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If the election were today & it played out like expected (see the link), Romney & Ryan would fall just short.

Ironically, the difference would be if either of them could carry their home state they'd win.

Somehow I think that should almost be mandatory - you can't win a presidential election unless those people that know you best - your home state - vote you in the majority.

I don't know the answer but that'd be a good trivia question - who was the last President elected that didn't carry his home state??

Answering my own question - it's never been done. Actually, no one has ever become President by losing both their Birth state & their Home state. In this case, Romney will try to be the first as neither Michigan nor Massachusetts look to be in play.

bluehenbillk wrote:Answering my own question - it's never been done. Actually, no one has ever become President by losing both their Birth state & their Home state. In this case, Romney will try to be the first as neither Michigan nor Massachusetts look to be in play.

Answer is: AL GORE

Al Gore lost - that's correct. But I was asking has anyone ever WON and still lost their home state(s). After looking it up the answer is no. Carter I'm sure lost Georgia probably in '80.

bluehenbillk wrote:Somehow I think that should almost be mandatory - you can't win a presidential election unless those people that know you best - your home state - vote you in the majority.

I think you're being facetious... at least I hope so.

bluehenbillk wrote:Al Gore lost - that's correct. But I was asking has anyone ever WON and still lost their home state(s). After looking it up the answer is no. Carter I'm sure lost Georgia probably in '80.

Carter won GA in 1980, along with RI, MN, MD, DC, WV and HI.

Speaking of home state. In 1992 Arkansas was the only state in which Clinton topped 50%.

89Hen wrote:

bluehenbillk wrote:Al Gore lost - that's correct. But I was asking has anyone ever WON and still lost their home state(s). After looking it up the answer is no. Carter I'm sure lost Georgia probably in '80.

Carter won GA in 1980, along with RI, MN, MD, DC, WV and HI.

King of the dipshits.

CAA Flagship wrote:

89Hen wrote: Carter won GA in 1980, along with RI, MN, MD, DC, WV and HI.

King of the dipshits.

And his successor:

Grizalltheway wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: King of the dipshits.

And his successor:

Barry Sortero will go down as the King of the Dipshits by the time its all said and done. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.

I thougth Reagan succeeded Carter.

89Hen wrote:I thougth Reagan succeeded Carter.

What did I tell you about that thinking business? You're only going to hurt yourself.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:
And his successor:

Barry Sortero will go down as the King of the Dipshits by the time its all said and done. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.

That's Nobel Prize Winning Dipshit to you!

AZGrizFan wrote:

Barry Sortero will go down as the King of the Dipshits by the time its all said and done. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.

I don't think that's how it's spelled... but honestly who knows?

That's the RCP "no toss ups" chart.

Grizalltheway wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote: King of the dipshits.

And his successor:

What if Carter's energy ideas, namely to end our dependence on foreign oil, and 30 years later echoed by GWB, would have actually been embraced at that time, and by Reagan for the next 8 years?

Conks...

I never knew that Kenya had electoral votes. I learn so much from these boards. Thanks!

kalm wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:
And his successor:

What if Carter's energy ideas, namely to end our dependence on foreign oil, and 30 years later echoed by GWB, would have actually been embraced at that time, and by Reagan for the next 8 years?

Conks...

NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.

dbackjon wrote:

kalm wrote:
What if Carter's energy ideas, namely to end our dependence on foreign oil, and 30 years later echoed by GWB, would have actually been embraced at that time, and by Reagan for the next 8 years?

Conks...

NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.

He's also a published bigot.

Gil Dobie wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.

He's also a published bigot.

Link?

If you believe Wikipedia it looks like it's been done once:

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I'll keep looking to see if I can find a source that doesn't have Wikipedia's reputation for potential inaccuracy.

Bush lost Conneticut, his birth state in both elections. Didn't Lincoln lose Kentucky as well? It's happened before.

Ibanez wrote:Bush lost Conneticut, his birth state in both elections. Didn't Lincoln lose Kentucky as well? It's happened before.

Correct, but Bush won his home state of TX. No one has ever been elected President that didn't win either the state in which they were born or live.

dbackjon wrote:NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.

Yeah, that's why he was "labeled" a failure.

89Hen wrote:

dbackjon wrote:NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.

Yeah, that's why he was "labeled" a failure.

And Reagan is still labeled a genius.