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Chizzang wrote:This is how far I've been pushed out into the weeds by our present system
I just filled out my Washington State voters ballot card and selected Jill Stein as my choice for President

The one Shocker on my card:
I voted for a Republican Rob McKenna for governor
The rest of my choices were for Democrats and Liberals

I voted to decriminalize pot
To balance the Washington State budget
Charter schools

griz37 wrote:Chizzang - I am guessing you voted to approve 74?

Chizzang wrote:I just voted for Jill Stein

89Hen wrote:•Provide full protection for workplace rights, including the right to a safe workplace and the right to organize a union without fear of firing or reprisal by passing the Employee Free Choice Act.

•Support the formation of worker-owned cooperatives to provide alternatives to exploitative business models.

•Rewrite the entire tax code to be truly progressive with tax cuts for working families, the poor and middle class, and higher taxes for the richest Americans.

•Ensure the right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

•Break up the oversized banks that are “too big to fail,” starting with Bank of America.

•Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.

•Provide tuition-free education from kindergarten through college, thus eliminating the student debt crisis.

•Forgive existing student debt.

•Stop denying students diplomas based on tests.

•Stop using merit pay to punish teachers.

•Impose an immediate moratorium on foreclosures and evictions.

•Offer capital grants to non-profit developers of affordable housing until all people can obtain decent housing at no more than 25% of their income.

•Expand rental and home ownership assistance and create ample public housing.

•Create a binding international treaty to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to levels deemed safe by scientific analysis to reduce global warming.

•Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies .

•Halt all drilling that poses a threat to public lands or water resources.

•Oppose the Online Piracy Act and all other legislation that would undermine freedom and equality on the Internet.

•Enact the full Voter's Bill of Rights guaranteeing each person's right to vote, the right to have our votes counted on hand-marked paper ballots, and the right to vote within systems that give each vote meaning.

•Abolish the electoral college and directly elect the President.

•Require the use of auditable, hand-counted paper ballots in all local, state, and federal elections.

•Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.

•Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.

•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

GSUhooligan wrote:I'd vote for her before voting for Obama or Romney. Not before voting for Johnson though.

GSUhooligan wrote:

89Hen wrote:•Provide full protection for workplace rights, including the right to a safe workplace and the right to organize a union without fear of firing or reprisal by passing the Employee Free Choice Act.

•Support the formation of worker-owned cooperatives to provide alternatives to exploitative business models.

•Rewrite the entire tax code to be truly progressive with tax cuts for working families, the poor and middle class, and higher taxes for the richest Americans.

•Ensure the right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

•Break up the oversized banks that are “too big to fail,” starting with Bank of America.

•Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.

•Provide tuition-free education from kindergarten through college, thus eliminating the student debt crisis.

•Forgive existing student debt.

•Stop denying students diplomas based on tests.

•Stop using merit pay to punish teachers.

•Impose an immediate moratorium on foreclosures and evictions.

•Offer capital grants to non-profit developers of affordable housing until all people can obtain decent housing at no more than 25% of their income.

•Expand rental and home ownership assistance and create ample public housing.

•Create a binding international treaty to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to levels deemed safe by scientific analysis to reduce global warming.

•Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies .

•Halt all drilling that poses a threat to public lands or water resources.

•Oppose the Online Piracy Act and all other legislation that would undermine freedom and equality on the Internet.

•Enact the full Voter's Bill of Rights guaranteeing each person's right to vote, the right to have our votes counted on hand-marked paper ballots, and the right to vote within systems that give each vote meaning.

•Abolish the electoral college and directly elect the President.

•Require the use of auditable, hand-counted paper ballots in all local, state, and federal elections.

•Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.

•Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.

•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

I'd vote for her before voting for Obama or Romney. Not before voting for Johnson though.

89Hen wrote: 12
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and she'd get your vote.

Pwns wrote: Hooligan, would you really support full, unconditional student loan forgiveness?

kalm wrote:This. There are some very good ideas on that list.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

89Hen wrote: 12
13

and she'd get your vote.

That's not her entire platform... he probably agrees with more of her platform than he disagrees. Unlike your cherrypicked version.

GSUhooligan wrote:

Pwns wrote: Hooligan, would you really support full, unconditional student loan forgiveness?

For my student loans, hell yes, but not for anyone else's.
J/K, I clicked the wrong button.

89Hen wrote:

GSUhooligan wrote:I'd vote for her before voting for Obama or Romney. Not before voting for Johnson though.

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and she'd get your vote.

The ONLY reason you'd vote for her over Obama or Romney is she has the luxury of sitting in the weeds and not having to get her hands dirty in an actual bid for anything.

GSUhooligan wrote:foreign policy

89Hen wrote:

kalm wrote:This. There are some very good ideas on that list.

Like 1000 monkeys on typewriters.

kalm wrote:

89Hen wrote: Like 1000 monkeys on typewriters.

'I'm just a conk. Progressive policies and reforms that have historically and elsewhere been proven effective...frighten and confuse me.'

89Hen wrote:

kalm wrote:
'I'm just a conk. Progressive policies and reforms that have historically and elsewhere been proven effective...frighten and confuse me.'

I think you missed the point. Should I have used the "broken clock" analogy?

89Hen wrote: •Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.

89Hen wrote:
•Restore the National Guard as the centerpiece of our defense.

89Hen wrote: •Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

89Hen wrote:•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.

89Hen wrote:•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

GSUhooligan wrote:

89Hen wrote: •Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.

We'd still be spending 2x what China, the #2 country in military spending, spends.

89Hen wrote:
•Restore the National Guard as the centerpiece of our defense.

yeah, not sure about this one

89Hen wrote: •Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

Don't agree with this one either, but probably for the opposite reason you do; I don't think we should be meddling at all, much less "requiring" countries to do anything.

89Hen wrote:•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.

Not sure about an all out ban, but using them in countries that we have not declared war on is un-American. Also, until they greatly improve their accuracy I do not like them being used in urban areas at all. Far too many cases of collateral damage which only creates more terrorists.

89Hen wrote:•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

No reason to have 140 bases abroad in the first place, much less that many to close.