will dismiss it outright... but, in the event that there are some people interested or there are some lurkers that might actually read it, I'm posting it anyway. :lol:
Mr Obama’s first term has been patchy. On the economy, the most powerful argument in his favour is simply that he stopped it all being a lot worse. America was in a downward economic spiral when he took over, with its banks and carmakers in deep trouble and unemployment rising at the rate of 800,000 a month. His responses—an aggressive stimulus, bailing out General Motors and Chrysler, putting the banks through a sensible stress test and forcing them to raise capital (so that they are now in much better shape than their European peers)—helped avert a Depression. That is a hard message to sell on the doorstep when growth is sluggish and jobs scarce; but it will win Mr Obama some plaudits from history, and it does from us too.
The other qualified achievement is health reform. Even to a newspaper with no love for big government, the fact that over 40m people had no health coverage in a country as rich as America was a scandal. “Obamacare” will correct that, but Mr Obama did very little to deal with the system’s other flaw—its huge and unaffordable costs. He surrendered too much control to left-wing Democrats in Congress. As with the gargantuan Dodd-Frank reform of Wall Street, Obamacare has generated a tangle of red tape—and left business to deal with it all.
Yet far from being the voice of fiscal prudence, Mr Romney wants to start with huge tax cuts (which will disproportionately favour the wealthy), while dramatically increasing defence spending. Together those measures would add $7 trillion to the ten-year deficit. He would balance the books through eliminating loopholes (a good idea, but he will not specify which ones) and through savage cuts to programmes that help America’s poor (a bad idea, which will increase inequality still further). At least Mr Obama, although he distanced himself from Bowles-Simpson, has made it clear that any long-term solution has to involve both entitlement reform and tax rises. Mr Romney is still in the cloud-cuckoo-land of thinking you can do it entirely through spending cuts: the Republican even rejected a ratio of ten parts spending cuts to one part tax rises. Backing business is important, but getting the macroeconomics right matters far more.
Indeed, the extremism of his party is Mr Romney’s greatest handicap. The Democrats have their implacable fringe too: look at the teachers’ unions. But the Republicans have become a party of Torquemadas, forcing representatives to sign pledges never to raise taxes, to dump the chairman of the Federal Reserve and to embrace an ever more Southern-fried approach to social policy. Under President Romney, new conservative Supreme Court justices would try to overturn Roe v Wade, returning abortion policy to the states. The rights of immigrants (who have hardly had a good deal under Mr Obama) and gays (who have) would also come under threat. This newspaper yearns for the more tolerant conservatism of Ronald Reagan, where “small government” meant keeping the state out of people’s bedrooms as well as out of their businesses. Mr Romney shows no sign of wanting to revive it.
As a result, this election offers American voters an unedifying choice. Many of The Economist’s readers, especially those who run businesses in America, may well conclude that nothing could be worse than another four years of Mr Obama. We beg to differ. For all his businesslike intentions, Mr Romney has an economic plan that works only if you don’t believe most of what he says. That is not a convincing pitch for a chief executive. And for all his shortcomings, Mr Obama has dragged America’s economy back from the brink of disaster, and has made a decent fist of foreign policy. So this newspaper would stick with the devil it knows, and re-elect him.
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Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:50 pm
by AZGrizFan
Mr Obama’s first term has been patchy. On the economy, the most powerful argument in his favour is simply that he stopped it all being a lot worse.
Absolutely, unequivocally UNPROVABLE statement.
The other qualified achievement is health reform. Even to a newspaper with no love for big government, the fact that over 40m people had no health coverage in a country as rich as America was a scandal. “Obamacare” will correct that, but Mr Obama did very little to deal with the system’s other flaw—its huge and unaffordable costs. He surrendered too much control to left-wing Democrats in Congress. As with the gargantuan Dodd-Frank reform of Wall Street, Obamacare has generated a tangle of red tape—and left business to deal with it all.
That is about a backhanded "compliment if I ever saw one.
Yet far from being the voice of fiscal prudence, Mr Romney wants to start with huge tax cuts (which will disproportionately favour the wealthy), while dramatically increasing defence spending. Together those measures would add $7 trillion to the ten-year deficit. He would balance the books through eliminating loopholes (a good idea, but he will not specify which ones) and through savage cuts to programmes that help America’s poor (a bad idea, which will increase inequality still further). At least Mr Obama, although he distanced himself from Bowles-Simpson, has made it clear that any long-term solution has to involve both entitlement reform and tax rises. Mr Romney is still in the cloud-cuckoo-land of thinking you can do it entirely through spending cuts: the Republican even rejected a ratio of ten parts spending cuts to one part tax rises. Backing business is important, but getting the macroeconomics right matters far more.
Is that $7 trillion on top of the $8 trillion Obama already PROJECTS to be added to the 10 year deficit? :roll: :roll: :roll: Notice they simply ignore Obama's cuts to Medicare to help pay for Obamacare...no slam on his "savage cuts" affecting "America's poor". :roll: :roll:
Indeed, the extremism of his party is Mr Romney’s greatest handicap. The Democrats have their implacable fringe too: look at the teachers’ unions. But the Republicans have become a party of Torquemadas, forcing representatives to sign pledges never to raise taxes, to dump the chairman of the Federal Reserve and to embrace an ever more Southern-fried approach to social policy. Under President Romney, new conservative Supreme Court justices would try to overturn Roe v Wade, returning abortion policy to the states. The rights of immigrants (who have hardly had a good deal under Mr Obama) and gays (who have) would also come under threat. This newspaper yearns for the more tolerant conservatism of Ronald Reagan, where “small government” meant keeping the state out of people’s bedrooms as well as out of their businesses. Mr Romney shows no sign of wanting to revive it.
Good GOD. The "abortion" scare is as bad as the far right-wingers screaming that Obama is coming to take their guns away.
As a result, this election offers American voters an unedifying choice. Many of The Economist’s readers, especially those who run businesses in America, may well conclude that nothing could be worse than another four years of Mr Obama. We beg to differ. For all his businesslike intentions, Mr Romney has an economic plan that works only if you don’t believe most of what he says. That is not a convincing pitch for a chief executive. And for all his shortcomings, Mr Obama has dragged America’s economy back from the brink of disaster, and has made a decent fist of foreign policy. So this newspaper would stick with the devil it knows, and re-elect him.
And Obama's economic plan only works if you believe NONE of what he says.

If Obama's foreign policy is considered "decent", I'd HATE to see what crappy looks like to the Economist writer who coined this drivel.

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:01 pm
by Baldy
Skjellyfetti wrote:Hardly a left-wing outfit...
:rofl:

The Economist is a Keynesian circle jerk. :coffee:

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:05 pm
by AZGrizFan
Baldy wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Hardly a left-wing outfit...
:rofl:

The Economist is a Keynesian circle jerk. :coffee:
Well, they ARE probably to the right of KYjelly. :lol:

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:13 pm
by CitadelGrad
Baldy wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Hardly a left-wing outfit...
:rofl:

The Economist is a Keynesian circle jerk. :coffee:
True dat. The Economist constantly sucks off Krugman.

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:39 pm
by Grizalltheway
Yeah guys, we get it. Anything other than the WSJ, Washington Times, and Weekly Standard are left-wing rags.

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:41 pm
by Bronco
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Here's a good one from Nevada
I had to laugh BHO was sporting a bomber jacket today on the stump
Click on link for a good read
In an editorial today, Nevada’s largest daily newspaper officially endorsed Mitt Romney for president, but it wasn’t the endorsement that left the lasting impression.

The Review-Journal blasted Obama over his economic ineptitude and absolutely excoriated him and his administration over their handling of the attacks in Benghazi that left four Americans dead. Not only has the president failed to demonstrate any leadership, but, according to the editorial, he is unworthy of being our commander in chief.

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Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:44 pm
by kalm
Grizalltheway wrote:Yeah guys, we get it. Anything other than the WSJ, Washington Times, and Weekly Standard are left-wing rags.
Yeah. I've read a few economist articles and they seem pretty reasonable.

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:57 am
by HI54UNI
kalm wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Yeah guys, we get it. Anything other than the WSJ, Washington Times, and Weekly Standard are left-wing rags.
Yeah. I've read a few economist articles and they seem pretty reasonable.
They're no Rolling Stone.....

:coffee:

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:05 am
by Pwns
A European outfit endorses a US democrat? Stop the presses! :lol:

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:07 am
by kalm
HI54UNI wrote:
kalm wrote:
Yeah. I've read a few economist articles and they seem pretty reasonable.
They're no Rolling Stone.....

:coffee:
Truth! :lol:

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:08 am
by Chizzang
I don't really trust ANYTHING owned by the Rothchild Bank of England
They are at the core of our Federal Reserve System and Wall Street

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:16 am
by Grizalltheway
Pwns wrote:A European outfit endorses a US democrat? Stop the presses! :lol:
Too bad they've also endorsed Reagan, Dole and W, Mort. :roll:

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:21 am
by kalm
^

Oh Ivy...where are you?

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:00 am
by Baldy
kalm wrote:^

Oh Ivy...where are you?
On the way to my house. :D

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:15 am
by Ivytalk
Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:^

Oh Ivy...where are you?
On the way to my house. :D
True dat! On our way to beat the crap out of App! :mrgreen:

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:03 pm
by CID1990
I've subscribed to the hard copy Economist for 10 years now. It is a respected outlet but when editorializing they always lean left.

SK you need to sit back and enjoy the last few weeks of the Obama presidency and stop flailing about.

Re: The Economist's endorsement of Obama:

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:35 pm
by DSUrocks07
Grizalltheway wrote:
Pwns wrote:A European outfit endorses a US democrat? Stop the presses! :lol:
Too bad they've also endorsed Reagan, Dole and W, Mort. :roll:
2 out of 4 isn't bad ;)

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