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Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:12 am
by AZGrizFan
But he's not increasing the burden on the middle class, right?
Nearly 6 million Americans -- most of them in the middle class -- will face a tax penalty for not carrying medical coverage once President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law is fully in place, congressional budget analysts said Wednesday.
The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises.
The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are significantly higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed.
The earlier estimate found 4 million people would be affected. The difference -- 2 million people-- represents a 50 percent increase.
That's still only a sliver of the population, given that more than 150 million people currently are covered by employer plans. Nonetheless,
in his first campaign for the White House, Obama pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000.
Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z271iyLoiD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hmmmm....mistake? Or pathalogical liar?
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:18 am
by D1B
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:19 am
by AZGrizFan
I report. You decide.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:33 am
by Wedgebuster
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:52 am
by Chizzang
It worked great in Massachusetts when Romney implemented it there - I lived there during the entire process
Romney should be proud of his accomplishments
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:38 am
by Grizalltheway
You realize that people are already getting checks back from their insurance providers, right?
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:23 am
by jmufan
I got one, a whopping 3 dollars.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:29 am
by AZGrizFan
Grizalltheway wrote:You realize that people are already getting checks back from their insurance providers, right?
You do realize that the vast majority of those checks don't go to the "people", don't you?
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:08 am
by Chizzang
From the exact same article AZ is referencing...
"However, the idea for an individual insurance requirement comes from Republican health care plans in the 1990s.
It's also a central element of the 2006 Massachusetts health care law signed by then-GOP Gov. Mitt Romney, now running against Obama and promising to repeal the federal law. The approach seems to have worked well in Massachusetts, with virtually all residents covered and dwindling numbers opting to pay the penalty instead.
Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z277KOHFeB" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:13 am
by D1B
AZ grizfan
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:41 am
by AZGrizFan
Chizzang wrote:From the exact same article AZ is referencing...
"However, the idea for an individual insurance requirement comes from Republican health care plans in the 1990s.
It's also a central element of the 2006 Massachusetts health care law signed by then-GOP Gov. Mitt Romney, now running against Obama and promising to repeal the federal law. The approach seems to have worked well in Massachusetts, with virtually all residents covered and dwindling numbers opting to pay the penalty instead.
Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z277KOHFeB" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
a) so the democrats don't have any original ideas
b) I'm not voting for Romney. What's your point?
c) None of that changes the fact that 6 million people just saw their expenses rise.
You people bitch and moan about a $250-$300 tax increase on people, but have no problem with 6 million people being "penalized" for violating a bullshit requirement. The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:54 am
by 89Hen
Chizzang wrote:From the exact same article AZ is referencing...
"However, the idea for an individual insurance requirement comes from Republican health care plans in the 1990s.
It's also a central element of the 2006 Massachusetts health care law signed by then-GOP Gov. Mitt Romney, now running against Obama and promising to repeal the federal law. The approach seems to have worked well in Massachusetts, with virtually all residents covered and dwindling numbers opting to pay the penalty instead.
Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z277KOHFeB" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So are you for this or against it?
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:03 pm
by Chizzang
89Hen wrote:Chizzang wrote:From the exact same article AZ is referencing...
"However, the idea for an individual insurance requirement comes from Republican health care plans in the 1990s.
It's also a central element of the 2006 Massachusetts health care law signed by then-GOP Gov. Mitt Romney, now running against Obama and promising to repeal the federal law. The approach seems to have worked well in Massachusetts, with virtually all residents covered and dwindling numbers opting to pay the penalty instead.
Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z277KOHFeB" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So are you for this or against it?
Honestly I don't know if I'm for it or against it...
I've lived through it in Massachusetts
The experience was nowhere near as dramatic and emotional as FOX News would like us to believe
It went fairly smooth and actually solved a lot of problems
But I really don't know if our Federal Government is capable of executing what the State of Massachussetts seemed to have no problem with - that's my big issue - I'm fairly certain our Federal Government will screw this up somehow
Today I don't really care one way or the other
I have almost no feeling about it - been there done that - whatever who cares
and if it gets repealed I don't care either - has zero effect on me
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:05 pm
by Tod
AZGrizFan wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:You realize that people are already getting checks back from their insurance providers, right?
You do realize that the vast majority of those checks don't go to the "people", don't you?
The law specifically states that refunds will go to policy holders, not to their employers.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:08 pm
by AZGrizFan
Tod wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
You do realize that the vast majority of those checks don't go to the "people", don't you?
The law specifically states that refunds will go to policy holders, not to their employers.
Not if the policyholder didn't actually pay the premiums.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:13 pm
by 89Hen
Chizzang wrote:89Hen wrote:
So are you for this or against it?
Honestly I don't know if I'm for it or against it...
I've lived through it in Massachusetts
The experience was nowhere near as dramatic and emotional as FOX News would like us to believe
It went fairly smooth and actually solved a lot of problems
But I really don't know if our Federal Government is capable of executing what the State of Massachussetts seemed to have no problem with - that's my big issue - I'm fairly certain our Federal Government will screw this up somehow
Today I don't really care one way or the other
I have almost no feeling about it - been there done that - whatever who cares
and if it gets repealed I don't care either - has zero effect on me
So it could be that Romneycare was a good thing and Obamacare a bad thing. That had to be a hard thing for you to admit.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:17 pm
by Chizzang
89Hen wrote:Chizzang wrote:
Honestly I don't know if I'm for it or against it...
I've lived through it in Massachusetts
The experience was nowhere near as dramatic and emotional as FOX News would like us to believe
It went fairly smooth and actually solved a lot of problems
But I really don't know if our Federal Government is capable of executing what the State of Massachussetts seemed to have no problem with - that's my big issue - I'm fairly certain our Federal Government will screw this up somehow
Today I don't really care one way or the other
I have almost no feeling about it - been there done that - whatever who cares
and if it gets repealed I don't care either - has zero effect on me
So it could be that Romneycare was a good thing and Obamacare a bad thing. That had to be a hard thing for you to admit.
I thought I just did say that..?
Indeed Romney care is working well in Massachusetts
Obama Care might very well NOT work
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:23 pm
by GannonFan
Chizzang wrote:89Hen wrote:
So it could be that Romneycare was a good thing and Obamacare a bad thing. That had to be a hard thing for you to admit.
I thought I just did say that..?
Indeed Romney care is working well in Massachusetts
Obama Care might very well NOT work
Well, Romney care is starting to balloon in terms of costs. It works great in terms of coverage, the kicker, of course, is paying for it. Same will be the case for Obamacare.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:34 pm
by Tod
AZGrizFan wrote:Tod wrote:
The law specifically states that refunds will go to policy holders, not to their employers.
Not if the policyholder didn't actually pay the premiums.
I believe you're wrong.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:28 pm
by 89Hen
Tod wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
Not if the policyholder didn't actually pay the premiums.
I believe you're wrong.
Am I reading that if you didn't pay the premium, you are still entitled to the refund? I find that hard to believe.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:30 pm
by 89Hen
This article would seem to agree with Z...
In St. Louis, Rabbi Randy Fleisher received a $2,808 rebate check earlier this month for his synagogue, which pays 100% of the health insurance premiums for its ten full-time employees.
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/2 ... obamacare/
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:59 pm
by Tod
89Hen wrote:This article would seem to agree with Z...
In St. Louis, Rabbi Randy Fleisher received a $2,808 rebate check earlier this month for his synagogue, which pays 100% of the health insurance premiums for its ten full-time employees.
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/2 ... obamacare/
If your employer pays 100%, then yes, it goes to them. But if the employee has a pay-in, it goes to the employee.
If your employer pays 100%, you've got a great employer!
Call this one a draw.
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:05 pm
by Grizalltheway
AZGrizFan wrote:Tod wrote:
The law specifically states that refunds will go to policy holders, not to their employers.
Not if the policyholder didn't actually pay the premiums.
Umm, are employers covering health insurance for their employees not "people" in your eyes?
If the employees aren't paying for their insurance then they aren't the ones who should be getting the checks, are they?
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:36 am
by blueballs
... but we had to pass it to see what was in it....
Re: Six Million to get hit with Obamacare Penalty
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:15 am
by Gil Dobie
AZGrizFan wrote:Grizalltheway wrote:You realize that people are already getting checks back from their insurance providers, right?
You do realize that the vast majority of those checks don't go to the "people", don't you?
All medical providers that apply the Obamacare measures get around $40,000 back.
