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Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:21 am
by DSUrocks07
The "Great Uniter" indeed:
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/new ... Attitudes/
Racial attitudes have not improved in the four years since the United States elected its first black president, an Associated Press poll finds, as a slight majority of Americans now express prejudice toward blacks whether they recognize those feelings or not.
Those views could cost President Barack Obama votes as he tries for re-election, the survey found, though the effects are mitigated by some people's more favorable views of blacks.
Racial prejudice has increased slightly since 2008 whether those feelings were measured using questions that explicitly asked respondents about racist attitudes, or through an experimental test that measured implicit views toward race without asking questions about that topic directly.
In all, 51 percent of Americans now express explicit anti-black attitudes, compared with 48 percent in a similar 2008 survey. When measured by an implicit racial attitudes test, the number of Americans with anti-black sentiments jumped to 56 percent, up from 49 percent during the last presidential election. In both tests, the share of Americans expressing pro-black attitudes fell.
"As much as we'd hope the impact of race would decline over time ... it appears the impact of anti-black sentiment on voting is about the same as it was four years ago," said Jon Krosnick, a Stanford University professor who worked with AP to develop the survey.
Most Americans expressed anti-Hispanic sentiments, too. In an AP survey done in 2011, 52 percent of non-Hispanic whites expressed anti-Hispanic attitudes. That figure rose to 57 percent in the implicit test. The survey on Hispanics had no past data for comparison.
The AP surveys were conducted with researchers from Stanford University, the University of Michigan and NORC at the University of Chicago.
Experts on race said they were not surprised by the findings.
"We have this false idea that there is uniformity in progress and that things change in one big step. That is not the way history has worked," said Jelani Cobb, professor of history and director of the Institute for African-American Studies at the University of Connecticut. "When we've seen progress, we've also seen backlash."
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:46 am
by Grizalltheway
Thanks, conks.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:19 am
by Chizzang
Who cares about "race relations"
It's not something that can be controlled and governed - nor should it be
My reaction to this is "so what?"
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:45 am
by CitadelGrad
If race relations are worse, you can thank Obama for it.
I agree with Cleets, though. Who really cares?
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:42 pm
by Baldy
Grizalltheway wrote:Thanks, conks.
Funny you say that since the Donks have turned racism into a big money making business.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:46 pm
by Grizalltheway
Baldy wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:Thanks, conks.
Funny you say that since the Donks have turned racism into a big money making business.
Funny, but not really surprising, that you took the bait.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:07 pm
by Baldy
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:52 pm
by JohnStOnge
Grizalltheway wrote:Thanks, conks.
I think there's an implied premise that the sentiments are unjustified and the implied premise may be false.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:57 pm
by JohnStOnge
Just read the entire article. What a bunch of crap.
Sometimes I think we need to purge our universities. I know that would be wrong. But, seriously, our universities have become a bastion for a bunch of highly intelligent idiots.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:25 pm
by death dealer
"...whether they recognize those feelings or not."
kinda reminds me of that scene from the Holy Grail where the old man says he's not dead yet, and the other guy says something like, "yes you are, you just don't know it yet." think maybe the guys doing these studies have an agenda? You bet your mommas sweet ass they do. I wonder if they even know?
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:35 am
by BlueHen86
If Obama loses next week it's not because we've become more racist in the last four years, it's because people aren't happy with the job he's done so far.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:36 am
by BlueHen86
death dealer wrote:"...whether they recognize those feelings or not."
kinda reminds me of that scene from the Holy Grail where the old man says he's not dead yet, and the other guy says something like, "yes you are, you just don't know it yet."
think maybe the guys doing these studies have an agenda? You bet your mommas sweet ass they do.
I wonder if they even know?
So what you are saying is, they have an agenda...whether they recognize those feelings or not.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:42 am
by Chizzang
BlueHen86 wrote:death dealer wrote:"...whether they recognize those feelings or not."
kinda reminds me of that scene from the Holy Grail where the old man says he's not dead yet, and the other guy says something like, "yes you are, you just don't know it yet."
think maybe the guys doing these studies have an agenda? You bet your mommas sweet ass they do.
I wonder if they even know?
So what you are saying is, they have an agenda...whether they recognize those feelings or not.
People always have an "agenda" and mostly don't know it
or would like to think they don't have an agenda
We're humans and we rarely examine our motives - literally stop - and examine what each action we perform has behind it... what are the desired outcomes (the motive and expectation) from every action
When I examine my motives my behavior changes dramatically
and I stop being as ass hole (for 3 minutes)
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:20 am
by death dealer
BlueHen86 wrote:death dealer wrote:"...whether they recognize those feelings or not."
kinda reminds me of that scene from the Holy Grail where the old man says he's not dead yet, and the other guy says something like, "yes you are, you just don't know it yet."
think maybe the guys doing these studies have an agenda? You bet your mommas sweet ass they do.
I wonder if they even know?
So what you are saying is, they have an agenda...whether they recognize those feelings or not.
Thus the rolling eyes.
But, I have no doubt they knew exactly what their motive was. And their results were exactly what they already knew they'd be. Amazing how often it works that way.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:59 am
by Pwns
It's social SCIENCE. And we would be backwards philistines if we were to question SCIENCE.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:35 pm
by ASUG8
Obama has been one of the biggest segregationists in my lifetime trying to polarize the haves with have nots. Like it or not, he's running on class warfare with a distinct racial element to it.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:45 pm
by Chizzang
Pwns wrote:It's social SCIENCE. And we would be backwards philistines if we were to question SCIENCE.
Social Science is NOT science
and dinosaurs were not around at the same time as humans
Just an FYI for you
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:42 pm
by Pwns
Chizzang wrote:Pwns wrote:It's social SCIENCE. And we would be backwards philistines if we were to question SCIENCE.
Social Science is NOT science
and dinosaurs were not around at the same time as humans
Just an FYI for you
I agree on both points, Chizmo. But the social scientists would just do the exact same thing the global warming folks will do will just claim anyone who questions their methods just don't understand what they do.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:58 pm
by BlueHen86
Pwns wrote:Chizzang wrote:
Social Science is NOT science
and dinosaurs were not around at the same time as humans
Just an FYI for you
I agree on both points, Chizmo. But the social scientists would just do the exact same thing the global warming folks will do will just claim anyone who questions their methods just don't understand what they do.
How the heck do we get from race relations to global warming? Are you suggesting that the cooling of race relations if proof that there is no global warming?
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:49 pm
by Chizzang
Pwns wrote:Chizzang wrote:
Social Science is NOT science
and dinosaurs were not around at the same time as humans
Just an FYI for you
I agree on both points, Chizmo. But the social scientists would just do the exact same thing the global warming folks will do will just claim anyone who questions their methods just don't understand what they do.
Global Climate change is real...
Man made is the only question - no one questions the global climate shifts other than lunatic fringe and the wildly uninformed or stupid
But any scientists saying global climate change is MAN MADE
is at the very least exaggerating marginal evidence
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:14 pm
by Ivytalk
Grizalltheway wrote:Thanks, conks.
I blame your black girlfriend.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:21 pm
by Grizalltheway
Ivytalk wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:Thanks, conks.
I blame your black girlfriend.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:30 pm
by 89Hen
BlueHen86 wrote:If Obama loses next week it's not because we've become more racist in the last four years, it's because people aren't happy with the job he's done so far.
That's not true. Anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist.
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:27 pm
by TheDancinMonarch
89Hen wrote:BlueHen86 wrote:If Obama loses next week it's not because we've become more racist in the last four years, it's because people aren't happy with the job he's done so far.
That's not true. Anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist.
What about those who voted for him in 2008 and will vote against him now? Are they racists now? And if they are now racists, why the change?
Re: Race relations sour in US
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:11 am
by kalm
TheDancinMonarch wrote:89Hen wrote:
That's not true. Anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist.
What about those who voted for him in 2008 and will vote against him now? Are they racists now? And if they are now racists, why the change?
